Plane Crash in South Korea

Just saw this......

737-800 crash on landing

181 aboard, some sources are saying all dead except 2.

Lookner is on it.

a reply to: RazorV66

Another "bird strike" suspected. Birds sucked in as the plane was landing, causing the steering to malfunction.

From South Korea News: www.scmp.com...

It is a terrifying crash. Once again, a miracle that anyone survived.

They had to do a wheels-up landing, and the jet slid off the end of the runway straight into an embankment or barrier. The impact caused a huge explosion.

Another tragedy.

originally posted by: Springbok
It is a terrifying crash. Once again, a miracle that anyone survived.

They had to do a wheels-up landing, and the jet slid off the end of the runway straight into an embankment or barrier. The impact caused a huge explosion.

Another tragedy.

When I worked at United Airlines, one of our software programs was designed to calculate the amount of fuel a passenger plane would receive so it would be almost empty when it landed at the airport. (It was a money saving thing) Maybe airlines don't do that anymore, which is why this plane had so much fuel onboard when it landed.

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Springbok
It is a terrifying crash. Once again, a miracle that anyone survived.

They had to do a wheels-up landing, and the jet slid off the end of the runway straight into an embankment or barrier. The impact caused a huge explosion.

Another tragedy.

When I worked at United Airlines, one of our software programs was designed to calculate the amount of fuel a passenger plane would receive so it would be almost empty when it landed at the airport. (It was a money saving thing) Maybe airlines don't do that anymore, which is why this plane had so much fuel onboard when it landed.

Usually they do a fuel dump before emergency landings, but perhaps there wasn't enough height or time to do so.

I am not an aviation expert, but perhaps someone with more knowledge can confirm.

Good analysis here:

a reply to: RazorV66

The landing gear failed and the vehicle slid into a concrete wall doing what looked to be 50-100mph and burst into flames.

By the looks of it they are still scouring the wreckage for possible survivors.

But i would not hold out much hope.

RIP to the poor sods that perished.

a reply to: Springbok

It was the winds of war that created such a robust 38th parallel.

Who the hell thinks putting a concrete wall at the end of a runway is a good idea? Seems like a Darwin move to me.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
Who the hell thinks putting a concrete wall at the end of a runway is a good idea? Seems like a Darwin move to me.

I was thinking the exact same thing just now!

Why didn’t they trouble shoot longer? The landing gear can be manually lowered with the emergency gear handle.

JEEZUS!! Complete and total violation of the Obstacle Free Zone which stipulates any objects within this zone must be 'frangible' in nature (referring to NAVAIDS such as the Localizer (which provides the aircraft with horizontal orientation from the far end of the runway)). What an unnecessary tragedy!

There are also so many other things wrong here, they are almost too many to list...

1. They tried the "Impossible Turn" (a return to a runway you just departed from, but in the opposite direction). Why? Any pilot knows this is suicide more often than not.

2. Regardless of hydraulic system status, the mains and nose gear were not released via emergency override and gravity drop. This makes no sense.

3. No flaps (as noted in the video above). This also makes no sense. Well, it does make sense if you chalk this crash up to gross negligence and pilot error. In a go-around scenario (which this was), the procedure is to go to full power and retract the flaps, and then follow the go-around procedure on the plate. Clearly this wasn't done, because no go-around procedure would advise an 'impossible turn'. Given they tried to return to the same runway, but in the opposite direction, they may have overlooked re-setting the flaps in the compressed time frame. This is a serious CRM error.

4. I'm not sure I agree with the video assessment above regarding reverse thrust. Full reverse thrust on the #1 engine but not the #2 engine would cause the aircraft to yaw almost immediately to the right. There does not appear to be evidence of this. Also, I don't believe the video shows enough of the #2 nacelle to determine whether the thrust reverser was engaged or not.

5. Regardless of the reverse thrust issue, there was no apparent attempt to raise the speed brakes. Now, it's possible the pilots didn't know there was a huge earthen and concrete berm shortly off the end of the runway, and were possibly trying to keep the nose up as long as possible, but when it became clear they were going to overrun the threshold, every and all measures to slow the aircraft should have been implemented immediately.

From all outward appearances, this crash looks to be a case of the flight crew panicking. Bird strikes happen all the time. They're not a desirable thing, but they're also completely survivable if the flight crew keep their cool and follow procedures for an engine-out go-around. You train for this sort of thing, repeatedly. Simulator operators love to throw the bird strike card with a compressor stall late in a takeoff or just before a landing, especially when you're exhausted from flying simulator runs all day. That's when you're at your most vulnerable and most likely to make a mistake.

Also, from the Reddit video, it looks like they had a compressor stall on the #1 (right) engine. If this is what caused the go-around (bird strike or whatever), then why would the thrust reverser be engaged on the right engine and not the left. It would be the other way around.

So many things not adding up here. Were the real pilots even at the controls, or were they incapacitated somehow, and someone else was trying to land? That's just how many things are wrong here! Make you wonder if they were even qualified to fly a 737 at all.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Why is the cockpit of all jetliners not recorded with audio and video at all times?

So many post-incident questions would be answered each time.

a reply to: WeMustCare

In North America, the US in particular, it is prohibited by the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA). The ALPA is the union representing commercial airline pilots.

The timing of this crash is ...interesting.

President Yoon Suk Yeol on Sunday refused for a third time to appear for questioning in the investigation into his botched martial law imposition, raising the likelihood that the investigative body will file a court warrant for his arrest.

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S Korean president accused of ordering use of guns to stop martial law vote

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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: WeMustCare

In North America, the US in particular, it is prohibited by the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA). The ALPA is the union representing commercial airline pilots.

Public safety overrides pilots wanting to sleep, and screw in the cockpit. Every one should have continuous audio/video recording. One day, some of these present-day rules will be viewed by society as completely moronic.

a reply to: WeMustCare

Now saying was medical related, and black box has audio cockpit recording.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: WeMustCare

Now saying was medical related, and black box has audio cockpit recording.

Hopefully all the info is now kept on "the cloud", to avoid the "unsalvageable" and "box was severely damaged" excuses we hear after so many crashes.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: WeMustCare

Now saying was medical related, and black box has audio cockpit recording.

A fellow survivor, a 25-year-old female flight attendant who has only been identified by her last name, Koo, is being treated at Asan Medical Center in eastern Seoul. 

She reportedly said in her initial statements: 'Smoke came out of one of the plane's engines and then it exploded.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

I know her recollection may not be accurate due to being in a PLANE CRASH AND SURVIVING but I do think this statement is interesting.

I know. I know. Dailymail is not a good source hehehehehe.

a reply to: Shoshanna

According to the DM pilot reported a bird strike on approach.