Iran Sympathizers in Biden Admin Leak Intelligence on Israel Attack Plans

a reply to: CriticalStinker

But attempts at diplomacy don’t always equate to being an apologist for an adversary.

I've noticed your posts lately, which I think are underrated and not given enough attention. Unfortunately, I was always too late and pages had already passed.

Taking Russia as an example, former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder spoke to Putin at Zelensky's request. The media were more concerned with urging Schröder to distance himself from Putin than with seeing that a moral statement from him would have burned the last bridges to Putin.

Schröder put it beautifully: "On such a level, you don't come with the moral cudgel if you want to work out a solution, I ask you to use your common sense. If I were to comment on that, well, maybe I can be useful again in this crisis, maybe I can't do that if I answer your question?"

One can now ask whether such dynamics are being forced on purpose and whether the reporters don't know exactly what they are doing... or what is the case here.

And to say something on the subject. One can't say that the USA isn't a good partner for Israel. That's also known in Europe. How much of that is a projection of geopolitical power is debatable. The USA is Israel's best ally. Proven by the actions you list.

a reply to: Naftalin

We could go back further and find an even more extreme example IMO. During the 80’s, arguably one of the peaks of the Cold War, Reagan who was considered a hawk against the soviets began talks with Gorbachev. At the time, they were an enemy we just about thought were ready to end the world. There were several close calls, yet we came together to start some dialogue which proved to pay dividends.

That’s in hindsight, and it doesn’t always work. But when writing the history of failed diplomacy, it’s typically written in less blood.

It didn’t work in the case of Iran, but I also don’t think thats what ultimately tipped the scales to make 10/07 happen. There was a lot leading up to that, decades and decades. Did some of that money probably get used? Sure. Could they have done it without that money, probably.

a reply to: CriticalStinker
If someone is looking for a way, they will find it, with or without support. The question of effectiveness remains, but otherwise I agree.

It is also clear that the path of conducting a conversation does not always lead to the goal. That is not a guarantee, it is true. I would always try to talk to people first, at least that doesn't cost human lives. It is the more humanitarian way.

Unfortunately, I have missed that a lot recently. In general, politics seems to be getting more corrupt, more flimsy. Somehow, politicians are no longer making a secret of how we as a mass are being manipulated and controlled. As a smoker, I can only give the example of tobacco tax, which is increased every year. That is why an addict like me doesn't stop smoking. That is known. Officially. And yet tobacco is made more expensive so that people finally stop smoking. Huh?

All these discrepancies, where actions do not match words. So it seems unproductive to me to blame individual money flows here. Even I am well aware that geopolitically people like to say that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You obviously know a lot more about world history than I do, so I can't answer as detailed as I would like. I hope that was understandable.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: hangedman13

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: WeMustCare

That was frozen bank assets that we had for part of the nuclear deal.

It was failed diplomacy, but we didn’t “give” them money. We unfroze it.

People act like that tipped the scale and created the environment in the Middle East now… but the reality is the toppling of Saddam created a power vacuum in the Middle East allowing Iran to consolidate power.

No it was not. That money was from the previous regime. It had nothing to do with the current regimes nuclear program, until it was used to pay them from allegedly stopping that program. Which they did not do!

It was frozen Iranian assets. I never said from which regime.

The US started the Iranian nuclear program in the 60’s. We built them a nuclear reactor.

Not everything can be boiled down to the last decade, much less two.

Everyone is so hell bent on figuring out how every geopolitical matter translates to US domestic 2 party politics. It’s rarely that easy.

there is a clear difference between the way the two parties view Iran. You can pretend it's not there, and bloviate about spending till the cows come home, but for the future of the nation, it might be a good time to put aside your anger, and look at this from an outside in perspective. Trump can be just another over spender, or out of the picture, but Iran is still an issue that needs to be dealt with. And the left doesn't seem interested in upsetting the Muslims in the ME. I still wonder what the people of Iran want. I can't imagine it's war with everyone, but that seems to be the current posture.

you used to post much more thought provoking things when you weren't so political. I'm just the same douche bag I've always been. I hope you can move past this in a few weeks.

Good, gooood. So Iran will be looking in the wrong place. I like it. Maybe there is still some intelligence at work.

a reply to: network dude

I’d argue I became less political. I view them as two sides of a similar coin.

Part of that was because of the double speak I saw.

I was and am very anti Obama. The added conflict and debt was something that made Trump appealing to me. We all agreed that the new battlefields were just asking for something to get out of hand, and budget.

But then the groups I were with kind of dialed back the debt talk because it would bring in both parties.

Now it’s reminiscent of the freedom fries talk pre Iraq. It’s a contest to which party can come off more hawkish.

I think Iran should be dealt with, but I’d argue whether we have to deal with Iran. It’s more of a threat to Israel, which we’ve been supporting. But we don’t have any treaties with them, and last I checked they’ve never helped us out with our wars.

Israel is a good ally in the region, and the closest thing to a free country. But we don’t “have” to do anything for them. We helped make them, defend them, and funded them more than any other country. There’s a constant debate we have to do things on their terms, we’re not their client state. I’m all for helping so long as we’re not getting talked down to.

I’ve never engaged in calling Trump a Putin apologist because I found the premise hyperbolic. Same applies here. I don’t think anyone in a position of power has been pro Iran. There’s better ways to argue against the current admin than stretching the truth.

Look at the title “ Iran Sympathizers in Biden Admin Leak Intelligence on Israel Attack Plans”. Then the snippet in OP points out all of five eyes had this intel. If this thread was allegations against Trump in a similar vein with a title state so matter of fact, they’d be shredded. But it flies because people hate the current admin more than they care about truth.

I can dislike Biden and Trump while still attempting to have fact based debates. So can everyone.

a reply to: YourFaceAgain

I wonder how the people involved in this spying ring has been allowed to even get their hands on classified information at the pentagon.

Is the US that vulnerable to the point that our secrets are actually open books.

I know is always spies roaming around looking for deals, is also known that many will sell their grandmothers for the right amount of money.

But this is beyond that, this is a big dangerous problem. We as well post on the liberal media all the US working secrets at the moment because they are already terrorist sponsoring countries common knowledge.

Democrats love kissing Palestinian terrorist butts in the US, I wonder how many are working at the pentagon right now too.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: KrustyKrab

Obama didn't "give" them the money. Iran went to an International Tribunal. And instead of possibly have to pay Iran billions of dollars if we fought them in the tribunal. They decided to settle. So it's a catch 22 situation. Pay them the 400 million or perhaps pay them billions. What would you have liked to have happened?

Look at it however you want, he gave them 1.7 billion cash no matter how you slice it. It was a agreement/settlement. It certainly wasn’t a loan.

originally posted by: bluesman023
There are a Huge Number of Criminals in DC that should be tried for Treason.
Biden and crew for sure.
a reply to: charlest2

2nd!

It was from a nation of Terrorists that needed that money to wage major war on the ME.

Who cares about a terrorist organizations money being taken?


NOT ME!

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: WeMustCare

That was frozen bank assets that we had for part of the nuclear deal.

It was failed diplomacy, but we didn’t “give” them money. We unfroze it.

People act like that tipped the scale and created the environment in the Middle East now… but the reality is the toppling of Saddam created a power vacuum in the Middle East allowing Iran to consolidate power.

a reply to: network dude

I know many Iranian Engineers and their families. They want to raise their kids like their parents raised them under the Shaw's rule and the Mullah's destroyed that for them. They want this to end peacefully, because the grandmothers and cousins are stuck in Iran under tyranny. Several of them have told me not to tell one or two in particular a damn thing because they might use it against their family's trapped back home with a constant boot on their throats.

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: network dude

I know many Iranian Engineers and their families. They want to raise their kids like their parents raised them under the Shaw's rule and the Mullah's destroyed that for them.

Knew one down the Nat West bank years ago. I'm not kidding she was so beautiful I could hardly speak when being served. Like incredible beauty. Not like sexy beautiful just like a piece of art perfected. Like looking at an AC Cobra and knowing full well they just got that design right. If Iranian women are largely like her it will a terrible shame if millions are killed due to the Mullahs and their meddling abroad in the affairs of others and getting involved in nuke development when their track record has proven them to be not ready for this people mass killing weapon. Just hope Israel's promised "surprise" is something like the pager attack on Hezbollah and spares the Iranian people

How I see this May play out.
US is unhappy with Israel.
they are a dog that has turnd on its master. USA.
Israel is suposed to do US dirty work!

Iran is made to look Like they fire a nuc and hits Israel.
Israel fire an nuc back!

Both fire from USA subs!

a reply to: KrustyKrab

There is no other way to look at it. Anything else is just trying to ascribe blame where there is none. That money was going to Iran one way or another. So it was either give them a smaller settlement now. Or continue litigation and run the risk of giving them billions more. Looking at it any other way is just political BS and not based in reality.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: KrustyKrab

There is no other way to look at it. Anything else is just trying to ascribe blame where there is none. That money was going to Iran one way or another. So it was either give them a smaller settlement now. Or continue litigation and run the risk of giving them billions more. Looking at it any other way is just political BS and not based in reality.

lol, they owed us 55.6 billion dollars at the time. I assume you’re unaware of that?

I think your conflating the 1.7 billion with the 50-150 billion of unfrozen funds we released.

The $1.7 billion was the settlement of a decades-old arbitration claim between the U.S. and Iran. An initial $400 million of euros, Swiss francs and other foreign currency was delivered on pallets Jan. 17, the same day Tehran agreed to release four American prisoners. The Obama administration had claimed the events were separate, but recently acknowledged the cash was used as leverage until the Americans were allowed to leave Iran. The remaining $1.3 billion represented estimated interest on the Iranian cash the U.S. had held since the 1970s. The administration had previously declined to say if the interest was delivered to Iran in physical cash, as with the principal, or via a more regular banking mechanism.

The money came from a little-known fund administered by the Treasury Department for settling litigation claims. The so-called Judgment Fund is taxpayer money Congress has permanently approved in the event it’s needed, allowing the president to bypass direct congressional approval to make a settlement. The U.S. previously paid out $278 million in Iran-related claims by using the fund in 1991. Republicans have decried the payments as ransom, a charge the Obama administration has rejected. On Tuesday, a group of Republican senators announced their support for legislation that would bar payments from the Judgment Fund to Iran until Tehran pays the nearly $55.6 billion that U.S. courts have judged that it owes to American victims of Iranian terrorism.

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Senior Pentagon Employee Named as Leaker of Israeli Retaliatory Strike Plans to Iran – Was Previously Outed as Iran Spy But Was Kept on Anyway

A Pentagon official told Sky News in Arabic that the investigation being conducted by intelligence agencies in Washington into the leaking to Tehran documents of the IDF plan to strike Iran has begun to indicate “suspicion” of the involvement of a senior employee in the Pentagon.

The American official added that the employee suspected of leaking the documents is an American of Iranian origin named Ariane Tabatabai.

Ariane Tabatabai is an Iranian-American scholar of political science, writer, and senior policy advisor to the United States Department of Defense. After the Biden administration took office in January 2021, she joined the US negotiating team in nuclear negotiations with Iran. Between 2021 and 2022, she served as an advisor to Robert Malley, the chief promoter of pushing a deal with Iran at any cost.

Members of the US Congress, especially Republicans, have pointed out that Robert Malley was investigated after being suspected of having dealt with classified information without prior permission and of having secret contacts with Iranian figures.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

No. This was from the international tribunal case. Has nothing to do with the US courts cases. Two different issues.

a reply to: xuenchen

Another brilliant move by the Israelis setting up a mole hunt. 👌
That dumb lady took the bait.
Send her to gitmo for awhile before her hanging.

ETA: In September 2023, several U.S senators have expressed their concerns about Ariane Tabatabai, blaming her for collaborating with the Iranian regime.

Yet, the Biden-Harris administration kept her in her job, including clearance to access extremely sensitive information.

Word is that Israel found her because of their spies in Iran, not because anything the Biden Harris administration did on their end.

a reply to: xuenchen

What democrats do for votes, is beyond me, selling America to terrorist countries like Iran, allowing their spies work within our own government and given top secret clearance to get their dirty and hands on secret documents and information.

I guess they just got the vote of the but kissing terrorist Palestinians in the US.

Yep democrats has sold their souls to terrorist.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Israel is going to stop trusting the US or else use the US to leak phony intel to the Iranians.

They already don't trust us. Israel didn't give us this info. This was intelligence the US gathered ourselves because Israel isn't trusting us with their attack plans.