Speaker Johnson Orders Entire Biden Administration to Preserve and Retain All Records - Documents

a reply to: Vermilion

We aren't talking about furniture or knick knacks. We are discussing classified documents.

A pallet of boxes with classified documents is not a mistake. That was taken knowingly and on purpose. And we should be worried if any elected official is taking that stuff home with them.

a reply to: grey580

But they are 2 completely different scenarios.

Trumps were from when he was President and had capabilities to declassify documents.

Biden's were from when he was Vice President, with no capabilities to declassify documents.

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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Vermilion

We aren't talking about furniture or knick knacks. We are discussing classified documents.

A pallet of boxes with classified documents is not a mistake. That was taken knowingly and on purpose. And we should be worried if any elected official is taking that stuff home with them.

even if they are older and have a poor memory?

a reply to: grey580

Hey. Still no proof at all those "documents" at Mar-a-Lago were actually taken by Trump (planted by GSA), and no proof those boxes in a bathroom were actually there. Only tainted reports from tainted FBI exist. FBI used fake props for their evidence photos too - totally illegal. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

a reply to: PorkChop96

(some of Biden's stash was from when he was Senator too. He's been in business a long time, and remember he had a stash at his university office in D.C. too) 😬

a reply to: PorkChop96

I'm sorry but as I posted earlier, he does not have the power to declassify nuclear related information by Executive Order. And looking into this further he had nuclear-related information there at Mar A Lago. And even though Trump has the power to declassify docs. There is a process to do so. Covered here. www.ecfr.gov...

a reply to: xuenchen

So you're saying that there is no proof? Do you have any evidence of that?

a reply to: grey580

You keep letting your TDS get the better of you, where are all of your questions for Biden and his docs?

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: xuenchen

So you're saying that there is no proof? Do you have any evidence of that?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 good one

here we go again with proving the negatives

and yeah, The FBI admitted they used at least several fake picture props and introduced them as real evidence 🤣🤣🤣

Looking more and more like Johnson's idea to order retention of documents from corrupt exec depts is a good idea. Good setup for exposure when they discover many items have been destroyed or hidden.

Even though she lost the election, The Kamala Syndrome lives on! 😀

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: xuenchen

How is it determined what has been deleted or destroyed once it’s gone?

Especially documents with the highest classification of secrecy?

Is there a cross department watchdog with ultra high top secret clearance that has access to all filing systems that can determine this?

I’m not convinced it can be achieved.

What if Joe’s garage burns down?

So, this is a good question...and there are actually some good-news answers.

When an order like this is given, it's a shot across the bow of those who are being given the instruction, a warning. Documents aren't as easy to destroy as one might think. First of all, there are copies, but more importantly there are also chains of documents. Oh sure, a document here or there might be able to slip though, but what a do not destroy order really says is..."we have copies of these documents too, and if you are unable to recover them when we subpoena them (and we have copies of the documents you can't produce), then this will serve as proof you destroyed them intentionally to shield your guilt."

The other thing is chains of discussions. If I write a letter to party A, and they reply back to me, and then I reply to their reply, if suddenly their initial reply is mysteriously missing it's obvious because now my reply back to party A makes it clear a document is missing. When other parties are cc'd on documents, and other parties (B, C and D) join the discussion, then it becomes even more difficult to remove a document from the middle of a chain discussion. The only alternative is to destroy the whole chain, and when I have copies of half of that chain, I can prove the documents existed at one point but don't exist now.

a reply to: PorkChop96

What questions are there to be asked. He had classified docs that he should not have had. Investigate him and charge him with a crime if he did something nefarious with them.

a reply to: grey580

There are already investigations on that and proof that he had business partners of his sons in the same room as the classified documents. The evidence is out there, but hard to see for those who do not wish to see it

Regardless, why focus on one without bringing up the other. Seem quite bias if you ask everyone that is not you

a reply to: xuenchen

The FBI did not admit that.

Trump said,

"They took them out of cartons and spread them around on the carpet, making it look like a big 'find' for them. They dropped them, not me - Very deceiving…," Trump wrote on his social media platform, Truth Social.

And the FBI says,

Bobby Chacon, a retired FBI agent, told Insider that the photo was indeed staged — but for a "legitimate purpose."

"It's just a trail to be as thorough as you can in documenting where every item came from within a search," Chacon told Insider. "And a search of this geographic magnitude … when you're searching a resort area that's this large, you want to make sure you're very thorough and you document where everything was."

Two federal law enforcement officials told The New York Times that the folders weren't discovered on the floor, but arranged like that by agents after they were removed from Trump's office.

Most agents will take a photo of the finding in its original form, and then spread out, so individual findings can be traced back to their original location, according to Chacon.

Chacon said agents typically take photos at the start of the search, when they recover any evidence during the search, and at the end of the search. The Department of Justice court filing notably only included one photos, but others of other parts of the search process may exist.

So you made a claim that there was no proof. You need to back that up.

a reply to: PorkChop96

I'm not being biased. If either Biden or Trump mishandled classified documents. They should be investigated. If there is proof of malfeasance indict them.

There should be no excuses made for either President.

a reply to: grey580

Your entire rhetoric, in regards to Classified documents, has been Trump this, Trump that. That is a bias.....

a reply to: PorkChop96

Did I not just say that the investigate them both? What's the problem?

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: PorkChop96

I'm not being biased. If either Biden or Trump mishandled classified documents. They should be investigated. If there is proof of malfeasance indict them.

There should be no excuses made for either President.

OK, since you "aren't from around here", perhaps you just haven't seen the chain of events. See, there was an investigation. It was found that Joe Biden did indeed have classified documents in several locations, and it was just as wrong as Trump having documents. But Joe wasn't charged, because he's old and forgetful. So knowing that was the outcome of Joe's issues, why on Earth would there be different actions taken with Trump? I mean other than BAMN, OMB.

a reply to: grey580

Congrats, want a lolipop for your troubles?


Here is a hint, Biden's case has already been investigated. And, because he "gave them all back without issue" and was found to be "mentally unfit to stand trial",it was all swept under the rug and he will get to go on as if nothing happened.

Trump on the other hand, as has been the case for the last 4 years, the judicial system is being thrown at him trying to keep him from accomplishing what he accomplished last week. Another 4 years in the oval office.


2 unclassified document cases

1 with the power to declassify, one without.

1 kept in an unsecured garage by an old car, one kept in a secured room.

1 has been charged and taken to court over these documents, one has not. And it's not the one you would guess from just looking at this little info.

a reply to: nugget1

There will always be Rinos. Let's hope they are few and powerless. The way Trump's new administration seems to be forming, any Rino would be considered an outsider. And they don't hold the same relevance they once did. And certainly not the same respect.