Plane Crash in South Korea

a reply to: RazorV66

Suddenly we have three plane crashes. Somethings up with that amigos.

Fake alien invasion
Ninety seconds to midnight on the atomic clock
The economy about to collapse
Brand new pandemic being rolled out with threats and hyperbole
All with the globalists drones flying around all after Trumps election?
I'll be looking for more planes going down because I believe the
drones are weapons and they're about to engage.

Fear is the objective as always.

a reply to: Astrocometus

What are "globalists drones"?

The Azerbaijan plane was shot down by mistake by Russian air defence, looks like the SK one was reported by the pilot as a bird strike.

As for fear, you seem to be pushing it yourself!

a reply to: Astrocometus

Fear is a control construct which is also part of the human condition, nothing new on that score, and business as usual.

As to a "fake alien invasion", when did that happen?

All i saw was some mad hysteria over drones.

Which hardly constitutes much.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

What are "globalists drones"?

You are aware of very powerful people like Klaus Schwab George Soros etc.
Right? Surely you are aware of their globalist agenda in your face right?
I can't imagine as member of this sight you have no idea there are drones
flying around US airspace and our military is not engaging in our defense
at all. You should be able to surmise logically that if they were of unkown
origin our military wouldn't be standing down I hope. As I said they are
weapons. And our gov.s knows exactly who and where they come from.

Unless I miss my guess planes will keep going down and you can continue
to believe whatever you're told without considering the timing and the
reality of what we are facing. But Bear in mind the FICTIONAL Martian
invasion in Orson Welles's 1938 radio play The War of the Worlds took
place in Grovers Mill, New Jersey.

So you asked me a question our own gov. claims it doesn't know. I did
my best considering. You don't seem to realize your own gov. has
declared war on you. I can only question the plane crashes for now.

A whole lot of sketchy and erroneous information being reported about this crash. I suspect there are lots of deflections and obfuscations going on also.

After trying to piece together some sensible sequence of events based on fragments so far, here are a couple interesting things which don't seem to be being clearly reported.

1. It's beginning to look like JJA 2216 may have had two (2) go-arounds, not one as earlier reported. The first landing attempt was to the north on Runway 01. This landing was aborted and a go-around was initiated. The reason for the abort seems to be reports of birds in the area of the runway.

2. The second landing attempt was to the south (which is very odd) on RWY 19 (same pavement, just opposite direction). This 2nd landing attempt was also aborted. Details get sketchy right here, but it sounds as though the reason this 2nd attempt was aborted was due to a "birdstrike" reported by the pilots of JJA2216. The aircraft then banked left, made a 360 degree turn and attempted to make a 3rd approach to RWY 19. It was on this 3rd attempt where the crash occurred.

3. There are pictures from a nearby hangar which show what appears to be a compressor stall on the #1 engine (right). This would support the theory of a birdstrike (no birds are evident in that video, but it's not a great video so they might have been missed).

4. Prior to the first landing, JJA2216 was aligned for a straight-in approach to RWY 01 with a reported airspeed of 150 kts at an altitude of 500 feet. This would have only been possible if the flaps were already down, and the landing gear was also down. Minimum stall speed of a 737-800 with no flaps is 200 kts. JJA2216 was 50 kts below this speed on their initial approach, thus below their flaps up stall speed.

5. There does not appear to be any data indicating airspeed, altitude or direction after the above report. However, they were cleared for landing in the opposite direction (RWY 19). This was before the pilots reported the birdstrike. This is important because it means they had already turned 180 degrees and were returning to the same runway in the opposite direction. As noted previously, this is known as the "impossible turn" in aviation. It would never be given as an instruction by ATC in any situation other than a dire emergency, and even then only as a last ditch "Any runway" clearance by ATC. BUT...the birdstrike hadn't happened yet. So, what was the situation which caused this?

6. While there is no flightradar data for the 2nd and 3rd landing attempts, you can clearly see several things in the video of the crash. First, you can clearly see there are no flaps deployed. So, given they were deployed at one point previous to this, it means they must have been retracted prior to the 2nd approach. This would make sense for a full go-around procedure but that would have put them landing to the north again (not to the south). In a catastrophic emergency the pilots would not retract the flaps if they were going to attempt an impossible turn return to the airfield; they'd leave them down for the added lift needed to make the turn and prevent a stall.

Second, from the video, you can also see not only did they not have the flaps down, but they were also traveling at a very high rate of speed (above 200 kts), and you can see they touched down on the engine nacelles well down the runway, like at the midway point. The late touchdown would be explained by them being too high after they made the 180 turn to return in the opposite direction, and zero degree flaps would explain the excessive speed. BUT, why would they retract the flaps in such a scenario. It makes no sense. In other words...retract the flaps = full go-around, and anything else = full crisis, massive failures and imminent crash likely with a 180 return (impossible turn). But again, remember, all of this was going on before the birdstrike was reported.

Now, it could be there was a delay in reporting the birdstrike..."Aviate, Navigate, then Communicate". However, how then did they get ATC to clear them in the opposite direction without declaring something like an emergency. Again, it makes no sense.

a reply to: Astrocometus

Okay.

If all the Aliens have is unarmed drones with navigation lights, my fear factor is low.

What this has to do with Orson Wells War of the Worlds, I don't know.

Any evidence that Alien drones caused these crashes?

It's hardly Independence Day, is it?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

In relation to your remarkable analysis I wonder at where in
all that was going on did the one of two survivors see smoke
coming from that engine. Some excellent work there Clay.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Hey skepticism is always healthy. Til it isn't.

a reply to: Astrocometus

Despite all the seeming oddities of the aircraft and crew in the approach, the ultimate cause of the disaster was the concrete and earthen barrier upon which the localizer was mounted. This one thing was the cause of the massive and instantaneous destruction of the aircraft. Had it not been for that, the aircraft would have skidded to a stop and many lives would have been saved.

The actions of the pilots and aircraft, while seemingly odd and unexplainable, were not the largest factor in the massive destruction of the aircraft and loss of life...the airport design was.

The failure of the facility to have an ICAO standard Obstacle Free Zone (OFZ), in my opinion, is grounds for a criminal investigation! That localizer construction absolutely should NOT have been permitted like that, and those who allowed it are directly responsible for the massive death toll of JJA2216.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Astrocometus

Okay.

If all the Aliens have is unarmed drones with navigation lights, my fear factor is low.

What this has to do with Orson Wells War of the Worlds, I don't know.

Any evidence that Alien drones caused these crashes?

It's hardly Independence Day, is it?

I appreciate the aliens FAA compliance.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Those pilots should have schools and libraries named after them.
Because heros they are even tho as Lightfoot said.

"Heros often fail" God love em.

a reply to: Astrocometus

I'm not sure I'd go that far. At least not yet anyway. Remember, the plane wouldn't have crashed into the berm if it had landed safely.

So, there's that.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I would say no matter what three attempts at landing are indicative
of the concern for and pursuit of safety. Also it sounds to me like they
were some how left with no choice on the third go around. They fought
as hard as they could in my view.