Phil Krapf: 9-11 Halted Alien Disclosure

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Well how can I be more like you and thereby 'know personally" about the alien races? Is it a method I could study and learn? Actually, could you provide proof that you know about these races before I do study under you? Do you have more proof than Phil Krapf?

What have you personally sacrificed to become an 'experiencer'? It is equal to what Krapf has sacrificed, career-wise? I know you think he's getting rich but his book only sells for around twelve bucks. Is it his book that makes him a "sell-out"? Do you reject him because he took money and therefore see yourself as being more credible due to your profit-free message? I am curious.

smallpeeps

Alien contact is never random. If you have alien contact, you can build on it and learn things from the alien races. The greater your personal abilities to communicate with them, and to retain awareness between your states of consciousness, the greater your teachings may be. The alien races need people who are capable and willing. Most who have the opportunity, refuse it.

I provide no proof of my personal claims. I only offer my own understanding from my own experience, and I am not offended by disbelief. You should not study alien life under anybody except the aliens, if you can. Listen to people to see what the people are about, but don't just believe anything they tell you. Think for yourself. More and more is coming to light publicly all the time, and you can figure this out just by observing human nature.

Personally, I have not sacrificed anything just to be an alien experiencer, but speaking out publicly puts me in a position to be shot down often by people inside and outside of the field. My experiences and knowledge often rub against the grain of the popular beliefs about the aliens, and people in ufo groups who are blatantly lying worry that I can expose them, so they become defensive and talk suspiciously to other members about me. My husband and I work with alien life together, and speak together, so I am never isolated. I would not call social groupie out-casting a sacrifice, because my friends and family support us as the good people we are.

My children suffered somewhat socially through school. When the wiseasses wanted to tease them, this was the perfect card. But they also have always had good friends too, who know us for the family we are. I have always been first to face the parents of their friends, and their teachers and principals of their schools to tell them that it's true, our family has real alien experiences, but that it is nothing like anything they have heard through the media, and we are never hurt or otherwise abused by alien people. I explain what we do with the aliens, and with humans who have personal experiences, and offer to answer any questions they have. I ask them to support my children regardless of the talk, and they always agree to that. Most of them ask me very important questions about the aliens, just to see what I will say, or maybe because they have always wondered. Whether they believe me or not, does not really matter. How they show respect to my children and me does.

The hardest and scariest part about speaking publicly about alien life, is being harassed by govt agents. Especially in the beginning, when they first started following us around and tried to abduct my husband. Believe that or not, but you asked. That was the largest sacrifice we have made so far, that fear of what they might do. The govt still watches us, but they don't try to abduct us anymore.

My husband and I run our own business, so our livelihood is not on the line. Some of the other members of our families also have had alien contact, some with us, so even though not everyone in our families understand us, they all accept us anyway.

I don't know how much Krapf makes on his books. But I think the govt pays him anyway. By selling out, I meant that he is an alien experiencer and could have done some good work, but he switched sides instead. That happens to most people who become well-known in the field. That is how they become well-known in the field. People like me are generally considered flaky, you could say.

I also hope to have my journals published, and if I do, I will make money from them. But if that was my goal, I could have just added some sex and gore and been published ten years ago. But the truth is not recognized very well yet inside of the ufo field or ufo publishing houses, because they are overtaken by something else, that has nothing to do with the alien races at all. What I talk about with others is much more valuable than my journals, anyway. They just say what happened, which anybody could make up. What I can offer people in understanding their own experiences is productive and progressive to all our races.

I reject Krapf because he's such a liar, and for the worst reasons. He may have thought he was just innocently making something up in the beginning of his lies, but he quickly gained the the attention of the important people on Earth. Now he is deliberately helping to take the people further away from the truth, away from knowing that there are other, better ways of running our world, than what our leaders are doing to the people and the planet. He is contributing to the confusion in a highly professional, immoral way. I would never care how much money he would make if he told the truth, but he is not even any longer free to tell the truth. I would never lie to mislead the masses of people against the visiting races for any amount of money or fame.

That is my point of view, to explain myself, not to try to convince you. I do not see myself as credible, except to those it matters to, those who have progressive alien experiences, or will at some time, or know somebody who does.

I tend to like the story whether it's fiction or not, i dont read things about aliens to know a "truth" for me it is entertaining to think of other people from other worlds. I like phil krapf's story that is all but one part. Where the aliens cut us off because of 9/11. That was no one's fault but those crazy radicals. If they wanted anything to do with us they would regardless of the situation i would think since making their presence known and sharing the stories of other civilizations blowing themselves up might make us stop and think.

Originally posted by Trustnone
I tend to like the story whether it's fiction or not, i dont read things about aliens to know a "truth" for me it is entertaining to think of other people from other worlds.

Trustnone

I wonder how many people think like that. Perhaps most people just do not know or care what the truth about the alien races is, or they passively assume that if the aliens are real and have all that ability and technology, they will take care of it. Maybe they don't know how serious the suffering is on our planet, or how easily they could start turning it around. Maybe people don't know that this is their own planet and they are the ones who have to change it. Maybe the people are so dumb and suppressed that all they do about the problems is comfort themselves with food and drugs and sex, and entertain themselves with the most exciting gossip.

Sometimes gossip is so entertaining that it keeps being spread around and mutating and snowballing forever. The greater the story, the further it travels and the more believable it becomes. But for every one of us, gossip is only fun until the truth impacts ourselves and our own families. Maybe more people have to think and take care of humanity and the world as their own, and take all this gossip against the alien races and the people who have alien experiences personally, before we will decide to improve the way we treat and share information about our visiting races.

i'm wondering why this advanced alien civilization would NEEDa human to speak for them....do they think we'll believe his message more than them revealing themselves in all their splendour??

Revealing themselves only proves they are real, period. It does not answer the thousands of more important questions about them, and it does not answer WHO, among all the various claimants on Earth, you can trust to tell you the truth about them. People still tend to trust those who are misleading them the most, for the most insidious reasons- their leaders and the professionals who work for them.

Humans trust and learn best from what happens to themselves and their own kind, and what their own kind say. Few people trust alien life yet, or would, if the aliens showed up prematurely to try to explain themselves on their own. Nobody could blame us for that, and we should not trust anybody we don't know yet. There has to be enough education first. In this case for our whole race, the education also is not easy because we are fighting against a strong tide of disinformation against the aliens.

The aliens are framed "in our own minds" already. It's not safe for them to just suddenly, openly show up for all yet, and the results would be mostly counterproductive to all the relationships they are trying to build with individuals. Instead, they have to first find individual humans among their contactees who are brave and willing enough to overcome their own prejudice and then take on the personal humiliation and skeptics as they try to speak to others. A person may have to give up a lot to go against "any" similar kind of wrong in our societies, to try to right it.

Each person who learns a little thing from the alien races might think he has no power or say against all the negativity, but he does. It does not really matter so much that the truth is not generally very well believed yet. It has to be also heard that there is honest, first-hand information from individuals that goes against the popular beliefs. It has to be heard that the alien races WANT to open a relationship with humanity. If the people are only hearing the disinformation, then they can only keep trying to choose what is right between all of those kinds of things.

When enough people have learned enough truth, and the results of revealing themselves for all will be productive enough, everybody will see the aliens are here. It can be done in one day. But THAT is when the real questions will start, and still, few will be telling the truth. The leading govts will continue what they are doing already, creating confusion to bury the truth with, and casting doubt upon the aliens and the humans who know them.

post edited by el cid.

[edit on 25-4-2005 by el cid]

I've been an experiencer for years and I don't know all the alien races, nor does anyone else on this planet. I saw Krapf just a month ago at an IONS meeting in Petaluma, his first appearance since 2002. Krapf said that he and his publisher Byron Belitsos were about to go public with announcement of imminent opening by the Verdants, just a few days before 9-11, and had prepped the press releases (having just met with and been told by Verdants that this would happen). Then 9-11 hit and they had to sit on it.

There's so much more out there than we know, just yet. We need to be open-minded. There should be mega-populations, large domineering populations like the Verdants, in every galaxy. Nature suggests that one or a few will try to be megas in each large galaxy. And there should be even larger umbrellas, or treaty and ecological conventions. They would be necessary for the survival of all.

*Krapf isn't taking government money. Both he and his publisher told us that he doesn't even take royalities for his book sales--he does it for information's sake. He wore the same old sports coat (didn't match his pants) that he wore back in 1998 when his first book photo was taken. He has retirement income, and gets by. He's grown his hair into a pony tail, by the way. He seems to be inspired in a late-blooming way.



[edit on 27-4-2005 by gl2]

Instead, they have to first find individual humans among their contactees who are brave and willing enough to overcome their own prejudice and then take on the personal humiliation and skeptics as they try to speak to others. A person may have to give up a lot to go against "any" similar kind of wrong in our societies, to try to right it.

EarthSister, I looked at your website and I saw your drawings of aliens and frankly, you don't sound any more sane that Phil Krapf. No offense, of course, but in the original "Space Federation" thread, you didn't respond to gl2 to my satisfaction and so your credibility is lacking from my perspective. I do know that you have defenders on ATS who apparently you have helped, and that's cool. I'm sure you are in communication with something.

Krapf, however, gave up not just most of his friends, in order to publish his first book (I have just finished reading Krapf's first book), but he also underwent significant changes from an emotional point of view. He learned about his eternal soul from the Verdants in the first book. Then, in the second book, he learned about his past lives, something he had never believed in prior to that.

Why on Earth would a man ruin a reputation he spent decades to build, just to write such a fantastic and frankly embarassing book about himself? When he wrote his first book in 1998, he was making huge prophecies about what would happen in just a few years. Who would have the guts to go out on a limb like that? If you believe that a guy would self-sabotage by printing a book in which he predicts that future five years from that point, you must really have issues with him. Why is he less credible than a woman channeling in New Jersey, who has given up little or nothing for her alien experiences?

Krapf's a simple old man who has been married to his wife for decades and has been an atheist/agonostic, UFO non-believer all his life. He had been known as one of the most hardnosed, rational skeptic reporters on the LA Times payroll. You're saying one day he decides "Hey, I'm gonna ruin my life by rejecting all my religious beliefs (or at least telling people that) and I'll write a book about aliens that will only be valid for five years until my prophecies fail to come true!" Wow! What a great plan! Lose your friends and invalidate your whole life.

No, I don't buy it. I have nothing to lose by semi-believing in the Verdants, so why not? In my opinion, you can sometimes judge the truth of people's words by observing what they have sacrificed in order to speak them.



[edit on 4-5-2005 by smallpeeps]

I just recently read Krapf's book " The Contact Has Begun" and I was intrigued at first but by the end of the book he had lost all credibility with me.

Chapter 11.. Titled "Indecent Proposal" sealed the deal for me. I mean come on, your abducted by aliens and you're gonna act like Austin Powers!! GGGRROOOVVYY BBAABBYY!!!! And his alien guide or whatever you want to call her, "Gina", describes herself as a "sexperimentor". I'm not buying it at all.

The guy's a fraud in my opinion. I don't know him personally, but I find his writing gives me a funny feeling like it's more fiction than fact. I was trying to be open minded when I read his book, but I was really dissapointed.

Chapter 11.. Titled "Indecent Proposal" sealed the deal for me. I mean come on, your abducted by aliens and you're gonna act like Austin Powers!! GGGRROOOVVYY BBAABBYY!!!! And his alien guide or whatever you want to call her, "Gina", describes herself as a "sexperimentor". I'm not buying it at all.

Why do you think he would write such a ridculous element into his story? Is he just trying to be a moron, or is it possible that he is faithfully reporting the facts as he observed them?

Yes, I thought the sexual scene was odd, but certainly in keeping with the way HUMANS are, right? I mean why is it so shocking if aliens are as interested in sexuality as we humans are? Isn't it sort of hypocritical to say otherwise? Aliens must know that we are a sex-obsessed society. Not only that but Krapf was very put-off by this moment. He really ends up looking like a prude. It's not like he said, "Oh yeah, she was hot for me." Do you honestly think that he was trying to make himself out to be a stud? It sure didn't come across that way to me.

Why would he write such nonsense? Why would a 30-year career reporter who has spent his life building credibility suddenly decide to flush it all down the toilet?


[edit on 4-5-2005 by smallpeeps]

He wouldn't. If, as he says, the Verdants want to further contact, the Gina scene may have been a kind of teaser. Or, alternatively, Krapf was way in deep in an alien's version of intel-contacts, hence compromising him in such a way could have provided future leverage. More likely than either of the first two hypotheses is the fact that to have had relations with "Gina" would have broken down barriers and made Krapf feel closer to them, less likely to embarrass them, as he did, in part, later.

More likely than either of the first two hypotheses is the fact that to have had relations with "Gina" would have broken down barriers and made Krapf feel closer to them, less likely to embarrass them, as he did, in part, later.

I tend to agree with you, gl2. It's reasonable to assume that such an invitation to sex play works in the case of many Verdant abductees and increases the bond. As you mentioned, in his second book he mentions how the Verdants were very upset by his inclusion of the sex moment in his book.

It's not like I don't have reservations about parts of Krapf's story. The biggest flaw is the idea that the Verdants have "Ultimate Intelligence" and arrogantly say so, but then they later admit to completely misunderstanding humans and having made a mistake by initiating the contact procedure. They say this is the first time a big 'contact' mistake like this has been made. Yeah right.

If good/evil humans break down along 80/20 lines as the Verdants claim, then why are they punishing us for their own grave miscalculation? Don't they owe us now since they have interfered? Haven't they already broken their own rules of Contact? Now they're just going to let us twist in the wind? It doesn't seem like they are as noble or knowledgable as is claimed. If they were, they'd work to fight the minority of evil humans who don't speak for the majority. As it stands, it looks like they're just willing to write us off after they've already dipped their toes in Earth's pool.

gl2, in your other posts you have mentioned that you have personally used remote viewing to confrim the Verdant ship's existence. I am wondering how you learned RV and could you give us any tips? I mean, the simple solution to this whole question of Phil Krapf is for humans to learn remote viewing so that we can see proof for ourselves. What techniques are best for RV?



[edit on 4-5-2005 by smallpeeps]

smallpeeps- You asked "Why would he write such nonsense? Why would a 30-year career reporter who has spent his life building credibility suddenly decide to flush it all down the toilet?".

Well answer this...without his fantastic stories and claims, who would remember or give respect to the former editor of the metro desk for the L.A. Times? The man probably felt with 30 years of editing and writing he should have some following. Regardless of monitary rewards he probably felt he needed some affirmation, and what better prey than those "lunatics" in the ufology "cults". The only reason he has any credibility in the ufology field is because he was a "supposed" hard nosed reporter.

I'm not a skeptic. I believe in UFO's/aliens, but this guy is part of the reason this field of research can't get any mainstream credibility. I said before and I'll say it again, I don't know the guy but he has no proof, no predictions, just stories about "Sexperimentors" and other wild claims. If anybody has background that would allow them to spoof or hoax this "controversial" subject it would be a guy like Krapf. The stories just wouldn't lend credibility if he had been making a living driving a truck for 30 years.

Admit it, as much as you would like to believe him he does have the perfect background to be a hoaxer.

Regardless of monitary rewards he probably felt he needed some affirmation, and what better prey than those "lunatics" in the ufology "cults". The only reason he has any credibility in the ufology field is because he was a "supposed" hard nosed reporter.

I don't understand. Why would he think that the 'lunatics' would suddenly become his 'prey'? Those people don't accept him and they don't want his book. Also, he would not need to include details about his own personal religious revelations (immortal soul, reincarnation) if he was simply out to fleece people. This guy was an atheist. Why the religious details?

Also, why would he set an actual timeframe for the contact when he would have known he was lying (assuming he's lying) and that his timeline would fail? That makes no sense. He'd have to be incredibly stupid to formulate a plan to fleece alien-believers and then totally discredit himself with non-truthful prophecies. He could have left those bits out if he was just after a quick buck. Why set himself up for unavoidable exposure as a fraud?

If anybody has background that would allow them to spoof or hoax this "controversial" subject it would be a guy like Krapf. The stories just wouldn't lend credibility if he had been making a living driving a truck for 30 years.

Yeah, but aren't you still operating from a premise which says that Krapf is controlled or that he has some scheme? I will agree with you that a hard-nosed journalist like Krapf would be a good guy to choose if one wants to place a smokescreen between the public and the truth, but where is Krapf's incentive for going along with it? Did he get paid? What's he buying with the money, if so?

Admit it, as much as you would like to believe him he does have the perfect background to be a hoaxer.

I would like to believe that an advanced civilization would help us to grow just as a parent would help its child. I don't know if Krapf is telling the truth, but I am inlined to listen more carefully when a man gives up all that he is, to tell his story. From what I can see, Krapf gained nothing and lost much.

I am fine with Krapf being a hoaxer, but what else is there to talk about? This is the most recent detailed account of alien experience and it seems to be given by a pretty credible dude. What are some better alien threads that I should follow if I am interested in the subject?



[edit on 5-5-2005 by smallpeeps]

I think that any spectacular event would be used as a catalyst to promote a fantastic idea.

1. Why would the "Verdants" care about 9-11? What relation to anything does that event have other than to state that we can't yet co-exist peacefully.

9-11 was trivial compared to other events in our history...

2. I think people witnessing a present day catastrophic event ignites all kinds of ideas in people, usually people who can't deal with the problem.


If you understand Life and you understand Death, then you have all the information you need to realize that certain things cause certain things to happen.

Simple cause and effect.
This doesn't mean that because you got bit by a Wolf, overnight you are going to turn into a Werewolf, or an Alien race is going to deny you contact just because a group of people did something terrible.

Most of the time people's motivation for saying or doing things are strictly for the publicity and the attention they get.

Think about all the tabloid newspapers you've glanced at when in line at the grocery store, the crazy stuff on the front page is the hook to get you to purchase the paper and make someone money.

1. Why would the "Verdants" care about 9-11? What relation to anything does that event have other than to state that we can't yet co-exist peacefully.

9-11 was trivial compared to other events in our history...

Yes, this bothers me also. Basically, the story is that when Krapf wrote his Verdant-authorized "press release" about imminent contact in August of 2001, this resulted in 9/11 being put into action as a way for the 20% of evil folks here on Earth to maintain control over the 80% good. Apparently the 20% do not want alien contact and so they are currently fomenting war and distracting us.

In the second book by Krapf, he goes back up to the ship (the day after 9/11 I think) and the Verdants are disappointed and they say, "This sort of miscalculation has never happened before. It now appears that you humans are not able to control the 20% who are evil. You must control them before we let you into space." or words to that effect.

However, as you say, we've had wars for years. Why are the Verdants so poorly informed about humans? I find it almost absurd that aliens who can hopscotch across the universe are so inept when it comes to making contact. The explanation in the book is that Earth is totally unique in its moral diversity. Krapf's Verdants say that most populated planets consist of a populace that is united in their ethics, etc., and so contact is much easier in those cases. To have good and evil sharing a planet is totally unique, according to them. Apparently this makes their job of determining the nature of humans more difficult.

Of all the things that keep me from believing Krapf totally, this would be the largest reason. Why would a near godlike species be so totally unable to understand humans? I don't think we are such a mystery. In some ways, the Verdants sound like jerks.

I agree with you brainiac. Also I think by saying that 9/11 halted disclosure, then Krapf gets himself off the hook from having to make his promises come true. Very convenient.

Did Krapf announce publicly before 9/11 that the Verdants were going to come forward soon? Or did he just say "The Vedants were about to come forward then 9/11 happened".

Did Krapf announce publicly before 9/11 that the Verdants were going to come forward soon? Or did he just say "The Vedants were about to come forward then 9/11 happened".

No he definately seems to have believed that contact was imminent and he was selling that idea 100% with his first book and then also with his 'press release' two weeks prior to 9/11.

Now, to say that he KNEW 9/11 or some event was imminent, and withheld that fact, and had planned to write a second book all along... Well, that's giving Krapf a bit too much credit. How the heck would he have known that 9/11 would happen?

I wrote a book based upon years of contacts, research and interactions. To read more about the Verdants go to my book Alien Mind - a Primer (free on the web) at: www.eyepod.org...

Start with chapter 5. The Verdants are quite a story yet pose a real dilemma for humans. They say they lead the gray's alignment of abducting aliens.

*Note: the link above is the old version of my book. To read the new version (after May 10 '07), go to www.alienmindbook.org...

...seems like one person on thread, (I don't recall if the OP read or not) read this book and didn't like it, personally, I think it is an easy route out of any claim -- that 'terror' prevented disclosure from happening. Should that be the case, here we are, tens of thousands of dead people later, killers still in control -- um, where's the 'light beings' and the rest of the Federation? Their 'updates' are the same couple paragraphs re-written month to month -- I doubt any of this to be true -- has anyone else read this book? Heard similar claims?