The Change I Want To See

a reply to: TzarChasm

When I break the law I go to jail.
When a politician breaks the law the lose their job?

You want to live in a borderless country like that?

Thats not America, bud.

Maybe this ain’t the place for you

a reply to: Myhandle

So we went from public execution, to heads on pikes, to jail. At least the severity of the "atonement" is dialing down. But it's going to take at least two election cycles to get any results and it's going to be a circus for the media who will spend all day and all night, every day of the week, circling every minute detail and drawing exaggerated comparisons to dystopian political boogeymen. Apparently that's the "golden age" Trump was referring to.

a reply to: TzarChasm

You don’t like my language? Some people should undoubtedly go to the firing squads for the crimes committed as per the law as it has existed forever.
You don’t seem to understand the depth of the crimes committed.
A foreign country could not do worse.
But yeah harp on my language and the punishment the guilty are going to receive.
You don’t look suspicious at all. Adam Schiff, is that you?

a reply to: NorthOS

Hopefully those that don’t support Trump understand the difference between atonement and justice.

Justice isn’t selective.

So if there is atonement, I would hope it wouldn’t be.

I imagine the crimes people imply are using the justice system for a political agenda. I think many would agree that was done, even people who aren’t full throated Trump supporters.

I think that could and should be looked into, so long as we address all the ways the “justice” system has been changed by the elites in unconstitutional fashion.

If the atonement is selective, than how is that different than what was done to Trump? Plenty of insider trading (I imagine voting to protect such), votes to bolster the patriot act, charging legitimate whistleblowers with the espionage act ect.

I think it would reek of revenge if it’s only applied to one group.

That said, I’d be shocked if any politician had to worry about any legal trouble anytime soon.

The victors approaching this with blood in thier eyes would be stupid AF...play right into the paranoid left, and with the leftist media erode any real chances at the mid-term and weaken thier cause in 2028

a reply to: putnam6

If there is no justice there is no point in 2028.
We don’t have a country as it is. We don’t have a border we don’t have a justice system.
We have the irs agents robbing us once a year and that’s it.
And the leftist media has no credibility anymore.
I respect your intelligence and opinion
They know what they deserve and that terrifies them.
That’s not my fault

a reply to: CriticalStinker

We’ll see if sedition, seditious libel, espionage, and treason are brought up and if they stick in an unbiased court.

I can think of instances where they may apply.

originally posted by: Myhandle
a reply to: TzarChasm

You don’t like my language? Some people should undoubtedly go to the firing squads for the crimes committed as per the law as it has existed forever.
You don’t seem to understand the depth of the crimes committed.
A foreign country could not do worse.
But yeah harp on my language and the punishment the guilty are going to receive.
You don’t look suspicious at all. Adam Schiff, is that you?

I don't believe in violence as a political tool. That fits the definition of terrorism and I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you don't see it.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Ok. I can respect that. I disagree.
I think the firing squad is appropriate for the things it has been used for in American history
I am all for the MAXIMUM LEGAL punishment for the crimes committed
Just like the J6ers, amirite?
No one is above the law, amirite?

a reply to: Myhandle

Okay. Let's use specific language here and outline exactly what crimes occurred under what federal code.

originally posted by: Myhandle
a reply to: putnam6

If there is no justice there is no point in 2028.
We don’t have a country as it is. We don’t have a border we don’t have a justice system.
We have the irs agents robbing us once a year and that’s it.
And the leftist media has no credibility anymore.
I respect your intelligence and opinion
They know what they deserve and that terrifies them.
That’s not my fault

Let's just say I disagree with emotional politics, it's not good for the country. The left played emotional politics and tried political lawfare with all the advantages and lost.

Why play that card immediately?

hell, why even show your hand when you have no idea who can and who can't be trusted in our departments

like I said stupid AF on so many levels.

How much positive legislation Trump will likely be able to pass, by walking softly and carrying that big stick.

America needs our best and brightest working on a hundred different things that have priority and help the common good.

a reply to: TzarChasm

It really sounds like you’re trying to figure out how much I know.
So you can prepare a defense….
You know as well as I do what’s been going on. The poster above listed sedition, treason, espionage.
Remember the Chinese balloon🤣🤣🤣
Cmon man!
In all seriousness. The worst crimes have been committed against this nation.
Without the people’s belief in justice this will keep happening over and over.
We are not a serious people anymore and will get conquered by a more serious people.

originally posted by: putnam6
The victors approaching this with blood in thier eyes would be stupid AF...play right into the paranoid left, and with the leftist media erode any real chances at the mid-term and weaken thier cause in 2028

The biggest right hook Trump could send the left and establishment would be becoming an efficient statesman.

If he could deliver on a lot of the things he ran on, and brought a little bit of grace into that equation, than it’s the start of a movement that could last a long time.

If he has a redux of term one, I think people will either look back on his two terms as the golden age, or happy it’s behind them.

originally posted by: Myhandle
a reply to: TzarChasm

It really sounds like you’re trying to figure out how much I know.
So you can prepare a defense….
You know as well as I do what’s been going on. The poster above listed sedition, treason, espionage.
Remember the Chinese balloon🤣🤣🤣
Cmon man!
In all seriousness. The worst crimes have been committed against this nation.
Without the people’s belief in justice this will keep happening over and over.
We are not a serious people anymore and will get conquered by a more serious people.

So Mister Prosecutor you are going to roll Chinese Spy ballon into election interference... good luck with that.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: putnam6
The victors approaching this with blood in thier eyes would be stupid AF...play right into the paranoid left, and with the leftist media erode any real chances at the mid-term and weaken thier cause in 2028

The biggest right hook Trump could send the left and establishment would be becoming an efficient statesman.

If he could deliver on a lot of the things he ran on, and brought a little bit of grace into that equation, than it’s the start of a movement that could last a long time.

If he has a redux of term one, I think people will either look back on his two terms as the golden age, or happy it’s behind them.

Exactly, he can build real momentum here, he must build consensus and work on projects that have immediate and impactful results.

a reply to: putnam6

Respectfully, I never claimed not to be stupid AF.
I am not a politician. I am one of 75,000,000 who proudly voted for Trump because I see the truth that the MSM can’t cover up.
This is a rant in the rant section. Don’t get too upset at me.
It would be like me going in your toilet and telling you your poop stinks.

I want the world to know bad things were done and justice is coming and it’s not revenge. It’s how you keep a country.

a reply to: putnam6

No im riffing off the top of my head in the rant section. I didn’t realize I had to connect smaller dots for you.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

Justice isn’t selective.

It shouldn't be, but we all know that certain
people and perhaps large swaths of people have
been singled out for injustice.

Need I make a list?

Come on, we ALL know there has been
a great amount of injustice delivered to
one side of the political spectrum.

That said, I’d be shocked if any politician had to worry about any legal trouble anytime soon.

Again, where have you been hiding out?

What was the Russia hoax? Muellerr Bueller?!

Come on, not fooling anyone.

a reply to: burntheships

I was comparing the definition of Justice, and the system we have. Which is why I put quotation in Justice for our justice system.

That said, I made that comment under the context of a philosophical premise I was replying to.

But removing that context, I still stand by it.

If it focused on one group, it wouldn’t change the definition of the word justice. I think most would see it as revenge, even in his base where it would be celebrated. But it would just continue on a tit for tat rather than addressing any of the root problems.

Again, where have you been hiding out? What was the Russia hoax? Muellerr Bueller?! Come on, not fooling anyone.

I believe I started with that, even noting it was obvious for most, including those who aren’t avid Trump supporters. Likely one of the reasons he ended up winning. I imagine playing the establishment at their game would be about just as good of a look for anyone who uses that play book.

But my prediction is that we won’t see any draining of the swamp. Though I’ll be happy to be proven wrong here so long as it’s done with tact.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

But my prediction is that we won’t see any draining of the swamp. Though I’ll be happy to be proven wrong here so long as it’s done with tact.

Drain the swamp is so 2016.

But it did happen to a degree.

My favorite was when Trump fired James Comey
over the phone, and wouldn't let him fly home on
the FBI account.

Hillary lost and sidelined.

Just those two things alone are are wild success.

Then there is 2024, not yet started but to see
Kamala tossed to the curb, along with Ole Joe
is a sight to behold.

But anyways, back to Justice.

Oh, yeah there are those three that were appointed
to the SCOTUS underTrump.

Too much winning!

Ahahahahahahahahhhhaaaha