John Titor - No need to worry?

Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
Remember, don't be too quick to accept any evidence, just because it supports your side, becasue when the rug is pulled out from under your feet, you may find yourself with egg on your face. So grow up already.

Check the other thread....
There's over 100 pages of Titorites accepting any evidence. Even though it doesn't support their side.
Good example would be trying to equate tasers to Waco type events.

syrinx high priest
grow up ? last week I was called a jerk, and an ass, apparently by mature adults. philes can't post without a minumum of 3 smilies, so I guess you guys can dish it out, but can't take it.
ext...
no civil war in 2004 +
no monthly waco events +
the polar ice cap IS melting at a faster rate +
the laser picture +
the time machine identified as a radiation detector +
similarities to alas babylon (nebraska capital, florida nukes ) +
2 real scientists weigh in on hoax =

Wow, I never seen anyone bask in the joy of emptiness before. Do you get a pleasant warmth knowing your small Titor list has more than one answer ? It could be divided by suspicion added by your repeated motives that would equal to my three smiles lol..... Hey! the number three is a good sacred number used in Celtic mythology and religion. A pleasant number it is, as well as a beautiful triskel.

Why continue adding me to your post ? Is it because Titor questioned your set of principles or beliefs, or do you desire to believe and attain a certain ineffective goal towards me.

I believe that my mind is more open since reading about Titor, where as your mind never opened up. I have no problem if Titor is proven to be a hoax, where as you have a problem if Titor is not a hoax. No need to worry, Theoretically in some other paralleled worldline you have opposite motives, it would look like this:

syrinx high priesthood
Your the man ? last week I was called a genius, and very creative by colleagues. files can't post without a minumum of -3 tongue smilies, so I guess you guys can dish it out after all, but here is my gig.

civil war in 2004 on worldlines +
monthly waco events on worldlines +
the polar ice cap IS melting at a faster rate +
the laser picture +
the time machine identified as Titors +
Any sci-fi book has similarities to Titor like alas babylon (nebraska capital, florida nukes ) bible +
2 real scientists proved nothing =

enough for most reasonable people.

this is truly a unreflective day. It is never over, but now 25% of the reason I come to ATS is this......maybe I can find JT's corvette and go to 2036 ?

syrinx high priest - No need to worry?

Whatever your irrational motives are they could "possibly" be replaced by another you through a parallel universe. Your consciousness would be the same but your thoughts would be different. Perhaps in the past, some people around you have been replaced by universal travelers or abducted by what would seem to be a time-traveling Doppelganger. You would never know it happened, other than notice a change in manner and thought.

lol Maybe I'm integrated into this world through such a process.

Anyway, this is what happens when you open your mind.

at least I didn't call you a jerk.........LMAO

[edit on 31-1-2006 by XPhiles]

JUST heard on ABC news, a guy who just got back from Iraq was accosted by a police officer, the Police officer told him to get to his feet and put his hands up, and as the guy got to his feet THE POLICE OFFICER SHOT HIM.

FBI is investigating this.
Still, I had to mention it.

Also, in the same ABC news report on the radio, it discussed how military personell being returned from Iraq are being screwed with their pay. Some aren't getting paid at ALL, some are being paid too much and having their pay docked, or are having them reported to Credit Agencies and Collection Agencies... ONE guy was still in a COMA when this happened.

I just thought this was a good place to post this info, as I feel it's relevant to the Titor story.

ok philes

truce

I went over the line a few times, sometimes this place brings out the worst in me. I try not to get personal in these threads, but I feel I deserved the ass and jerk comments

I was wrong to insult you and others personnally

I apologize



I will try to debate this topic in a more cordial manner in the future.

I have no wish to get involved in any of these Titor debates. There is absolutely no way of determining the veracity of Titor's story one way or the other. I just wanted to point out that the new US capitol in "Alas Babylon" is Denver, Colorado not Omaha, Nebraska.

Originally posted by WithinyouWithoutyou
I have no wish to get involved in any of these Titor debates. There is absolutely no way of determining the veracity of Titor's story one way or the other. I just wanted to point out that the new US capitol in "Alas Babylon" is Denver, Colorado not Omaha, Nebraska.

you're right, Omaha is the SAC center location

en.wikipedia.org...

but if you read the synopisi, it does sound familar ?

I have the book, and there are quite a few similarities to Titor's story. It takes place in Florida, Russia and America nuke each other, people must pull together to survive, life is changed forever. Sounds like a senario that would occur just about anywhere after a large nuclear conflict.

There are many differences too; There is no civil conflict, the war is the result of the Cold War going hot. The Russians use massive muti-megaton bombs as opposed to the 100 kiloton range warheads Titor mentioned. Oh and yeah, in Alas Babylon the USA wins and remains a united though devastated nation.

The similarites are interesting and worthy of consideration for anyone interested in this Titor business, but there is simply nothing conclusive, nothing that can be used to explicitly deny Titor's tale.

That is the brilliance/deviousness of Titor's story, no matter what comes to pass, he cannot be debunked simply because multiverse/string theory allows for infinite possibilities. We will never know the truth. Debate on the subject is an excercise in futility if one wishes to prove or disprove Titor. The only thing we can do is discuss the message. Hoax or not, what can we take from this story? what does it and our reactions to it say about us as a society? What truth's may lie in this potentially fictional story?

Originally posted by WithinyouWithoutyou
That is the brilliance/deviousness of Titor's story, no matter what comes to pass, he cannot be debunked simply because multiverse/string theory allows for infinite possibilities.

Not entirely. String theory does not support his theory, but apparently that theory's wrong. His whole basis for the multiple timelines/dimensions comes from a theory spawned off of Heisenburg's Uncertainty Principle that isn't widely accepted. Actually, very few physicists accept it. The theory accepts that Heisenburg is correct in his uncertainty principle, but they didn't want to let go of the idea of a clockwork universe -- one where, if you know all the variables in the big bang, you can predict what television show you're going to watch tonight. Because no one could show Heisenburg to be wrong, including Einstein (who raged against the idea of a non-clockwork universe), a few people decided that for every probability decision that takes place in the universe, the timeline splits.

What is the evidence for this? The assumption that the universe works like clockwork in a totally predictive nature. Who follows this theory? Just about no major physicist anymore; it was popular as quantum physics replaced Newtonian physics.

According to John Titor, however, this struggling and dying theory is the correct one. He is playing his case off of the popular knowledge of theoretical physics. Any hard-core physicist that looks at his "explanations" would (and have) laugh at him. Titor's defense? He's just a shock trooper; he doesn't know the physics (when it gets questionable and doesn't fit with current theories) behind the technology. Talking to Joe Blow off the street, the explanations come more quickly.

The more I read about this guy, his lies, and his attempt to trick a fringe community (conspiracy theorists like ourselves) into thinking that their belief in him just saved the world, the more I'm convinced people believe what he has to say because they want to believe it.

Think about it. We sit here and gripe about everything from George Bush and the NWO to the reptile aliens taking over all the attractive people's bodies. We gripe, we complain, and we gripe some more. When someone in our community tries to actually do something, such as a letter writing campaign, protest, or whatever, the room empties faster than you can say "action".

Then along comes this Titor character who tells everyone that something horrible is going to happen in the world. His story is like something out of a bad sci-fi flick. What can we do about this? How can we stop world war 3? Well, gripe, complain, and gripe some more, and you will save the world! He gave conspiracy theorists victory over a conspiracy that would soon pass, but they had to do absolutely nothing new to attain that victory.

It was a conspiracy theorist's dream come true. Suddenly, complaining about the weather did something about the weather.

That's why I don't think Titor's lies will ever go away, and why people want, so badly, for this to be true, to the point where a rock solid case +1 needs to be presented before Titor's story can even be questioned. If you can't account for every variable, though, it just means you're closed minded and unwilling to accept new ideas.

Originally posted by junglejake

Not entirely. String theory does not support his theory, but apparently that theory's wrong. His whole basis for the multiple timelines/dimensions comes from a theory spawned off of Heisenburg's Uncertainty Principle that isn't widely accepted. Actually, very few physicists accept it. The theory accepts that Heisenburg is correct in his uncertainty principle, but they didn't want to let go of the idea of a clockwork universe -- one where, if you know all the variables in the big bang, you can predict what television show you're going to watch tonight. Because no one could show Heisenburg to be wrong, including Einstein (who raged against the idea of a non-clockwork universe), a few people decided that for every probability decision that takes place in the universe, the timeline splits.

Actually no, String Theory isn't what Titor was citing. Quantum theory IS. String Theory deals only with the physicality of our universe, not with the potentiality of alternate ones. Quantum theory, however, suggests (AND IS SUGGESTING MORE EVERY DAY) that the Multi World Theorem is the correct one. EVERY scientist doesn't discount this, indeed, the scientific field is split down the middle on whether it's correct or not, though it's getting to be harder to argue against as they learn more about the behaviors of the microscopic universe and quantum entanglement.

What is the evidence for this? The assumption that the universe works like clockwork in a totally predictive nature. Who follows this theory? Just about no major physicist anymore; it was popular as quantum physics replaced Newtonian physics.

I don't think you're a physicist, JJ. I also don't think you know what you're talking about in this matter, considering there are quite a few physicists that DO feel the notion of MWT is less than general nonsense.

According to John Titor, however, this struggling and dying theory is the correct one. He is playing his case off of the popular knowledge of theoretical physics. Any hard-core physicist that looks at his "explanations" would (and have) laugh at him. Titor's defense? He's just a shock trooper; he doesn't know the physics (when it gets questionable and doesn't fit with current theories) behind the technology. Talking to Joe Blow off the street, the explanations come more quickly.

Except it isn't a "STRUGGLING AND DYING" theory, it's a scientific field in it's birthing stage. Also, I am fairly certain with just the slightest iota of effort you can goodle more than one physicist who ascribes to the MWT.

The more I read about this guy, his lies, and his attempt to trick a fringe community (conspiracy theorists like ourselves) into thinking that their belief in him just saved the world, the more I'm convinced people believe what he has to say because they want to believe it.

Damn, where do you get off saying he lied and tried to intentionally deceive people? He SPECIFICALLY SAID on numerous occasions that he'd prefer people not to believe him, because if he supplied proof, suddenly you are less interesting to talk to. You become a believer and sold on the idea... and I don't know about you, but I'd prefer not to be worshipped by anyone.

Think about it. We sit here and gripe about everything from George Bush and the NWO to the reptile aliens taking over all the attractive people's bodies. We gripe, we complain, and we gripe some more. When someone in our community tries to actually do something, such as a letter writing campaign, protest, or whatever, the room empties faster than you can say "action".

Wait, when does this happen? I'll sign a disclosure request.

Then along comes this Titor character who tells everyone that something horrible is going to happen in the world. His story is like something out of a bad sci-fi flick. What can we do about this? How can we stop world war 3? Well, gripe, complain, and gripe some more, and you will save the world! He gave conspiracy theorists victory over a conspiracy that would soon pass, but they had to do absolutely nothing new to attain that victory.

something out of a bad sci fi flick... that perfectly describes the manner of Titor's conversational tone, and also that his details for most things were spot on when he described things. Not predictions, things about the 5100, things about quantum theory, amongst other things.

Oh, and when I said perfectly, I meant not at all.

It was a conspiracy theorist's dream come true. Suddenly, complaining about the weather did something about the weather.

Uhm, I don't see what you are talking about here.

That's why I don't think Titor's lies will ever go away, and why people want, so badly, for this to be true, to the point where a rock solid case +1 needs to be presented before Titor's story can even be questioned. If you can't account for every variable, though, it just means you're closed minded and unwilling to accept new ideas.

I would argue that believing him would no more make your life better than any other belief. Possibly worse. Probably worse, at this point. Why so riled, JJ?

I'm still curious about one thing

this question is for the true believers, not the curious or fence sitters

have you purchased any bike tires, moved, or made plans as JT suggested ?

Originally posted by junglejake
According to John Titor, however, this struggling and dying theory is the correct one. He is playing his case off of the popular knowledge of theoretical physics. Any hard-core physicist that looks at his "explanations" would (and have) laugh at him. Titor's defense? He's just a shock trooper; he doesn't know the physics (when it gets questionable and doesn't fit with current theories) behind the technology. Talking to Joe Blow off the street, the explanations come more quickly.

TheCrystalSword is right, its not a "STRUGGLING AND DYING" theory. I don't think a hard-core physicist looking at Titor "explanations" would laugh at his time travel story. (except for Dr.Brown lol) Subsequently Titor's science is based on hard-core theoretical science, the very science used by theoretical physicists. It is molded into the Titor story.

However Michio Kaku has been laughed at by quantum theoretical physicists for his views of strings vibrating in a 10-dimensional hyper space. Not many are laughing at string theory now, because we are awaiting for echoes from the 11th dimension.

The laughing list could go on... Tesla, Einstein, Galileo, ext....... It is funny how the eccentric people come up with this stuff.

Science as of now, is not totally organized to certain methods, it is more of an art form with plenty of contributions. Some consider perfection is art, on the contrary science is not absolute with total assurance from reality, it may never be perfect. We can discreetly say Titor's science is a part of that art from which it came from or depending from which worldline/parallel universe you come from.

In my bathroom, I have a three-part mirror. Of I open both ends to where they're parallel to one another, I have trapped a number of photons. As they're bouncing back and forth between the two mirrors, I move one of the doors in a quick jerk, propelling the photons that strike it a little faster due to the additional force of the moving mirror acting on them. This causes the photons to go faster than the speed of light, going back in time. As a result, the image appearing on the other side appears before that image existed.

Go ahead and mock me for this theory, it will only mean I'm a brilliant as Einstein or Tesla.

Originally posted by XPhiles
TheCrystalSword is right, its not a "STRUGGLING AND DYING" theory. I don't think a hard-core physicist looking at Titor "explanations" would laugh at his time travel story. (except for Dr.Brown lol) Subsequently Titor's science is based on hard-core theoretical science, the very science used by theoretical physicists. It is molded into the Titor story.

Despite what you hear on TV, not many people are buying into this any more. And by people, I mean educated physicists, not just some person on the street. Yes, "hard-core physicists" do laugh at Titor and his ideas... Well, at least the ones in the department I work in do.

"Hard-core theoretical science" Ooooh! Using the big boy terms, are we now? That's a pretty big oxymoron, if you ask me. And what physics isn't "theoretical?" After all, gravity is still a theory, isn't it?

However Michio Kaku has been laughed at by quantum theoretical physicists for his views of strings vibrating in a 10-dimensional hyper space. Not many are laughing at string theory now, because we are awaiting for echoes from the 11th dimension.

Most real physicists don't believe in string theory.

The laughing list could go on... Tesla, Einstein, Galileo, ext....... It is funny how the eccentric people come up with this stuff.

Oh, well in that case! Geez! Don't forget the eccentric, misunderstood genius that is Richard Hoagland!

EDIT: Spelling... Thanks, babe

[edit on 2/2/2006 by cmdrkeenkid]

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid

Despite what you hear on TV, not many people are buying into this any more. And by people, I mean educated physicists, not just some person on the street. Yes, "hard-core physicists" do laugh at Titor and his ideas... Well, at least the ones in the department I work in do.

"Hard-core theoretical science" Ooooh! Using the big boy terms, are we now? That's a pretty big oxymoron, if you ask me. And what physics isn't "theoretical?" After all, gravity is still a theory, isn't it?

Most real physicists don't believe in string theory.

Oh, well in that case! Geez! Don't forget the eccentric, misunderstood genius that is Richard Hoagland!

Oh! lol let me respell that "I don't think all hard-core physicist would laugh at him" I'm a little careless of my text, it's just a message board right ? ....no need for perfection ... is there ?. ,"

What is widely accepted by you is not allway the case for others lol.

After all, gravity is still a theory, isn't it? ......... Everything is theoretical, there you go... a much bigger oxymoron for you

Richard Hoagland! Now that is funny........

Most real physicists don't believe in God.

Originally posted by XPhiles

Most real physicists don't believe in God.

Really? Care to give the names of all physicists and their beliefs?

EDIT: Oh, and you betcha, doll

[edit on 2/2/06/02 by junglejake]

Originally posted by XPhiles
Most real physicists don't believe in God.

Says who? Your beliefs? Something you read, saw, thought once?

Guess who said this: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Guess who said this: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

John Titor!

If it wasn't him, it was at least someone as brilliant or less so.

doesn't it say something about a topic if you have to resort to these theories to support it, when there is a picture in a thread on this board that proves its a hoax ?

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
doesn't it say something about a topic if you have to resort to these theories to support it, when there is a picture in a thread on this board that proves its a hoax ?

John Titor: Hoax

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid

Originally posted by XPhiles
Most real physicists don't believe in God.

Says who? Your beliefs? Something you read, saw, thought once?

Guess who said this: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

I know who said it lol........ But think why has it been said? cause/effect... There is a reason for this saying right....

It only proves the blind exist or is it just theoretical ?

Then again if you don't believe me, just google it yourself.