John Titor - No need to worry?

Ok, then why the breaks in the beam?

Originally posted by junglejake
Ok, then why the breaks in the beam?

Multiple reasons.

1. Poor image quality.
2. Laser is more visible in darker conditions.
3. A camera flash, reflecting off any shiny surfaces on the car may overwhelm the already crap camera.
4. The smoke may be enhancing the portions we can see, causing the portions less easy to see to disappear in the camera flash.
5. Art Bell is operating the laser.
6. Some weird effect of lasers inside a time bubble that we may be unaware of.
7. Somebody should read "Photoshop for Dummies" in order to produce better fake laser pictures.

Okay, a couple of those were tongue in cheek, see if you can pick them out!

Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy

Originally posted by junglejake
Ok, then why the breaks in the beam?

Multiple reasons.

1. Poor image quality.

Ahh, so attempting to prove a new technology was far less important than blowing $50 on a decent camera.

2. Laser is more visible in darker conditions.

Uh...no.

3. A camera flash, reflecting off any shiny surfaces on the car may overwhelm the already crap camera.

causing breaks near the light source. And the flash was used because...They wanted...to...detract from the laser light?

4. The smoke may be enhancing the portions we can see, causing the portions less easy to see to disappear in the camera flash.

I was looking right near the laser pointer, where there's a break. In the smoke. That enhances this visible laser light...That doesn't need additional particles to make it visible...

5. Art Bell is operating the laser.

No clue what you're talking about...Art Bell sends our laser interference patterns?

6. Some weird effect of lasers inside a time bubble that we may be unaware of.

I believe the term is...cop out.

7. Somebody should read "Photoshop for Dummies" in order to produce better fake laser pictures.

Yeah, I didn't, but convinced folks I was dating a french newscaster through the use of a crappy netcamera and some tricks of the trade.

Okay, a couple of those were tongue in cheek, see if you can pick them out!

#2 and #4?

Originally posted by junglejake
Ahh, so attempting to prove a new technology was far less important than blowing $50 on a decent camera.

Errrr... It looked like they were just mucking about to me. Not trying to prove anything in particular. Besides, after a nuclear holocaust I am sure getting a decent camera isn't as simple as walking into the nearest Walmart or whatever.

2. Laser is more visible in darker conditions.

Uh...no.

uh..yes.

And the flash was used because...They wanted...to...detract from the laser light?

No, because in the car.....it.....was.......dark.....!

I believe the term is...cop out.

I believe the term is.....selective ignorance.

: Originally posted by junglejake
You've already explained that there is no smoke outside the car, yet still the laser light is visible. Laser light is not visible unless it is reflecting off of an object.

The photo is faked.

Sometimes being overly opinionated can lead to a "Ouija board" effect. Strong opinions can influence the mind and affect motor behavior, thus leading to knowing what results you want, an example of this would be with your hands on the keyboard typing "The photo is faked".

So I would assume you have brainwashed yourself into thinking there can only be one reason.

howmuchisthedoggy is correct to say Multiple reasons.

I bet Florida's moisture in the air could weigh in on the laser, as well outside the car.

: Originally posted by junglejake
Ok, then why the breaks in the beam?

This photo also shows breaks on the cigar? lol
When the photo is brighten up there is no breaks in the laser nor the cigar.





[edit on 24-1-2006 by XPhiles]

For a quick and easy example of how one simple change in history that no one would notice could change the world...

What if when Julius Caesar or Hitler or (insert world changing military leader here) was young they broke their leg so badly they couldnt enter military service?

They would have never became leaders or at least the leaders they were.. No one would have particularly noticed (some nobody kid got hurt big deal) but how different would that be then Here and Now?

Every event no matter how small will cause chain reactions throughout history.

So IF Titor was real there is absolutley no way he could predict anything that would happen to us. The event of him traveling back in time alone would dramatically change our history and future. Thus the whole topic becomes moot. Wheter Titor was real or fake the only thing we can derive at all from his story is to heed the warnings. Those warnings carry the exact same weight no matter if it was a complete sham.

Stop worrying about if it was real. Start looking at what you can draw and learn from what is said, even in half truths there is much to be learned.

Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
5. Art Bell is operating the laser.

Originally posted by XPhiles
Sometimes being overly opinionated can lead to a "Ouija board" effect. Strong opinions can influence the mind and affect motor behavior, thus leading to knowing what results you want, an example of this would be with your hands on the keyboard typing "The photo is faked".

haha, you guys crack me up! lol

May I recommend we call in the 'experts' with regards to the disputed cigar?

Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
5. Art Bell is operating the laser.

Originally posted by XPhiles
Sometimes being overly opinionated can lead to a "Ouija board" effect. Strong opinions can influence the mind and affect motor behavior, thus leading to knowing what results you want, an example of this would be with your hands on the keyboard typing "The photo is faked".

haha, you guys crack me up! lol

May I recommend we call in the 'experts' with regards to the disputed cigar?

Originally posted by UnExpecte

Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
5. Art Bell is operating the laser.

Originally posted by XPhiles
Sometimes being overly opinionated can lead to a "Ouija board" effect. Strong opinions can influence the mind and affect motor behavior, thus leading to knowing what results you want, an example of this would be with your hands on the keyboard typing "The photo is faked".

haha, you guys crack me up! lol

May I recommend we call in the 'experts' with regards to the disputed cigar?

do you mean monica lewinsky ?

[edit on 24-1-2006 by syrinx high priest]

Originally posted by XPhiles
So I would assume you have brainwashed yourself into thinking there can only be one reason.

howmuchisthedoggy is correct to say Multiple reasons.

Technically, you're right; howmuchisthedoggy is correct to say there are multiple possibilities to this photo. However, am I to understand that we are brainwashing ourselves if we weight the evidence and make assumptions based on the most probable causes?


For example, you're told by a friend that when they woke up in the morning and got out of bed, they fell through the floor. That's all you're presented with, that's all the information you have.

I would assume the floorboards broke, or the floor somehow gave way.

Yet, apparently that is the brainwashed response, and I should try to convince everyone that the floorboards did not, in fact, break, but rather all of the matter in my friend's body perfectly aligned with all the matter in the floor and he passed through it.

Me, I'm going to go with the broken floorboard theory. You can defend the quantum explanation exclusively if you'd like, calling people who believe the floorboards broke brainwashed and biased. Quite frankly, being biased towards reality, in my mind, isn't such a bad thing.

Originally posted by XPhiles
Sometimes being overly opinionated can lead to a "Ouija board" effect. Strong opinions can influence the mind and affect motor behavior, thus leading to knowing what results you want

Just wanted to quote that for posterity's sake and because I really enjoy irony

Really, I'm seeing y'all bend over backwards to defend this guy's claims, going more and more improbable in your explanations and justifications of what he has said, then building more explanations and justifications based on your previous explanations and justifications.

I have an idea. This is one of the world's largest conspiracy sites, and the most down to earth conspiracy site I've seen, meaning a conspiracy needs to be backed by evidence. People who show up, make an outrageous claim then vanish tend to have their posts deleted.

Bring Titor here. The truth fears no questions. If he's legit, he shouldn't have any problem answering skeptic's questions. Plus, by being on ATS, he would have even more visibility due to the XML restructuring of the site causing fantastic google hits.

EDIT: By the way, I'm dating Melissa Theuriau:



[edit on 1/24/06/24 by junglejake]

Originally posted by junglejake
However, am I to understand that we are brainwashing ourselves if we weight the evidence and make assumptions based on the most probable causes?

No.

You are not brainwashed at all. You have your opinion and I have mine and it is interesting to trash things out with someone who has a different opinion to your own. So, I will never accuse of being brainwashed, just because your opinion is different to mine.

For example, you're told by a friend that when they woke up in the morning and got out of bed, they fell through the floor. That's all you're presented with, that's all the information you have.

I feel in the Titor case we have a little bit more information than just one blind statement without any other testimony or evidence to back it up. He fell through the floor, but the floorboards were still intact, hence why this particular topic refuses to die.

Quite frankly, being biased towards reality, in my mind, isn't such a bad thing.

No, it's not, but I hate to keep bringing up your faith, but it is relevant to the point being made here. Both cases depend a whole lot on less than solid evidence, yet you believe one over the other? Where are the floorboards concerning J.C.?

Really, I'm seeing y'all bend over backwards to defend this guy's claims, going more and more improbable in your explanations and justifications of what he has said, then building more explanations and justifications based on your previous explanations and justifications.

Ditto for Christianity here. I don't think there is any evidence against Titor that has convinced me sufficiently enough to doubt what he said. Apart from the "reality" that in our wide universe time-travellers can't exist but omnipotent beings can.

I have an idea. This is one of the world's largest conspiracy sites, and the most down to earth conspiracy site I've seen, meaning a conspiracy needs to be backed by evidence. People who show up, make an outrageous claim then vanish tend to have their posts deleted.

Bring Titor here. The truth fears no questions. If he's legit, he shouldn't have any problem answering skeptic's questions. Plus, by being on ATS, he would have even more visibility due to the XML restructuring of the site causing fantastic google hits.

Bring Jesus and we will have a great discussion with him as well. Unfortunately, Titor has fled the coop and is probably back in his 2036 sinking beers laughing at what a spin he put on those poor fools on that alternative world-line.

ah JT.
Over and over and over.
Yet I still have a doubt. It would never get through my jury.
Beyond a reasonable doubt.
the picture with the bent laser thing is incorect anyways. if time/space was bent, the background would change/be bent as well, it wouldn't look like a bent light.

what song did he sing?



-DT

Originally posted by Derek Trance
the picture with the bent laser thing is incorect anyways. if time/space was bent, the background would change/be bent as well, it wouldn't look like a bent light.

I still fail to see how anyone can make out that whatever outside the car is bent, or whatever. I am pretty sure he said it is dark when you are travelling through time, so if the background outside the car (where the sphere of influence of the time-machine ends) was bending, or whatever, you wouldn't see it anyway. Too much Star Trek being watched. It's just a cheesy TV show guys!

I can't understand why people still continue to parrot the "because the laser picture is wrong" line without really thinking about it. I suppose copping out is easier than dealing with it.

Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
Too much Star Trek being watched. It's just a cheesy TV show guys!

Indeed.

I can't understand why people still continue to parrot the "because the laser picture is wrong" line without really thinking about it. I suppose copping out is easier than dealing with it.

Indeed. After all, Titor's word is golden, and who are we to question his infinite wisdom. If he says it must be true, it is, of course, on the world to prove him wrong, not him to prove himself. He had more important things to do in 2036 then to waste time trying to do exactly what he said he was trying to do. I believe you said it was drinking with buddies and having a good time?

... hence why this particular topic refuses to die.

Great point.

Originally posted by junglejake
Indeed. After all, Titor's word is golden, and who are we to question his infinite wisdom.

Oh drip...drip...drip went the sarcasm!!!!

If he says it must be true, it is, of course, on the world to prove him wrong, not him to prove himself.

The thing is, whether what he said was true or not for the future, doesn't actually matter any more. The game has changed and what we have to figure out what is smelly in the world and how to fix it. If it takes a fake time-traveller or a side-show magician with a God complex to do it, so be it. As long as our minds are open and we are questioning all the time, not dismissing it totally because it doesn't jazz with our "reality" and what we "assume".

He had more important things to do in 2036 then to waste time trying to do exactly what he said he was trying to do.

Huh? Run that by me again!?!

I believe you said it was drinking with buddies and having a good time?

If his story was true, I hope he at least has that small comfort after the trials he has been through!!!

Originally posted by junglejake
Bring Titor here. The truth fears no questions. If he's legit, he shouldn't have any problem answering skeptic's questions. Plus, by being on ATS, he would have even more visibility due to the XML restructuring of the site causing fantastic google hits.

Good Ideal.

Lets bring Titor to trial and see what he has to say on ATS.

ATS : How many times have you time traveled ?
John Titor: None, zero times.
syrinx high priest: (points at calendar) So how is the American Civil War of 2004 going ?
John Titor: (confused look on his face) ?
ATS : Do you own a camera ?
John Titor: Yes I did.
ATS : You did! What kind of camera is it ?
John Titor: It's a SpongeBob SquarePants Camera.
ATS : Do you have your camera now ?
John Titor: No
ATS : What happen to your camera ?
John Titor: My Uncle took it.
junglejake: Where is your Uncle ?
John Titor: Uncle said he is going to a party with his buddies to have a good time.

I'm sure the young 8 year old Titor would be willing to give ATS the truth.



[edit on 25-1-2006 by XPhiles]

Originally posted by XPhiles

Originally posted by junglejake
Bring Titor here. The truth fears no questions. If he's legit, he shouldn't have any problem answering skeptic's questions. Plus, by being on ATS, he would have even more visibility due to the XML restructuring of the site causing fantastic google hits.

Good Ideal.

Lets bring Titor to trial and see what he has to say on ATS.

ATS : How many times have you time traveled ?
John Titor: None, zero times.
syrinx high priest: (points at calendar) So how is the American Civil War of 2004 going ?
John Titor: (confused look on his face) ?
ATS : Do you own a camera ?
John Titor: Yes I did.
ATS : You did! What kind of camera is it ?
John Titor: It's a SpongeBob SquarePants Camera.
ATS : Do you have your camera now ?
John Titor: No
ATS : What happen to your camera ?
John Titor: My Uncle took it.
junglejake: Where is your Uncle ?
John Titor: Uncle said he is going to a party with his buddies to have a good time.

I'm sure the young 8 year old Titor would be willing to give ATS the truth.

[edit on 25-1-2006 by XPhiles]

ATS : How many nukes will Russia lay down on the US?
John Titor: I don't know, but I am now playing on level 5.
syrinx high priest: (points at calendar again) So how is the American Civil War of 2004 going? Any organized groups in combat yet? Any Waco-type events recently?
John Titor: (even more confused look on his face and becoming a bit uncomfortable with these weird questions) ???
ATS : Can we see the videotape of your departure to your worldline?
John Titor: Yes, I'll ask my dad. (asks father what a worldline is)
ATS : So your father taped it?
John Titor: Yes and the Splash Mountain is awesome but Tomorrowland too!
ThatsJustWeird: What are you talking about? You must be joking, right?
John Titor: (very confused and concerned look on his face) No, but can I go back outside now and play some more?



[edit on 26-1-2006 by UnExpecte]

ok ok ok, I guess I made my points ! My poor wife has to deal with me repeating myself.....


ya know, I would love to have been able to chat with JT, there are a couple of questions I would have liked to ask him. They may have been asked, but I would have asked him;

what do you miss most about "civilization" ? pharmacies, hospitals, cars, ?

why do you speak in a dialect strikingly similar to the year 2000 ? Wouldn't you be using slang and references we don't understand ? Like saying to someone form the 70's, I was surfing the web, and I found this cool blog..."


[edit on 26-1-2006 by syrinx high priest]

I have good news! There aren't too many Titors living in the US. 6, in fact. We can just find out which of them has an 8 year old son named John and coach him to say something when he comes back in time. At least on that dimension, then, we wouldn't be having this question. He'll just have to say something personal about all of us skeptics who think he's a fraud.

Here's the link to his parent's phone numbers and addresses:
www.whitepages.com...

ThatsJustWeird: Titor, remember that man that spent the night over your house a few years ago?
Titor: Yeah, a little
TJW: Where is he now?
Titor: My mom said not to tell anyone
TJW: Is your mom here?
Titor: No, but...
TJW: I'll give you a dollar
Titor: Ok. Some men with these white coats on came and took him away
TJW: Do you know where?
Titor: My mom said they took him to the crazy house. My mom said he has special needs.
TJW: *laughs* Yeah, I thought so. Here's your dollar.