Phil Krapf: 9-11 Halted Alien Disclosure

The thread below discusses the existence (or not) of a 'space federation'. The best parts are toward the end of the thread.

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..The postings of ATS member gl2 prompted me to read Phillip Krapf's book, "The Challenge of Contact". This is the second of two books describing his teleportation to a spaceship that is harbored on the dark side of the moon. Having just finished this book, I am curious to know why there is so little discussion of Phillip Krapf here on ATS. Krapf mentions that some folks in the UFO community see him as an uninvited outsider and that members of the long time UFO community reacted with jealousy at the idea that a 30-year old newspaper man who had written against the idea of aliens would be chosen as the textual message bearer of alien visitors and their plan to assist us.

Also, there are people who have advised Krapf that the Verdants are actually colonialists. Apparently there is a real group of folks who are extremely devoted to the idea of obstructing and purposefully derailing any peaceful attempt of aliens to communicate with Earth. User gl2 has posted some very interesting comments about the rough dimensions of the Verdant areas of the galaxy (27,000 planets in the federation, according to the books) and he mentions that the universe is much larger than what area the Verdants claim to have explored.

In any case, Krapf was given permission by the Verdant Federation to post his August 23rd, 2001 press release that the Verdant's Contact was coming. Just 19 days later, 9/11 happened. Krapf reports that this caused the Verdants to reappraise our species' suitablity for space travel.

As one of the Verdants says in Krapf's book:

"You foolish people will not be going into space, I guarantee you that. And, quite frankly, I think you are going to blow yourselves up. We've seen it before."

My question is two part: (1) Do you believe Krapf's story, and if so, do you have any comments on what he says about his acceptance by the UFO community? and (2) Do you, more or less, believe his claim that 9/11 interrupted the Verdant's 'Contact' with us? Is it possible that his text release in August was part of the catalyst for 9/11?

[edit on 18-4-2005 by smallpeeps]

ETs are knee deep in conspiracy since they have created some of it themselves. They most likely know the real score of any weirdness or secretive criminality that goes on with this planet. Its my opinion that since the official story of 9/11 already has so many holes known by the public that ETs would likely come to a conclusion similar to what earthly conspiracy theorists have concluded. That being that the terror attacks of 09/11/01 could not have happened without U.S. government complicity in allowing it to happen or actually causing some or all of the events to take place. Therefore why would ETs change their opinion on any type or timeline of disclosure when the same criminal hoodwinking that has gone on with the subject of ETs happened with 9/11 as well? The public again was duped and cannot be held accountable when their own leaders are liars and criminals. If anything, it should make ETs speed up their disclosure if they are truly concerned about the earth because the public will continue to be hoodwinked until they're all dead from wars or environmental destruciton.

Now since our race is rather warlike, I wouldn't imagine ETs wanting a lot of us off the planet since their own security could be compromised. However if their concerns are simply for continued earth and human survival, then it would be in their best interest to initiate contact and eliminate those problems or at least bring public awareness about them so that the problems can have an attempt to be resolved.

As a result, I really don't think I can hold Krapf's story with any veracity. ETs should be thinking exactly the opposite as a result of the events of 9/11, and not deciding to back away from disclosure. Our leaders are going to get us all killed and basically the only way to get the public to snap out of their collective delusion and realize it is to have something grandiose like ET disclosure end the lies once and for all.

[edit on 18-4-2005 by Frith]

Originally posted by smallpeeps

My question is two part: (1) Do you believe Krapf's story, and if so, do you have any comments on what he says about his acceptance by the UFO community?

I do not believe one iota of Krapf's story. He is obviously capitalizing on what so many poor people want and need to know about. He's smart enough at journalism and knowledgeable enough about the UFO field to do it. He is deliberately fueling disinformation for his own gain, and therefore supported by special interest groups and their agents whose jobs are to publicly agree with him. He put himself in glory by offering himself to the opposing team as a dive.

I think that in any group or community, there is jealousy and ostracizing when a knowledgeable person arrives and their contribution threatens to disrupt the hierarchy. In the UFO community, there are false claimants and disinformation agents hovering around the lead, acting as sentries against newcomers who may threaten the balance of confusion in the groups. Krapf and his friends know that the blatant truth does not fit in with the groups, it sounds too strange to the groupies, and is not even professionally welcome.

Krapf is claiming to be experiencing something within ufo circles that he knows people who really know the aliens experience. But, people who really know the aliens, also know what Krapf is doing! All of these things are what people DO- it's human nature. These kinds of behaviors are about the structure of any group, not about the aliens. It's why we love to watch soap operas, talk shows and reality TV.

Krapf also happens to be born an alien experiencer. However, he got none of his bogus information from his alien contacts, and none of the alien races support or encourage any disinformation, or those who create it. If you can't carry an important message with integrity, you don't get to be a messenger, no matter how bad you want it.

Any truth in Krapf's stories is accidental, stolen, or lent by Earth Powers to help gather him a following.

and (2) Do you, more or less, believe his claim that 9/11 interrupted the Verdant's 'Contact' with us? Is it possible that his text release in August was part of the catalyst for 9/11?

Nothing is effectively interfering with the steady ongoing increases of contact that the alien races are building with Earth through individual humans. The events of 9-11 slowed all contact for a while, though. In fact, all the visiting races left Earth to go home to visit their families as humanity was about to become preoccupied with the attacks and aftermath. Only skeleton crews remained, which is normal every year through our largest holiday season- the usual time and best opportunity for the alien people to go home.

The alien races monitor so much going on across Earth, that I believe they knew the attacks were going to happen and had already planned on leaving at that time. The way they all left silently also caused me to think that they had known. I understand that they cannot interfere with hardly anything we do on Earth, and that sometimes if certain things do not happen, certain other even worse things will happen instead. If they could have stopped it, they would have stopped it, and all of our other stupid, primitive problems too.

The alien races are already here. They are not coming by way of Krapf any more than they are coming by way of Rael. When you suddenly see them, don't assume they just got here, or that their presence proves any human's personal or organized claims.

EarthSister: Why would Krapf change his life so drastically? He hasn't gained any friends or money as a result. When he wrote his book, he gave up a long and respected career and a certain amount of credibility. Why would he make it up? What is to gain?


EDIT: I screwed up the original post and it's too late to edit it. I said "a 30-year old newspaper man" when what I meant was that Krapf had been in the industry for 30+ years, not that he was 30 years old. D'oh!

The media is part and parcel of the UFO/ET coverup. Krapf having gone through an entire 30 year career as a journalist had to have played by the rules of the media. That being that there could be no serious independent UFO/ET investigations. The media has taken this subject the same way they do with other government controversies. They have accepted official government statements and left it at that with questions few and far between. He played the game the way he was told to which is why his career in journalism wasn't cut short. With the media being part of the problem, there is no reason to think that Krapf isn't part of the problem as well due to his background.

Gary Webb. The very journalist you have as your avatar, smallpeeps, found out all too well what happens when you question the government. The subject of UFOs/ETs is the very top of the list of criminal coverups. So to believe Krapf is stating the truth on the subject given his long career in the media industry you also have to believe that Krapf and the media groups he worked for were 100% honest and did their jobs the way they should concerning this subject.

[edit on 20-4-2005 by Frith]

Originally posted by smallpeeps
EarthSister: Why would Krapf change his life so drastically? He hasn't gained any friends or money as a result. When he wrote his book, he gave up a long and respected career and a certain amount of credibility. Why would he make it up? What is to gain?

Krapf knows things as a journalist and an alien experiencer. He knows something about the magnitude of the cover-up, and why. And he got impatient for a big story. So he jumped the gun and pushed ahead and made one up. He gains fame, and gets to make money. He will always be known now, but not always in good ways.

So to believe Krapf is stating the truth on the subject given his long career in the media industry you also have to believe that Krapf and the media groups he worked for were 100% honest and did their jobs the way they should concerning this subject.

Yes, but psychology tells us that we can adopt beliefs that we don't necessarily agree with. Sometimes ignorance itself is enough to keep a person on a single mental track for an entire lifetime. Some people have been Catholics for decades and it's all they know. Some of these would not be Catholic if they were placed in a different environment.

It is not inconceivable that Krapf was simple a normal human who as a reporter, never really looked deeply into aliens. He said himself that he had actually written debunking-type pieces about UFOs and was known as a non-believer. Now, suddenly he (1) believes in UFOs, (2) now has awareness of a past life he has lived, although he is not a believer in rebirth/samsara, (3) went from being an atheist to accepting the idea of God and also conversing with his "guardian angel", in the flesh.

Why would he write a book about these three things (I think the first book also has some sexual encounter with an alien female) if he didn't believe them? Is he on the payroll of some group? Then what are their motives? His books have not made him rich and they have cost him in every facet of his life, from what I can tell. This seems to be the way with many 'experiencers' of aliens.

Let us be clear here: There is a difference between someone who lies on their bedroom floor and 'channels' aliens and a career reporter who actually writes a book about his lifechanging contact and bodily trip to an alien ship.

As for Gary Webb, I took the quote from Wikipedia. Webb is referring to his years as a journalist prior to authoring "Dark Alliance". I'd say that it's very possible that, as Webb said, Krapf had never really penetrated the veil of lies during his 35 years in the news media and so that is why he never believed in aliens. Surely there was a time when Gary Webb didn't believe in conspiracies.

I'm not professing a belief in anything here, I'm inviting people to persuade me on this issue.


[edit on 21-4-2005 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by smallpeeps
It is not inconceivable that Krapf was simple a normal human who as a reporter, never really looked deeply into aliens. He said himself that he had actually written debunking-type papers about UFOs and was known as a non-believer. Now, suddenly he (1) believes in UFOs, (2) now has awareness of a past life he has lived, although he is not a believer in rebirth/samsara, (3) went from being an atheist to accepting the idea of God and also conversing with his "guardian angel", in the flesh.

Why would he write a book about these three things (I think the first book also has some sexual encounter with an alien female) if he didn't believe them? Is he on the payroll of some group? Then what are their motives? His books have not made him rich and they have cost him in every facet of his life, from what I can tell. This seems to be the way with many 'experiencers' of aliens.

Could be that he made a gamble on attempting to capitalize on false ET/UFO information and failed, but is still trying to sucker in people. Could be that he's telling the truth. Or it could be that he is being paid to create disinformation by some government agency irregardless of the effect it has on his credibility. Krapf, as far as I can tell, hasn't really provided evidence other than his stories and his background makes me highly suspect of his reversal in beliefs.

You typed that he created debunking reports for a while during his career. Why would a journalist feel it necessary to debunk a subject that continues to be debunked by government and scientific sources? He was just throwing logs on an already well burning fire. Seems a bit redundant to me and IMO, shows the type of journalist who would be willing to go hog-wild with disinformation if given some secretive cash. You can be a debunker on the subject and not claim disbelief. You can simply make up stories as well.

Obviously if there is a coverup of this subject, it must be huge. Creation of false myths by individuals with some form of credibility would be the way to go if you want to divert the attention of believers in a false direction that leads nowhere. I doubt you can stop the belief of many UFO/ET believers, but you can keep them confused as hell about the subject. I am.

[edit on 20-4-2005 by Frith]

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Let us be clear here: There is a difference between someone who lies on their bedroom floor and 'channels' aliens and a career reporter who actually writes a book about his lifechanging contact and bodily trip to an alien ship.

I'm not certain what you are saying... questioning validity?

[edit on 4/21/05 by w1kdtr1p]

Originally posted by EarthSister
The alien races monitor so much going on across Earth, that I believe they knew the attacks were going to happen and had already planned on leaving at that time. The way they all left silently also caused me to think that they had known.

Why wouldn't they stay around to observe what happened; how humantiy would deal with the crisis? I don't mean to say that they are doing a disservice to humanity, by running away when we need them most.

Perhaps they realize the futility in our ways.

Could you clarify what you meant by your post, ES?

It's nice to know that Aliens are just as bigoted, opinionated, condescending and pretentious as Humanity.

w1kdtr1p

The alien races already know very well how humanity deals with everything. They have always watched and studied their history of us. They were not going to learn anything especially new by watching this one. There was no reason for every alien person to stay and helplessly, uselessly witness our loss of life and suffering when they could be in the embrace of their own instead. Only a skeleton crew needs to stay here to hold the fort for all of them.

Each of the beings who works here is far away from home and only visits family once or twice a year for a short time. They have to live here to work here because of the time and distance of travel. When the 9-11 attacks occurred, humanity was overcome and preoccupied by it, so not a lot of progression was going to be happening in the efforts of human-alien interaction. It was an opportunity for many of the alien beings to take vacation and go home early.

Yes, they realize the futility in our ways. But they also realize great potential in us that we do not yet. Each of their races is a testimony to them that we too can overcome our primitive atrocities. When we realize this, it will be a testimony to us too.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Let us be clear here: There is a difference between someone who lies on their bedroom floor and 'channels' aliens and a career reporter who actually writes a book about his lifechanging contact and bodily trip to an alien ship.

I'm not certain what you are saying... questioning validity?

I'm saying that there are a lot of people who want to describe their "Contact" with aliens but there are some people who have actually sacrificed professional contacts, etc in order to tell their story. Those who profess to speak for aliens but for whom that contact has not come at personal cost to themselves are less credible, IMO.

For example, if I go into a trance state and describe how aliens communicate with me, I haven't really lost any credibility because I am not in the "non-believer" crowd and so there's no risk to my reputation, professional credibility, etc. Krapf, however, DID lose credibility and friends, etc. in order to tell his story. It seems somewhat short-shrift to just say "he got paid off". To me, his story of contact seems more detailed and lucid than most.

Personally, I don't believe that an advanced alien life form would end a sentence with a preposition.

Originally posted by EarthSister
He is deliberately fueling disinformation for his own gain

Isn't that what you do as well with your own little alien scam? He makes money. You seem to get some emotional, quasi-spiritual satisfaction having people believe you speak to aliens and spiritual entities. Does gain always have to mean money in the UFO community?

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Krapf, however, DID lose credibility and friends, etc. in order to tell his story. It seems somewhat short-shrift to just say "he got paid off". To me, his story of contact seems more detailed and lucid than most.

You're assuming, of course, that he doesn't care about money. People in the music business constantly make deals that they lose contacts, contracts and friends over. It's called business. It sounds like you WANT to believe he isn't getting paid good enough money for him to sever ties with friends and business contacts.

Over the years, the UFO community has become a big huge, 3 ring circus filled with tons of gullible, stupid, emotionally/spiritually needy & impulsive "believers" willing to ride on the next big elephant that crosses their path. If that means coughing up $20 for a tape and $15 for a book...so be it. Perhaps it'll prove what they've wanted to believe all along!! Why is it so hard for you to believe Krapf is simply scamming, like most do?

Originally posted by smallpeeps

I'm saying that there are a lot of people who want to describe their "Contact" with aliens but there are some people who have actually sacrificed professional contacts, etc in order to tell their story. Those who profess to speak for aliens but for whom that contact has not come at personal cost to themselves are less credible, IMO.

We all lose friends when we step out of the socially/politically acceptable way of life to speak out for or against something different that we believe in. We are not supposed to do that. We are all supposed to follow the norm. All throughout history at every major shift in human awareness, individual people paid dearly in sacrifices, even with their freedom and their lives, for all their efforts to teach and make changes. Just because Krapf "seems" to have lost personal and professional support due to his claims, that does not in itself suggest that his claims are true.

To me, his story of contact seems more detailed and lucid than most.

That's only because you do not know personally for yourself about the alien races. If you knew the alien races, you would see right through Krapf's claims as well as I do. There would be no way to fool you. Of course, any person could tell you simply that he had an alien experience and you would not be able to tell if he was lying or not, and neither would I. But when he starts giving details of things you already know for yourself, it becomes obvious. But if you tell others what you know, you automatically become incredible too, no matter what you say.

You (and all) hear so much different and conflicting information being fed to you, that all of it sounds the same kind of crazy to you, understandably. This is by design for the purpose of your confusion. You know that some of it must be right, so you keep listening to all the disinformation, taking it all in. In all the confusion, you can only rely on other ways of figuring out people and their claims, and here is where so many go wrong-- by using the familiar socially and politically correct ways to make a personal assessment of something extraordinary. You are set up to be easily duped.

For instance, if lots of people keep repeating that they have heard from well-known professional people that aliens live inside of Earth, you will believe more in its validity because so many others hear it and believe it too. When somebody who actually knows something true and conflicting tells you otherwise, that does not sound true to you, or it does not matter much since it's all the same to you anyway. You would rather go with the more popular and correct ideas. In the end, you still don't know anything yourself, but you don't believe the truth because you can't even recognize it, and you support the spreading of disinformation along with everybody else. If you eventually actually spot and alien craft or have a personal alien experience, that makes you believe even more in the disinformation.

People buy products by the influence of the most compelling advertising and commercialism. Repetition, jingles, good feelings, scary feelings, famous and good looking people on the label, sex of course, violence, holy goodness, whatever.

People will believe anybody that knows the tricks of advertising and the human psyche, as long as they don't know anything true for themselves. In fact, the people still prefer the popularity to the truth, to be told what to believe, and remain inside the safety of the norm.

The people still do not even know why they should care about the truth about the visitation of advanced races to our planet, or what to do about it if they do care.

Originally posted by Preest

Originally posted by EarthSister
He is deliberately fueling disinformation for his own gain

Isn't that what you do as well with your own little alien scam? He makes money. You seem to get some emotional, quasi-spiritual satisfaction having people believe you speak to aliens and spiritual entities. Does gain always have to mean money in the UFO community?

I am honest, and make no personal gain. Few people believe me but that is not what matters most.

I speak out about what I know from my personal experience and what I am learning from the alien races in order to help others, whether they "get it" today, or tomorrow, or in ten years. Whether it's happening to them or a loved one, or will at some future time. I do it to help the alien races as well. It's a two way relationship being built between our worlds. There are much greater and more important things to be gained for all of humanity by education about other life, than any fame or money a person could ever be paid for helping to teach it.

It's not the respect and support I get from humans that makes me feel good about what I do, that's for sure. It's something else, obviously invisible to you.

That's only because you do not know personally for yourself about the alien races. If you knew the alien races, you would see right through Krapf's claims as well as I do.

Well how can I be more like you and thereby 'know personally" about the alien races? Is it a method I could study and learn? Actually, could you provide proof that you know about these races before I do study under you? Do you have more proof than Phil Krapf?

What have you personally sacrificed to become an 'experiencer'? It is equal to what Krapf has sacrificed, career-wise? I know you think he's getting rich but his book only sells for around twelve bucks. Is it his book that makes him a "sell-out"? Do you reject him because he took money and therefore see yourself as being more credible due to your profit-free message? I am curious.

[edit on 22-4-2005 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by smallpeeps

In any case, Krapf was given permission by the Verdant Federation to post his August 23rd, 2001 press release that the Verdant's Contact was coming. Just 19 days later, 9/11 happened. Krapf reports that this caused the Verdants to reappraise our species' suitaup. blity for space travel.

As one of the Verdants says in Krapf's book:

"You foolish people will not be going into space, I guarantee you that. And, quite frankly, I think you are going to blow yourselves We've seen it before."

(2) Do you, more or less, believe his claim that 9/11 interrupted the Verdant's 'Contact' with us? Is it possible that his text release in August was part of the catalyst for 9/11?

[edit on 18-4-2005 by smallpeeps]

i just skimmed this thread so hope it hasnt been addressed already.
i know nothing about him or what he alledges other than what you have said.
it seems to me that that is just an assumption without much evidence. how can one event like that cause 'Verdants' to 'reappraise' our species 'suitability for space travel'?
i dont think that is something worth disscussing because it is pure allegation without explanation or logical reasoning.