Paranoid Liberals Believe U.S. Service Members are More Dangerous than Illegal Aliens.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

How about we start with the worst of the worst propagandist and liars first, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, NPR…………

In other words, you favor throwing the free speech wing of the Trump base under the bus.

originally posted by: FullHeathen
a reply to: KrustyKrab

How about we start with the worst of the worst propagandist and liars first, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, NPR…………

In other words, you favor throwing the free speech wing of the Trump base under the bus.

You're confusing. Can you clarify and explain in a bit more detail how you are arriving at these conclusions? Maybe some real examples would help.

Of course I'm dangerous, so don't F with me...Kind of simple isn't it. But then there are a lot of people I'm not dangerous around like kids, women etc. With those you need to look at liberals as who we should protect them from.

originally posted by: FullHeathen

In other words, you favor throwing the free speech wing of the Trump base under the bus.

No need to do anything as those news agencies implode. They had a good run though spuing their BS, but even moderate liberals have had enough.

a reply to: xuenchen

I am quite certain that you have read the quote attributed to Voltaire at least 100 times even on ATS:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

It's a favorite of people who claim to be free speech absolutists, who love the 1st Amendment. Elon Musk claims to be such a person. He was even doing a $1,000,000 sweepstakes for signatures on a petition. He bought Twitter "to end the violation of free speech".

Now what? That's all gone because the left leaning media must be silenced or repeat only Presidentially approved material?

Here's a blast from the past: Corey Lewandowski: "I have no obligation to be honest with the media"

a reply to: Xtrozero

They had a good run though spuing their BS, but even moderate liberals have had enough.

I saw a funny political cartoon a few days ago:

Major media representatives lined up to donate $1,000,000 each to the Trump inauguration. So goes the so-called 4th Estate.

originally posted by: FullHeathen
I saw a funny political cartoon a few days ago:

Major media representatives lined up to donate $1,000,000 each to the Trump inauguration. So goes the so-called 4th Estate.

Compare it to 2016 when it was fashionable to hate Trump and oh boy did they. Today so many of these Trump haters from 2016 are willing to prostitute themselves to say they changed, and they really haven't since they are just whores to whatever is popular.

originally posted by: Athetos
I guess if the article casually omits the ENTIRE influence of cartels importing and dealing drugs killing thousands upon thousands of Americans(and people all over the globe) every single day to the tune over 250,000 deaths just from 2018 to now.


I guess if they omit all of that it may be true.

a reply to: WeMustCare

Top media Liberals have tunnel vision. They can't form a "big picture" in their mind. If they hear of a boat hitting a bridge and killing 20 people in cars, they will think driving across bridges is the biggest threat to vehicle passengers.

originally posted by: FullHeathen
a reply to: WeMustCare

So where does this liberal news leader get his information from? Lawrence O'Donnell should know that, with major landscape changes coming, his days as an anchor at MSNBC will be shortened, if he is fabricating and disseminating lies.

Um, Timothy McVeigh? "The bombing itself killed 167 people, including 19 children, injured 684, and destroyed one-third of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. A rescue worker was killed after the bombing when debris struck his head, bringing the total to 168 killed. It remains the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in U.S. history." - wikipedia: Timothy_McVeigh.

And the Las Vegas Trump Tower bomber was active duty U.S. Special Forces, on leave from Germany.

Fox News put out the erroneous word that the truck came through Eagle Pass 2 days earlier, thus sparking Trump and MTG to immediately blame immigrants. Trump falsely links New Orleans terror attack to migrants after erroneous Fox News report

Can't wait for Trump to take down the blatant liars at Fox. Oh wait, that's where he gets his cabinet picks from. Never mind.

How many Americans have been killed by illegal aliens since Timothy McVeigh murdered 168 Americans in 1995? Probably 100 times that number...by outright murder and drunk driving.

a reply to: WeMustCare

How many Americans have been killed by illegal aliens since Timothy McVeigh murdered 168 Americans in 1995? Probably 100 times that number...by outright murder and drunk driving.

That's not really what is being compared by Lawrence O'Donnell.

Here's the issue:

Army veteran and antiwar organizer Mike Prysner says “military service is now the number one predictor of becoming what is called a mass casualty offender, surpassing even mental health issues.”
New Year’s Attacks by Green Beret & Army Veteran: Does U.S. Militarism Abroad Fuel Violence at Home?

Study by University of Maryland June 2023

The results of a multivariate analysis reveal that having a U.S. military
background is the single strongest individual-level predictor of
whether a subject in the PIRUS data is classified as a mass casualty
offender. Of the 451 subjects with military backgrounds in PIRUS who
committed extremist crimes from 1990-2022, 170 (37.7%) are
classified as mass casualty offenders. 1
A record of military service is more reliable for classifying mass
casualty offenders in PIRUS than factors that are more commonly
discussed in the literature on mass casualty crimes, such as mental
health concerns, offending alone or in a small group, and having a
pre-radicalization criminal history.
Profiles of Individual Radicalization in the United States (PIRUS)
Mass Casualty Extremist Offenders with U.S. Military Backgrounds

I remember all through the '80s, every mass shooting event turned out to be a Viet Nam vet. That started being eclipsed in 1986 when "going postal" (disgruntled employees and former employees killing co-workers) became a thing.

I don't know about you, but I can't recall an instance of an undocumented immigrant doing a terrorist act or mass casualty shooting. Check for yourself. List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

a reply to: FullHeathen

One flaw in your analysis of soldiers being high risk level. Did we not have gangs sending their people off to the military to learn the big boy skills? Let's also add in that Islam allows lying to "unbeliever's", so oaths that military personal take are just lip service to them! Studies like you quoted tend to be rather broad. Quoting the FBI here, there is no evidence of this being military personal going off the reservation so to speak. Otherwise unwelcome questions will need to be asked. Like why did the two of them have so many common traits? I mean if we want to go with things these two guys have in common, let's do it full bore. Being in the military is not all they had in common.

we have 22+ million vets in this country, if we were half the danger that the left likes to pretend, there would be no discussion it would be blindingly obvious.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
we have 22+ million vets in this country, if we were half the danger that the left likes to pretend, there would be no discussion it would be blindingly obvious.

It's kind of like the liberal constant messaging that White extremists are the biggest threat to America. One behind every tree kind of thing...

What about people with other nationalities trying to get citizenship through serving?

Naturalization Through Military Service

If you are serving or have served in the U.S. armed forces and are interested in becoming a U.S. citizen, you may be eligible to apply for naturalization under special provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

www.uscis.gov...#:~:text=If%20you%20served%20honorably%20in,not%20apply%20or%20are%20reduced.

originally posted by: FullHeathen


I don't know about you, but I can't recall an instance of an undocumented immigrant doing a terrorist act or mass casualty shooting.

By ignoring drug cartels and gang violence…..

I have to repeat myself again "War and war situations Like seeing your friend being killed/ human body parts lying around, DO NOT lead to killing off the battlefield". Proof. Please look at all the hundreds of thousands returning from WW2, there was not any killing sprees from them. Now look at the millions that have served or still serving and then quote the singular incidents, I would hazard a guess that it actually should be higher but not because they served but because it's a massive demographic to choose from.

a reply to: crayzeed

Part of the lead up to WWII and the appeasement of Hitler was being disillusioned about war and watching almost a whole generation of men killed in to extinction because of WW I.

According to the granddad of my ex wife, being he pasted on, the reason so little military equipment survived today from WWII was no desire to save the equipment. People wanted to go back to being civilians, and didn’t want remembrances of the war lying around.

a reply to: BeyondKnowledge3

This is a list of wars ordered chronologically by the year that hostilities were initiated. (See also war; law of war; military technology; collective violence.)

1300–1200 bce
Trojan War (dates uncertain)
1200–1100 bce
Trojan War (dates uncertain)
800–700 bce
First Messenian War (c. 735–715 bce)
Lelantine War (c. 720–680 bce; dates uncertain)
700–600 bce
Lelantine War (c.720–680 bce; dates uncertain)
Second Messenian War (c. 660 bce)
500–400 bce
Greco-Persian Wars (492–449 bce)
Peloponnesian War (431–404 bce)
400–300 bce
Lamian War (323–322 bce)
300–200 bce
First Punic War (264–241 bce)
Second Punic War (218–201 bce)
200–100 bce
Third Punic War (149–146 bce)
100 bce–100 ce
Gallic Wars (58–50 bce)
600–700
Jinshin-no-ran (672)
1000–1300
Norman Conquest (1066)
Crusades (1095–1291; sporadically thereafter)
Gempei War (1180–85)
Barons’ War (1264–67)
1300–1400
Hundred Years’ War (c. 1337–1453)
War of the Eight Saints (1375–78)
1400–1500
Hundred Years’ War (c. 1337–1453)
Thirteen Years’ War (1454–66)
Wars of the Roses (1455–85)
Ōnin War (1467–77)
1500–1600
Count’s War (1534–36)
Araucanian Wars (1541–58)
Livonian War (1558–83)
Eighty Years’ War (1568–1648)
War of the Three Henrys (1587–89)
1600–1700
Eighty Years’ War (1568–1648)
Kalmar War (1611–13)
Thirty Years’ War (1618–48)
Powhatan War (1622–44)
Bishops’ Wars (1639; 1640)
English Civil Wars (1642–51)
First Northern War (1655–60)
War of Devolution (1667–68)
King Philip’s War (1675–76)
War of the Grand Alliance (1689–97)
King William’s War (1689–97)
1700–1800
Second Northern War (1700–21)
War of the Spanish Succession (1701–14)
War of the Emboabas (1708–09)
Carnatic Wars (1746–48; 1749–54; 1758–63)
Queen Anne’s War (1702–13)
Yamasee War (1715–16)
War of the Polish Succession (1733–38)
War of Jenkins’ Ear (1739–48)
War of the Austrian Succession (1740–48)
King George’s War (1744–48)
French and Indian War (1754–63)
Silesian Wars (1740–42; 1744–45; 1756–62)
Seven Years’ War (1756–63)
Lord Dunmore’s War (1774)
Rohilla War (1774)
American Revolution (1775–83)
First Maratha War (1775–82)
War of the Bavarian Succession (1778–79)
Cape Frontier Wars (1779–1879)
French Revolution (1787–99)
French revolutionary wars (1792–1801)
1800–1900
Cape Frontier Wars (1779–1879)
French revolutionary wars (1792–1801)
War of the Oranges (1801)
Tripolitan War (1801–05)
Second Maratha War (1803–05)
Third Maratha War (1817–18)
Napoleonic Wars (1803–15)
Black War (1804–30)
Peninsular War (1808–14)
War of 1812 (1812–15)
Creek War (1813–14)
War of Greek Independence (1821–32)
Padri War (1821–37)
Naning War (1831–32)
Pastry War (1838–39)
Mexican-American War (1846–48)
Crimean War (1853–56)
Bleeding Kansas (1854–59)
American Civil War (1861–65)
War of the Triple Alliance (1864/65–70)
Seven Weeks’ War (1866)
Selangor Civil War (1867–73)
Franco-German War (1870–71)
Acehnese War (1873–1904)
Red River Indian War (1874–75)
Serbo-Turkish War (1876–78)
Anglo-Zulu War (1879)
War of the Pacific (1879–83)
Gun War (1880–81)
Sino-French War (1883–85)
Serbo-Bulgarian War (1885–86)
Sino-Japanese War (1894–95)
Spanish-American War (1898)
Philippine-American War (1899–1902)
South African War (1899–1902)
The War of a Thousand Days (1899–1903)
1900–2000
Acehnese War (1873–1904)
Philippine-American War (1899–1902)
South African War (1899–1902)
The War of a Thousand Days (1899–1903)
Boxer Rebellion (1900–01)
Moro Wars (1901–13)
Russo-Japanese War (1904–05)
Pig War (1906–09)
Mexican Revolution (1910–20)
Italo-Turkish War (1911–12)
World War I (1914–18)
Baltic War of Liberation (1918–20)
Russian Civil War (1918–20)
Russo-Polish War (1919–20)
Rif War (1921–26)
Chaco War (1932–35)
Italo-Ethiopian War (1935–36)
Spanish Civil War (1936–39)
Sino-Japanese War (1937–45)
Phony War (1939–40; no actual hostilities)
Russo-Finnish War (1939–40)
World War II (1939–45)
Greek Civil War (1944–45; 1946–49)
Arab-Israeli wars (1948–49; 1956; 1967; 1973; 1982)
Korean War (1950–53)
Algerian War (1954–62)
Vietnam War (1954–75)
Six-Day War (1967)
War of Attrition (1969–70)
Yom Kippur War (1973)
Dirty War (1976–83)
Afghan War (1978–92)
Iran-Iraq War (1980–88)
Falkland Islands War (1982)
Persian Gulf War (1990–91)
Bosnian conflict (1992–95)
Kosovo conflict (1998–99)
2000–
Afghanistan War (2001–14)
Iraq War (2003–11)
Syrian Civil War (2012–)

There have been billions killed throughout history in wars, conquests, rebellions, coups etc. And this doesn't even include Black Friday events.

People are killers, there's no doubt. Soldiers are trained killers. They mostly kill each other. I would trust my life with a soldier any day of the week.

I Suppose He Forgot about 9/11.
a reply to: WeMustCare

Waco , Ruby Ridge, etc theres a Long List of People to be Afraid of and Most are Government .
ATF FBI Lots more not Normal Veterans of the US Military.
US Soldiers Seems to be Only the Ones that are Muslim Thinking.
you only have to look as far as the Biden / Harris Admin to see the real Threat
to the People of the USA.
Our Government needs to Stop Kicking Cans Around and Actually do Something
about the Terror Threat's in our Country.
Too many Heads in the Sand.

a reply to: WeMustCare