Well we know Putins ICBMs won't fail in their silos

originally posted by: Lazy88
Then the US budget is unsustainable. So never say never because the spending will reach the end one way or another. How is that latest budget working out for the USSR?

You missed my point that the Ukraine war is a drop in the bucket. We didn't get to 30 trillion in debt because of Ukraine. We will not get out of debt to not help Ukraine.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Putin is still fighting and the Ukraine slowly losing while the US goes deeper in debt with spending it can’t sustain as interest payments are now a trillion dollars while the pentagon is negligent in stockpiling weapons. How is that making the EU more stable?

Added. With how many generations of men lost in the Ukraine.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Lazy88
Then the US budget is unsustainable. So never say never because the spending will reach the end one way or another. How is that latest budget working out for the USSR?

You missed my point that the Ukraine war is a drop in the bucket. We didn't get to 30 trillion in debt because of Ukraine. We will not get out of debt to not help Ukraine.

And I ask when it stops. Like you ignored. It will one way or another. Where is the USSR today. Circle it on a 2024 map please.

originally posted by: Lazy88
Putin is still fighting and the Ukraine slowly losing while the US goes deeper in debt with spending it can’t sustain as interest payments are now a trillion dollars while the pentagon is negligent in stockpiling weapons. How is that making the EU more stable?

Added. With how many generations of men lost in the Ukraine.

Russia is getting crushed on the economic level, and that can only get worse. They can only sell their oil at about 30 cents on the dollar due to no insurance company will insure the tankers that try to sell Russian oil. They lost all of the Western help in maintaining their infrastructure and lost their biggest customer of EU. They have China and even China doesn't want rubles and that cost them so much more too. They are also spending a vast amount of their GNP to this military effort while the US is is spending .01%.

originally posted by: Lazy88

And I ask when it stops. Like you ignored. It will one way or another. Where is the USSR today. Circle it on a 2024 map please.

I added to my post that you missed..

Never...Talk to Putin when is he going to stop taking countries, or when China is going to stop eyeing other countries, or NK is willing to stop, or Iran wants to be friends, or so many others....

Putin said the greatest disaster of the last 100 years was the fall of the USSR and allowing 13 or so countries to be independent, he wants the old team back together because they went from 3rd powerful to about that of the State of Texas and he wants to be back in the big boy group again.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Russia is getting crushed on the economic level,

Vs the USA making trillion dollar interest payments, and a trade deficit with China. Where we don’t have a real manufacturing base to mobilize like the US did WW II.

How many operational lead mines does the USA currently have?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
and that can only get worse.

Which has nothing to do with answering how is the USA and EU more secure because of the war in the Ukraine?

originally posted by: Lazy88

Vs the USA making trillion dollar interest payments, and a trade deficit with China.

That has zero to do with this war or Russia. Once again that is much worst issue and you are trying to suggest they are connected, and they are not. This support does nothing to the issues you keep listing, and not helping does nothing to those same issues.

How many operational lead mines does the USA currently have?

No clue to what you are asking here...

Which has nothing to do with how is the USA and EU more secure because of the war in the Ukraine.

Really... If Russia can't sustain a war then they don't attack...kind of simple...

a reply to: Xtrozero

It’s strange WW I was fought by greedy empires that lead to Hitler and his atrocities?

And the fall of the USSR lead to Putin still making threats of nuclear war.

Now the US is backing what they believe is the lesser evil of two governments more like the WW I empires than the Nazis.

When does the US stop its unsustainable spending? What good will come of the US continuing to deficit spend?

originally posted by: Xtrozero


Really... If Russia can't sustain a war then they don't attack...kind of simple...

By the US fueling the war while going deeper in depth with a budget it can’t sustain. While Putin is still fighting? While the real threat is China?

How China laughs.

originally posted by: Lazy88

When does the US stop its unsustainable spending? What good will come of the US continuing to deficit spend?

Unsustainable spending is about 99.9% outside of the Ukraine support, so maybe focus on that more?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Lazy88

When does the US stop its unsustainable spending? What good will come of the US continuing to deficit spend?

Unsustainable spending is about 99.9% outside of the Ukraine support, so maybe focus on that more?

How do you justify spending billions when the USA is going broke and not restocking its own munitions and building up a Navy to match the real threat of China. All the while in a war in the Ukraine between two corrupt governments while a whole generation of Ukrainian men are being lost?

According to a U.S. Congressional Research Service (CRS) report in June, the average Ukrainian frontline soldier is now 40 years of age, while those who watch the conflict closely say that even the growing numbers of increasingly vital drone operators are often in their thirties.

www.reuters.com...

I don’t think Putin is well liked. But people are getting fed up with the war. And how obscene it is.

Right or wrong. One reason Europe didn’t stand up to to Hitler earlier is because they didn’t have the taste for war after losing a generation of men in WW I. Burning out on the Ukraine may cause a bigger disaster.

a reply to: Lazy88

Right or wrong. One reason Europe didn’t stand up to to Hitler earlier is because they didn’t have the taste for war after losing a generation of men in WW I. Burning out on the Ukraine may cause a bigger disaster.

We are supposed to learn from history, not repeat it.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Lazy88

When does the US stop its unsustainable spending? What good will come of the US continuing to deficit spend?

Unsustainable spending is about 99.9% outside of the Ukraine support, so maybe focus on that more?

How do you justify spending billions when the USA is going broke and not restocking its own munitions and building up a Navy to match the real threat of China. All the while in a war in the Ukraine between two corrupt governments while a whole generation of Ukrainian men are being lost?

According to a U.S. Congressional Research Service (CRS) report in June, the average Ukrainian frontline soldier is now 40 years of age, while those who watch the conflict closely say that even the growing numbers of increasingly vital drone operators are often in their thirties.

www.reuters.com...

I don’t think Putin is well liked. But people are getting fed up with the war. And how obscene it is.

Right or wrong. One reason Europe didn’t stand up to to Hitler earlier is because they didn’t have the taste for war after losing a generation of men in WW I. Burning out on the Ukraine may cause a bigger disaster.

This keeps getting quoted as evidence that Ukraine is completely out of troops.

Unlike most countries including Russia, Ukraine consription age is 25+ not 18. This obviously increases the average age.

originally posted by: Lazy88

How do you justify spending billions when the USA is going broke and not restocking its own munitions and building up a Navy to match the real threat of China. All the while in a war in the Ukraine between two corrupt governments while a whole generation of Ukrainian men are being lost?

Most of what we sold was our old stuff, which is still better than most. We sold our old stuff at premium prices, so don't worry about us giving away anything that we would need. As to the war, you assume too much about me. I'm hoping they come to an agreement and Donbas goes to Russia and that ends it all, so let's see if Trump can do it. As to people dying...blame that on Putin, or are you suggesting that Ukraine should never have fought back and just let Russia take them like they have been doing to other countries?

According to a U.S. Congressional Research Service (CRS) report in June, the average Ukrainian frontline soldier is now 40 years of age, while those who watch the conflict closely say that even the growing numbers of increasingly vital drone operators are often in their thirties.

Once again, talk to Putin...He could end this tomorrow.

I don’t think Putin is well liked. But people are getting fed up with the war. And how obscene it is.

Russia's mentality is we will win because you will run out of bullets before we run out of men. They have been that way for centuries. Ukraine men are dying or have lifetime injuries, but it is about 1 to 6 compared to what Russia is experiencing with their men. The war is crazy anyways as they fight WWI style, but with drones added. I worked with Ukrainians in Poland, and they are highly motivated to not lose their country to Russia, they know what happened the last time Russia took them over.

There is no end game for Russia here except to back out and get their Donbas area and land bridge to Crimea. They should have made that their objective from the start, but they got greedy. Even if they take the whole country in 3+ years they would still have crushing sanctions on them, and they would need around 3 million troops to maintain their occupation.

The end game for us is Putin is removed, and their war powers are greatly diminished. We will see how it plays out, but once Trump is in office I see the war coming to an end quickly.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Lazy88

How do you decide the lesser of two evils?

Is this war in the context of US security worth billions of dollars? That is the real question for the USA.

Putin was the one to invade on false pretenses. He just wants Ukraine back under mother Russia for many gains and thought it would be a 2 week war with hardly a bullet fired like his 18 other wars. We can start there...

As to cost, a proxy war of attrition is about the cheapest war we could have.