Putin on brink as Kremlin infighting erupts over 'crashing' economy and food shortages

originally posted by: nugget1

This maybe the route Putin will have to go, he may end up possibly selling parcels of Russian land to the Chinese?

That's what the US is doing! You could switch 'USA' for the word 'Russia' and it would still apply.

I’ll go one step further and predict that Xi and the CCP choose to take on a fight that they can actually win and will ultimately pull a fast one and invade eastern Russia. Not only will this get them a LOT of land a resources, it would also help them curry favor with much of the rest of the world in the process. An invasion of Taiwan is an un-winnable proposition for the CCP. They just can’t DO it, no matter how much they want to. But the rapid military build-up isn’t only for show. The handful of other nations who side with Russia only do so because they still see Russia as a super power. They ain’t. Iran, DPRK, Syria, Belarus… they will all step aside and let Xi try to roll over Eastern Russia and the rest of the civilized world will as well because they will just be happy that SOMEONE has decided to put Russia in their place once and for all.

China and Russia are both in a full-fledged demographic and economic collapse and they have to do something big to reverse their current course. Russia tried in Ukraine and they are failing miserably. China has one shot to save what they still have…

a reply to: Owlwatcher

You can't believe anything our Government says about Russia or Ukraine, you just can't.

It's funny, you say that whilst we in the west have a fairly free media to post what ever they want, You only have to look at sites like bitchute or the Washington Post to see the big difference, yet make no mention of the totally state owned and controlled Russian media, thats only allowed to post Russian propaganda??

I've posted for and against my country aswell as other western countries on this site, also posting articles that are for or against my own government. On the opposite of that, you have a small Russian membership who only ever post propaganda supporting the totalatarian Russian goverment and always trashing the west.

originally posted by: FloridaManMatty

originally posted by: nugget1

This maybe the route Putin will have to go, he may end up possibly selling parcels of Russian land to the Chinese?

That's what the US is doing! You could switch 'USA' for the word 'Russia' and it would still apply.

I’ll go one step further and predict that Xi and the CCP choose to take on a fight that they can actually win and will ultimately pull a fast one and invade eastern Russia.

That's absolutely not happening. I dunno what Youtuber you got the idea from, but they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

And it's not because Xi is particularly loyal to Putin. It's just not in his best interest to try to invade a nuclear power, particularly when they're on the back foot like Russia is right now.

a reply to: Kurokage

There are more reliable sources than the Express.

The Express is where you go if you want to know what happened on an afternoon quiz show.

originally posted by: FloridaManMatty


I’ll go one step further and predict that Xi and the CCP choose to take on a fight that they can actually win and will ultimately pull a fast one and invade eastern Russia. Not only will this get them a LOT of land a resources, it would also help them curry favor with much of the rest of the world in the process.

Less likely than it was in the late 60s. Much less likely.

China is playing the long game. It won't risk alienating the BRICS and developing world by picking a fight with Russia,

a reply to: Kurokage

Imo Putin's been holding out for Trump to win and give him a sweet deal on Ukraine. If Harris wins, then anything can happen, as Putin gets desperate.

Destroying Kiev, to tactical nukes, using the West's acceptance of Israel having already done the same to Gaza and now turning that on Lebanon?

Or, if he's promised swing voters among potential usurpers in his inner circle to wait for POTUS Trump 2.0, then a Trump loss will be the trigger for that insurrection.

If the latter unfolds, then i'd suggest that before celebrating Putin's exit, we should remember that there's no guarantees on the state of mind of his replacement

originally posted by: BasicResearchMethods

originally posted by: FloridaManMatty


I’ll go one step further and predict that Xi and the CCP choose to take on a fight that they can actually win and will ultimately pull a fast one and invade eastern Russia. Not only will this get them a LOT of land a resources, it would also help them curry favor with much of the rest of the world in the process.

Less likely than it was in the late 60s. Much less likely.

China is playing the long game. It won't risk alienating the BRICS and developing world by picking a fight with Russia,

Do you really think Russia still has any strategic nukes that it can actually deliver? Honestly, the more time goes by and the more Putin and his folks threaten nuclear intervention, the less I am inclined to believe they can actually do it. Frankly, I’d argue that any nuclear weapons they DO have are Soviet-era and have been maintained about as well as their reserves of tanks and rifles (either not very well or not at all). Nukes are expensive to maintain. Putin and his ilk have been embezzling every penny they can find for the last 25 years.

I may be wrong. Probably am. But I’m never that uptight about being correct. I prefer to play these “what if” games to keep the bean in trim and to start some conversations that don’t involve American Presidential politics. My father taught me that when it comes to international conflict, usually the most absurd possible thing you can think up is more correct than you may initially believe. On 9/13/01, he told me that if we entered Afghanistan, “we won’t leave for twenty years”. And I laughed at the ol’ boy, forgetting he had spent 24 months in the Vietnamese highlands with 5th group.

Fact is, Poland, Sweden, and Estonia could invade Russia TODAY, and they’d be holding ground in Moscow by Christmas.

originally posted by: BasicResearchMethods
a reply to: Kurokage

There are more reliable sources than the Express.

The Express is where you go if you want to know what happened on an afternoon quiz show.

How about talking about the Russian economy, and the 21% interest rate, or the extortionate food costs, which can all be provenout on the internet without the 'newspaper' article?

a reply to: FloridaManMatty

Frankly, I’d argue that any nuclear weapons they DO have are Soviet-era and have been maintained about as well as their reserves of tanks and rifles (either not very well or not at all). Nukes are expensive to maintain. Putin and his ilk have been embezzling every penny they can find for the last 25 years.

I also wonder at the state of Russian Nukes and it's ability to deliver fiery radioactive death. Putin does seem to like threatening nuclear distruction on a daily basis with his constant moving red lines, is he a bluffer? The trouble is even if only half his nukes raise to the occasion then the destruction caused will be dreadful and lead to retaliatory strikes.

Because that topic is like : Russia Bad, in the same vein as Orange man bad. I'd like to share some input from Chatgpt (because I'm no economist, and both sides needs to be explained)

High interest rates, like the 21% rate Russia recently set, can have both benefits and drawbacks, depending on the economic goals and context.

Potential Benefits

1. Curbing Inflation: High interest rates make borrowing more expensive, which can cool off consumer and business spending. This reduction in demand can help bring down inflation, which has been a significant issue for Russia recently.


2. Supporting the Currency: A high interest rate can attract foreign investors looking for high returns, which boosts demand for the currency. For Russia, this could mean a stronger ruble, which may help mitigate import costs and bolster international reserves.


3. Encouraging Savings: With higher returns on deposits, consumers may save more, reducing demand-pull inflationary pressures.



Drawbacks

1. Slowing Economic Growth: High borrowing costs discourage investment and spending, which can slow down economic growth and impact employment. This effect could be harsh in a challenging economic environment with limited growth prospects.


2. Rising Costs for Households and Businesses: For consumers with loans or businesses relying on credit, high rates mean higher debt servicing costs, potentially leading to defaults or bankruptcy in severe cases.


3. Pressure on Government Debt: If the government has significant domestic debt, it may face increased costs for borrowing, which could strain public finances.



So, while a 21% rate can stabilize the ruble and lower inflation, it may also constrain growth and strain the financial resilience of consumers and businesses. The policy's effectiveness will largely depend on the balance the central bank can strike between stabilizing prices and supporting the economy.

Looks alarming at first sight, but let's see how it rolls out in the future 🤷🏻‍♂️

a reply to: Kurokage

Ha'ha!

a reply to: Popoll

Looks alarming at first sight, but let's see how it rolls out in the future

You haven't taken into account the economy being on a war footing, All investment is being funneled into the war and weapons building which has already constrained domestic growth and slowed the economy in other areas.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Kurokage

Ha'ha!

Sent you a PM....

originally posted by: FloridaManMatty

originally posted by: BasicResearchMethods

originally posted by: FloridaManMatty


I’ll go one step further and predict that Xi and the CCP choose to take on a fight that they can actually win and will ultimately pull a fast one and invade eastern Russia. Not only will this get them a LOT of land a resources, it would also help them curry favor with much of the rest of the world in the process.

Less likely than it was in the late 60s. Much less likely.

China is playing the long game. It won't risk alienating the BRICS and developing world by picking a fight with Russia,

Do you really think Russia still has any strategic nukes that it can actually deliver?

Do you really think a great way to find out is just to go ahead and attack them in a way that, if they had them, they'd use them?

Awfully big consequences if you're wrong.

a reply to: YourFaceAgain

Do you really think a great way to find out is just to go ahead and attack them in a way that, if they had them, they'd use them?

Awfully big consequences if you're wrong.

Putin has threatened Nuclear retaliation for crossing his 'redlines' but he's moved them time and time again.
Even though most of us don't want a nuclear war, we still need to stand up to totalatarian goverments threatening sovereign countries with attack and invasion.

Illegal war? Russia has a right to defend itself against the opressive NATO and US war machine. Learn your history bud, you're way out of bounds. Look at the US when you're talking illegal wars. They've been everywhere F'ing up the entire world and the entire world is sick and tired of the worlds bully. Hahah.a reply to: Kurokage

a reply to: 320MPH

So? Russia defended itself from NATO because it went to war with the BS statement of Ukraine Nazis?

a reply to: 320MPH

Illegal war? Russia has a right to defend itself against the opressive NATO and US war machine. Learn your history bud, you're way out of bounds.

Putin illegally invaded Ukraine 'Bud' and can you please post some credible info of NATO attacking Russia?

Budapest Memorandum....

The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance, prohibited Russia, the United States and the United Kingdom from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.

I think it's you who need a lesson in history and maybe manners too.....

When I look at Russia's public transportation compared to American it makes me question the validity of such articles.

I mean Russia's economy still grew 5% in 2023 even after being removed from the swift banking system.

I wish more Americans cared about the corruption in America as much as they do in places like Russia or Iran. It's not like the majority of the globe doesn't see our government as a terrorist entity.

a reply to: JAY1980

If you'd like to talk about hate of America and it's economy problems maybe start a thread? Suprisingly, not everything is about America???

This is thread about the 21% interest rate in Russia and how Sergei Mironov, the leader of the party “A Just Russia - For Truth" pointed out that Russian interest rates were now on a par with those in Angola and Zimbabwe.

Russian economy grew because of the funding from it's war footing and funneling funds into it's military manufacturing.