Incoming TRUMP Admin will Declare a National Emergency to Mass Deport People Here Illegally.

originally posted by: BingoMcGoof

Trump was elected by a landslide of Popular vote

While some may wish to consider this a landslide, others will note that a difference of only 1.7 % between the two major candidate is hardly a landslide. Indeed, when the winning candidate can only muster 50 % ,or, one out of every two voters It also means that one out of every two voters voted against that candidate.

You want to downplay it, I understand. But the sooner you man up, the easier it will be.

When was the last time a Republican won the popular vote and the electoral vote at the same time?

Yeah, it was a landslide.

Be honest and admit it, if he had won the electoral vote and lost the popular vote by 5 million, you would have been yelling about the fact that she "won" the popular vote in a landslide only to lose the election.

Not picking on you personally, but when you dems/liberals/progressives start being honest and non-hypocritical again, you will probably will be the reps again.

But we are ALL sick of the spin...hence the LANDSLIDE.

a reply to: theatreboy

When was the last time a Republican won the popular vote and the electoral vote at the same time?

At risk of being as off topic as you are, George W. Bush in 2004

originally posted by: theatreboy
For those fear mongering or shaking in your shoes for deportation fears, don't look at Trump to do the right thing...or the Republicans, for that matter.

The biggest deporters in chief have been dems.

!. Clinton
2. Obama

So for those of you against deportations by Trump, where were you when your team was deporting illegals? Oh, yeah, cheering for them.

ohss.dhs.gov...

VERY INFORMATIVE! Thanks for adding this info to the thread.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: WeMustCare

Is this even possible? This act makes it sound like it's not possible.

18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force as posse comitatus

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

The Supreme Court ruled this year a President can do whatever he/she wants, so long as it's OFFICIAL.

originally posted by: CosmicFocus
a reply to: xuenchen


Look up the data on American births/deaths and then reply with real words with substance.

Usually, you are less emotional about the situation. But, yep! Biden pulled a fast one an we simply thought of his efforts/non-efforts as simply to gain more voters for his party. But the whole line of thinking didn't stop there. So, really, the national emergency that could be is that all illegals are kicked out, and the US falls into several areas of decline with all manner of bussiness feeling the brunt of it.

WHY didn't Biden make all these people legal citizens when he had the chance during 2021 and 2022? The House and Senate were on his side during those 720 days! WHY DIDNT HE?

a reply to: BingoMcGoof

Reducing the number of murders of American citizens is always a good outcome.

Let someone argue that it's OK these beautiful people www.breitbart.com... were killed by Biden/Harris-Invited Illegal aliens.

Let someone go to their families and tell them, "Sh'it happens"...get over it, like Democrat Congressman JERRY NADLER did earlier this year.

Nadler to Families of Illegal Alien Victims: www.foxnews.com...
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a reply to: PorkChop96

Why am I so focused? Because that's one of the main focuses of xenophobics. South Park lambastes this with the "Dey took our jerbs" joke. Which is laughable because those jobs most illegal have are jobs that Americans do not want. IMO, Trump, should focus on getting Congress to pass laws that better enable the President to close the border when needed. And then also pass laws to reform immigration.

a reply to: DAVID64

This is a fiasco that will look like something out of the Hand Maidens tale.

But yes I agree with you that ICE and BP should handle things. And Trump should focus on getting Congress to pass immigration reform and also laws that let him legally close down the border.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: PorkChop96

IMO, Trump, should focus on getting Congress to pass laws that better enable the President to close the border when needed. And then also pass laws to reform immigration.

You mean all things Trump had in place before Biden came in on day 1 and completely destroyed?

What a novel concept.....

a reply to: WeMustCare

That is an incorrect statement. If you were to read the ruling. SCotUS reaffirmed that the President has immunity when he is performing his duties as laid out by the Constitution. But he does not have immunity if he does something that is not within the scope of his duties. So if he goes out and randomly shoots someone. That would not be in the scope of his duties as President. Therefore not immune to prosection.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: theatreboy

When was the last time a Republican won the popular vote and the electoral vote at the same time?

At risk of being as off topic as you are, George W. Bush in 2004

Not off topic.

It is the context needed to understand the LANDSLIDE.

a reply to: PorkChop96

If you mean Title 42. Then Biden also used that to return immigrants back to Mexico. The issue with Title 42 was that it can only be used temporarily while the pandemic was full blown. But with pandemic being over. Title 42 could not apply anymore. But during Bidens time he used title 42 to expulse illegal immigrants as well. Before he had to end it of course.

a reply to: grey580

You do realize that Title 42 enabled Biden to ouch more back to Mexico during the pandemic because it lasted 3 times longer under Biden than under Trump right?

Then again, how many illegals has Biden let across the border in the last 2 years as apposed to the entire 4 years of Trump?

In 2017, there were 526k reported encounters at the southern border.

In 2023, there were over 2.5 million encounters.


See the difference?

a reply to: theatreboy

I'm all for being hones theatre, so let's be honest ok? Fifty percent is not a landslide. And yes, I recognize the shift in the power structure of the coming government, i've been here on this forum for over a decade and watched it happen from this seat in the balcony. I"m not out in the street protesting for liberalism or socialism, I'm right here in the balcony making not of truth and untruth as it passes by my understanding.

I"m not in the front row like people at an I Max watching some three de movie, completely enthralled by the spectical yet from here in the balcony I can watch the thrill that goes with sitting in that front row. The thrill of conformation bias.

So yes, it's gonna happen, or not, I'm resigned to it but truth is found, in my experience more in the small thing then in the large so this is what i will speak to. Fifty percent is not a landslide. By the time four years is up, it may be or if it goes south, maybe not, so let's see ok?

a reply to: grey580

The laws on the books are enough to enforce. No need to add more red tape.
I think the prudent way to start is to remove the illegals that have previous criminal records before they entered the US. Your murderers, rapists, thieves, etc. That in itself should keep INS, ICE and Border Patrol quite busy.
At the same time, said agencies should investigate current illegals without previous criminal records, and start the vetting process and path to citizenship. Background checks, ask for references, and history of being a "good visitor" to our nation: they've obeyed the law, are hard working, and assimilated into their communities. This process should be no different or difficult when applying for a job. If they don't meet the standards, then they're given the boot. What the metrics are when applied, I don't know. That would be up to the agencies involved.

a reply to: PorkChop96

Yes. But that highlights a failing in Congress that doesn't give the President the proper tools to close down the border. If Republicans in Congress cared so much about border security. Laws should of been passed years ago that actually limited the flow of illegal immigrants. In fact they should of been passed under Trump.

a reply to: WeMustCare

The amount of cars on the freeways and the number of hit
and run accidents will drop dramatically.

originally posted by: CosmicFocus
a reply to: WeMustCare


Never minds the words being spoken. It ain't going to happen to the full extent of those words. The basic facts are that solid Americans are only producing a bit more that half of the babies required to carry on the nation (read that as economically). Business welcomes all of those new, active bodies but they would never say that out loud.

What if all the men decide to have babies? I mean men can have babies right? Mika and Joe and Rachel and Mark etc. say so… or at least all the blues clues(less) can at least

a reply to: Blackstone0523

Ok.

So what are the laws on the books to enforce the border?

here's one. 1911. 8 USC 1325

(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b)Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1)at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2)twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

I know that there's at least 2 more laws. With one being the Asylum act. Which lets anyone that touches US soil claim asylum.

The Trump administration should also
HALT FOREIGN AID

to every nation that refuses to take back criminals they let out of jail and sent into the US

that refuses to do background checks on illegal aliens

that refuses to cooperate with repatriation of its citizens.

There should be no grace for those nations.

Just cut off their foreign aid until they cooperate.

If they don't let planes full of their citizens land

NO FOREIGN AID

Banned from importing anything into the US until they cooperate.