FINALLY! ET Signal from Proxima Centauri confirmed by ESA Astronomers, NASA filmmaker!

Here's Sabine Hossenfelder's take on the news from Simon Holland.

a reply to: gortex

Just another shoe being dropped after being shined up by our human masters as we are slowly moved along to accept aliens as maybe better than anything we can muster. After all, they undoubtedly would have AI programs telling them what to do far better than our puny, new developments aid us.

a reply to: Kurokage

Prof Simon Holland responds to Sabine Hossenfelder's take on the news.

A talks about B on a video, B talks about A in another video.

I don't care about videos, show me verifiable data.

originally posted by: ArMaP
A talks about B on a video, B talks about A in another video.

I don't care about videos, show me verifiable data.

Would you have the skills to verify the verifiable data? What are you looking for, out of interest.

originally posted by: ArMaP
A talks about B on a video, B talks about A in another video.

I don't care about videos, show me verifiable data.

I posted Sabine Hossenfelder's video as she is an actual professor, and hasn't just dismissed it out of hand as others have done. She's tried to remain neutral, showing the evidence for and against till more data is known.

a reply to: gortex

I was reluctant to post in this thread because I believe it to be part of the blanket being thrown to slow the tempo of the world coming to terms with the existence of ETs. You see, there has always been a lot of comfort in hugging Carl Sagan's oft repeated (by him and paraphrasedd words by me here) that "Yes, ETs exist on other star planetary systems, but all of them are too distance to bother with traveling here because of Einstein's Limit on the speed of light, and thus, travel. They would die of old age before they got here, let alone the return trip. Which would be for what purpose anyway?"

The clear fact demonstrated for many decades is that the ETs can alter time. actually STOP time in small, personal ways as in abductions and in their star traveling. Time, to them, becomes irreverent. --Granted, that is a simple fact of life in the Universe that very few humans these days can accept. It is far more unworldly than the even the thought of the existence of beings superior to humans which most humans cannot bear.

There is a popular, old saying (I'll paraphrase) by an astute astronomer that puts that situation in a strong light: "Not only is the Universe more diverse and complicated than what we thought, it is far stranger than we can imagine." Controlling time is the secret of secrets.

(I have a thread on our sister site entitled Secrets of the Ancient Astronauts Wristwatches that explains it all a bit better.)

a reply to: ArMaP
You're right when it comes to verification, seems science is still divided don't want to verify authenticity of the signal yet?

Maybe their waiting for full confirmation or maybe together with uap sightings?

a reply to: CosmicFocus

I expect some will say,"If they have a time-stopping capability, why would they send via our old-fashioned radio waves?"

I suspect the answer to that is they are responding to our evident capabilities since we got "radio-active." They knew that we would search for others and would send out tell-tale signals.

The posts a few years ago by AstroEngineer should not be discarded out of hand. He claimed we had faster-than-light devices on Mars communication with our stations here on earth. So take with a grain of salt or two, any info you receive these days about where we are on the curve of accepting, knowing, and doing fantastic feats. Certainly, TPTB are not going to tell first hand.

a reply to: gortex

How long would you think?

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: gortex

How long would you think?

Impossible to say without knowing who or what they are but we sent out Cosmic Call 1 in 1999 and Cosmic Call 2 in 2003 to nearby Star systems and we are still here , if the signal originated from where it's thought and was sent by an Alien civilisation perhaps it's a response to the signals we sent them.

a reply to: gortex

Pretty Amazing still...

I think a lot of folks think it's like real-time. "Beep! Hello?"..."Hey how are you over there?!"

In fact those sending are still prob gone...

Take care Mr. G. Your reputation precedes you!!! Peace
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a reply to: ARM19688

Exactly what I said, verifiable data, so someone (not necessarily me) can verify the veracity of statement.

originally posted by: Kurokage
I posted Sabine Hossenfelder's video as she is an actual professor, and hasn't just dismissed it out of hand as others have done. She's tried to remain neutral, showing the evidence for and against till more data is known.

If there's evidence for and against I suppose whatever we have is inconclusive.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: ARM19688

Exactly what I said, verifiable data, so someone (not necessarily me) can verify the veracity of statement.

What would you consider to be verifiable data? Not being difficult. Interested in your thought process.

originally posted by: ARM19688

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: ARM19688

Exactly what I said, verifiable data, so someone (not necessarily me) can verify the veracity of statement.

What would you consider to be verifiable data? Not being difficult. Interested in your thought process.

I am sorry to jump in.
ARM, to me verifiable data would mean the school of scientists to confirm said data. What is your thought process?

a reply to: ARM19688

The title says that the signal from Proxima Centauri was confirmed by ESA Astronomers.

So, first of all, verifiable data would be the actual confirmation by identifiable ESA Astronomers and how they confirmed it.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: ARM19688

The title says that the signal from Proxima Centauri was confirmed by ESA Astronomers.

So, first of all, verifiable data would be the actual confirmation by identifiable ESA Astronomers and how they confirmed it.

So the ESA astronomers verified it, which suggests verifiable data, but wish to see said data and the process by which they verified it, is that correct? I mean I think that’s perfectly reasonable. I’m just struggling to see how anyone on ATS would have the skills to verify that data. I am completely onboard with the idea that the data should be made public, surely nothing to hide in that.

originally posted by: ARM19688
So the ESA astronomers verified it, which suggests verifiable data, but wish to see said data and the process by which they verified it, is that correct?

First of all, did any ESA astronomer really verified it?

Second, if they did, who are they?

I only mentioned the process, not the data itself, as, to me, a first step would be to know who verified the data and how they did it, so anyone with enough knowledge (not me) could confirm that the process was correct tot verify that type of data.
After that first step, the ideal would be to get access to the data, so other people, knowing the process and having the data, could replicate the verification process to see if they would reach the same conclusion.

I mean I think that’s perfectly reasonable. I’m just struggling to see how anyone on ATS would have the skills to verify that data. I am completely onboard with the idea that the data should be made public, surely nothing to hide in that.

Not necessarily an ATS member, but I'm sure ATS members would be able to find someone with the knowledge and capacity for doing that kind of analysis. From my personal experience, if you contact a scientist with a question regarding their field of work/knowledge, they do not mind helping.

Yeah, basically, what we need are for these mysterious unnamed scientists at ESA to state themselves that they have proven a radio signal did indeed originate from Proxima Centauri.

How come some nobody on youtube knows about it and no-one else does?

My guess is that nothing will be announced (because no such discovery was ever made)

And, incidentally, if aliens from Proxima Centauri are visiting Earth, why would they send us a radio signal that takes over 4 years to get here? It means if that is where the signal came from, then they are not yet here.


Edit: and so far as verification goes, that would come from other scientists. from NASA, etc