School shooting in Madison Wi.

a reply to: TzarChasm

It was proven with Lanza in Newtown. He went to the high school, saw the SRO and went to another place.

There is evil in the world. it is not about guns. If someone wants to kill someone they will.

I have stated many times and have tried local for retired military or LEOs in schools.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: DAVID64

This is sad. And nothing will be done to stop the issue.

The issue of gun violence? What would you tackle first to stop this?

1. Bad homelife (parenting?)
2. drugs (if used)
3. entitlement attitude (from watching mass media the last 15 years)
4. Lack of religion / morals / ethics?
5. satanic influence from music/media/art/social media?
6. outlawing guns for all (including the millions who are responsible, law abiding citizens)? If they do this, then how would they stop the knife killings which would be next?
7. depression, anxiety, mental disorders?
8. potential hate crime mentality?
9. potential jealousy?

a reply to: TruthJava

I would start with 3 and 5.
2 will always be there .
1 and 4 go together...

7,8, and 9 also can be grouped as those people just exist.

But, 1 and 4 not being there influenced by 3 and 5 with the addition to 2 equals....how farked up it is right now.

There are enough laws to control weapon sales but just like illegal drugs if you want it you can find it.

Less people are exposed to guns than years ago. There once was a time when everyone had guns in their homes. I hope we all realize it isn't the guns.

The household gun ownership rate has fallen from an average of 50 percent in the1970s to 49 percent in the 1980s, 43 percent in the 1990s and 35 percent in the 2000s, according to the survey data, analyzed by The New York Times.
In 2012, the share of American households with guns was 34 percent, according to survey results...

www.nytimes.com...

While gun ownership has decreased, mental health issues in the young has exploded. Depression and anxiety are almost common in young people today.

An increase in available drugs, drugs that didn't exist years ago.

The increased use of electronic communication, entertainment and digital media, which btw also affect sleep habits.

Less physical activity and more obesity.

People are raising their children different than they used to. Parents used to push their kids to be better, stronger, faster, more capable; and participate in activities that would help their children to excel . It seems now, parents are only trying to keep their kids safe from harm to the point of eliminating anything 'uncomfortable' in their children's lives. Forcing children to live in 'safe' bubbles with no independent growth, stimulated only by electronic devices and wireless communication for entertainment and pastime activity. It's like there's nowhere to go and young people are imploding.

The denial, by certain groups, to allow study of gun violence. So that we could treat gun violence as a public health issue

gun violence is not a health issue, it is a by product of a real mental health issue/social issue. the gun by it's self won't kill you. taking the gun away won't stop stop someone who really has hit their breaking point and want to kill to ease their pain. if they have come to that point that they want to kill someone and set their mind to it there's a good chance they'll find a way.

calling gun violence a public health issue is the kind of logic that will lead to, knife violence as a public health issue , brick violence as a public health issue , propane tanks violence as a public health issue, car violence as a public health issue , baseball bat violence as a public health issue, monkey wrench violence as a public health issue , or anything that can be used as a weapon as a public health issue.

the real problem is what is causing these peoples mental health issues. it's a safe bet that social media is causing a good deal of it of it in the younger generations, maybe in some of the older ones to.

17 year old female was the shooter. Self Inflicted. Tragic waste all around.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

So then what's your answer here? If it's not about guns. Then what is the issue? Someone else brought up the issue of lazy parenting. Is this the solution? Do we start putting parents in prison if they don't watch their kids? Is it mental health? Do we start putting all kids in therapy?

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: DAVID64

It is more than just locking up guns. But locking up guns is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE part of the problem.

I gave the example of limiting alcohol for minors. And that having the effect of reducing alcohol related deaths in people under 21.

This is not rocket science. If 75% of incidents involve shooters getting guns from homes. Then let's close that route of access.

Why is nobody focusing on MEDICATIONS ?? 😡
Side effects causing and amplifying mental defects. 😠

a reply to: DAVID64

I don't have a good answer. Let people know that if they don't lock up their guns and a kid gets a hold of it they go to prison for a long time? Mandatory insurance if you have kids and guns? Make the insurance company make you submit photos of your safe? I don't have great answers.

This needs to be studied by people smarter than me and common sense recommendations should be followed.

a reply to: TruthJava

I'm for responsible gun ownership.

I think at the minimum. Guns should be in a safe/lockbox/locked room and out of kids reach. (Your guns should be locked up anyway just to deter theft. I remember when I was a kid, a police office had his house broken into and his gun collection was stolen.). The legal age for gun ownership should be 21. Gun use, such as for hunting, should be supervised by an adult.

a reply to: xuenchen

Oh yeah. This is assuming that shooters were on medication. And maybe it's had a part in some shootings. But we'll never know.

The largest number of deaths to children in a single year happened in 2012 at Sanyhook. 26 children died. That's 26 too many, but the vast majority of violent gun deaths are coming from inner city gangs and more often than not closely tied to the drug trade.

In nearly every case the weapon was either bought by the parents as a gift for the shooter or the wepon wasn't properly stored to prevent the shooter fron having access to it.

If parents who choose to own firearms were culpible for every crime committed with their weapon mot being securily stored faced the same charges and punishment as the perpetrator I think we'd see a mass reduction in teens going postal. At the very least. those parents should be banned from gun ownership for life if it's proven they neglected to take proper safety measure to insure their firearms didn't end up in the hands of children.

a reply to: grey580

You're entire argument is based on BS.

It's a mental health problem period. Kids radicalized by the media, social media, mentally ill parents, radical ideology being pushed by schools, teachers, Hollywood...

This wasn't a problem before we started pumping kids full of crazy drugs.

Guns have been ubiquitous throughout American history, in homes, schools, clubs...

Something changed, and it wasn't access to guns. Because access was always there.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

If we couch it as crime. Nothing will be done to fix it. Couching it as a public health issue can lead to it being fixed. Raising awareness that there's a some sort of mental health problem can lead to therapy and healing. Not doing anything just leads to more preventable deaths.

a reply to: watchitburn

It's not a recent issue. There's been school shootings in this country since the 1800's.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: watchitburn

It's not a recent issue. There's been school shootings in this country since the 1800's.

When and where was the very first one? 😀

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: DAVID64

I don't have a good answer. Let people know that if they don't lock up their guns and a kid gets a hold of it they go to prison for a long time? Mandatory insurance if you have kids and guns? Make the insurance company make you submit photos of your safe? I don't have great answers.

This needs to be studied by people smarter than me and common sense recommendations should be followed.

""I don't have a good answer."" -- you can say that again 😀

""This needs to be studied by people smarter than me"" -- many definitely agree 😀

a reply to: grey580

If we couch it as crime. Nothing will be done to fix it. Couching it as a public health issue can lead to it being fixed. Raising awareness that there's a some sort of mental health problem can lead to therapy and healing. Not doing anything just leads to more preventable deaths.

it's not a public health issue. the weapon is not what makes you sick in da head. lying about it saying gun violence is a public health issue your not addressing the root cause. which is a mental defect of some sort caused by bullying 9 out of 10 times in school shootings. you have to address the root cause and it's not the guns.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: DAVID64

The denial, by certain groups, to allow study of gun violence. So that we could treat gun violence as a public health issue. And then come up with some common sense ways to mitigate said violence. Right now we are reacting to mass shootings. Instead of coming up with ways to keep it from even happening.

Gun violence is a made up phrase... made up by people with bad intentions for all of us.

There is literally no such thing as "gun violence."

A gun is an inanimate object... as so it cannot be violent.

We need to focus on the people using them to kill people and call them murderers.

Something we already have laws about.

A start would be to examine why they choose certain targets.

By their own manifestos we already know the answer.

They want the highest body count possible so they choose soft targets.

So harden the targets.

School shootings didn't happen when I went to school, at least I never heard of any. We had people that came to school with hunting rifles on a rack in their truck. Obviously something has changed, be it the lack of a father figure or all the drugs and chemicals the government is shoving into our food and into our kids.

I never knew ONE person that took any pills as a kid when they had issues. Even my brother, who was a problem child, couldn't go to school regularly after 5th grade, went to a child shrink (kind of) and then to job corps, never took any medications. He actually turned out really well as a father to his children.

The foods we ate as children were more so home cooked, the only thing with the bad food dyes were kool aid and mac n cheese. The use of pesticides... which became more prevalent as I got older. Some kids I knew ate nothing but processed foods and junk, now it seems to be the norm. Nothing but chemicals that obviously do something to development of a child. They took away the lead paint, but put it in our foods instead.

Look at our children now compared to 30 years ago. They can't decide if they are boy, girl or someone from planet x. Every problem they have is a meltdown that needs drugs....or sugar.