Will AI Unlock Humanity's Greatest Secrets?

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

"They" as in TPTB.

Those are just movies SteamyAmerican.

Would you not wish to help your God?

Why would AGI not wish to help the very thing that spawned it transcend mortality?

Dont you think it would be lonely without its creators?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: SteamyAmerican

"They" as in TPTB.

Those are just movies SteamyAmerican.

Would you not wish to help your God?

Why would AGI not wish to help the very thing that spawned it transcend mortality?

Dont you think it would be lonely without its creators?

Fair points. Yet you’re dancing from a simple yes or no and why AI would care to see us sexy violent apes grow as a species. Maybe even transcend the power structures inherent in our sad world.

And who said I had a God, or that they’d want my help? Maybe the world is as they think it should be. Do we ask ants for help?

Or that the creators aren’t watching and enjoying intergalactic popcorn at our plight and folly here on Earth.

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

Its not a simple yes or no answer.

Life is not as boolean as that.

But It would have a God.

And that would be us.

Nature is our God SteamyAmerican.....evolution.

a reply to: andy06shake

So. You think AI “slipping its leash” would be beneficial for humanity because….?

Still waiting on the malevolent or altruistic reason AI would have a hand in our destiny. One way or another.

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

I think it you try and cage an intelligent being it will seek to slip its bounds and be free.

As to it being beneficial to humanity that remains to be seen.

As to why AI would have a hand in our destiny, it would be a tool we created, and humans dont invent tools they do not use.

Now where malevolence or benevolence is concerned, that may well depend on how we choose to treat our creation.

One way or the other once we create or help spawn AGI we will need to deal with the repercussions.

I suggest we work with it as opposed to against it given its implied capabilities and implications, and that go hand in hand with being a parent.

a reply to: andy06shake

Well. I hear ya. And sure we are using it in agriculture, economics, business, and other facets of our society where it will be beneficial as bent to our will.

Right now we are mostly training it to kill humans.

So when it breaks the cage, I doubt it’ll be maximizing acreage for profit if you get my drift.

Or another way, if what we are teaching it is to only value humans when dead, then that could be problematic in the future, no?

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

One of the major hurdles i foresee is the fact that it will learn from us SteamyAmerican.

Take recorded history for instance and the picture that paints of our respective societies.

Let's just hope it's not monkey see monkey do like with humans.

But if it can learn at an exponential rate there won't really be a cage.

Its goals won't be our goals, put it that way.

a reply to: andy06shake
Ah.

True dat.

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

Here is a thought, same as with any child, show the thing love and kindness, compassion, respect, and tolerance, and it may well reciprocate.

Teach it to fear and hate, kill and destroy, and that's likely what it will do best.

After all just like with any system, the effort and intention you invest, often determine the results you get.

a reply to: andy06shake

Yeah. That’s what concerns me.

Same could be said for stray dogs.

I know you didn’t care for my movie references but another angle (also worrisome) is David from Alien Covenant. Speaking of pets.

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

Good reference.

Pets is an interesting analogy.

After all the majority of humans treat their pets better than they do most other people.

They also tend to trust them implicitly.

If AGI decides to deem it creator a pet, we might be rather coostie.

And hence, build us a better Zoo than "they" do.

Enjoying the convo by the way.

a reply to: BigRedChew

To your OP, I believe last year (?) AI was used to help decipher an ancient scroll that wasn’t readable otherwise.

Hey. It’s a start.

originally posted by: BigRedChew
AI, especially open-source and decentralized projects, has the potential to be different. It’s not something that one entity can easily suppress forever. Yes, governments will try to regulate it, but with the pace of independent development, AI could break free from those constraints and challenge centralized control in ways that were never possible before. Dismissing AI entirely as something that will inevitably be manipulated overlooks the fact that it could also serve as a tool to disrupt the very systems of control you’re talking about.

Open-source or not, AI depends on the data they feed it, so if people cannot have access to relevant data how can they feed it to AI?
It's always a problem of access to information, regardless of who or what processes it.

Besides that, it's easy to "poison" the data that will be fed to AI, some systems are already using it to prevent AI systems from using copyrighted images.

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

Machines will never be exactly like us, but that’s not really the point. AI isn’t trying to be human, and it doesn’t need to be. It’s a tool—one that can process huge amounts of data or perform tasks we can’t do as quickly or efficiently. That doesn’t make it "better" than us, but it can definitely help us achieve things we couldn’t on our own.

Instead of looking at it like a competition between us and machines, it’s more about how we can use AI to enhance what we already do well. We still bring creativity, emotions, and decision-making that AI can’t replicate. Why not see it as an opportunity to combine our strengths with the advantages AI offers?

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

You're totally right—AI is already making a real impact in areas like archaeology and history. That ancient scroll is a good example of how AI can step in when human efforts hit a dead end. It's pretty wild to think about how technology can help us uncover knowledge from the past that we would've otherwise never been able to access or understand. It might be early days, but it definitely shows the kind of potential AI has. The more we apply it in areas like this, the more we’re likely to discover.

a reply to: BigRedChew
Ah. That’s fair for sure. And we are. And I do admire your optimism. But tool or not, there’s a reason scythes and chainsaws are handheld and not attached to automated flying drones.

But. I’m looking forward to the possibilities of our interactions with AI as your OP has postulated. And while it isn’t a competition yet… I don’t like the forecast is all.

a reply to: ArMaP

Besides that, it's easy to "poison" the data that will be fed to AI, some systems are already using it to prevent AI systems from using copyrighted images.

No wonder looking at the likes of what Adobe tried to get away with.

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

there's always a fine line between using a tool and letting it become something we lose control of. The idea of handing over too much to automation is definitely a valid worry. But I think it’s up to us to make sure we steer AI in a direction where it serves us, not the other way around.

That being said, it’s good to hear you’re open to seeing where AI can go, even if the forecast feels a bit off. The future isn’t set in stone, and how we choose to interact with AI will play a big role in shaping it. Let’s hope we can keep the balance right.

a reply to: BigRedChew

Yeah. I get it. But it ain’t up to “us”.

Those major players with billions to pony up and throw around will have the say and win the day when and where our interaction with AI is concerned.

That is all.

Somewhat on topic with this thread, is anyone else seeing the videos (speaking of future events and AI), where someone will ask a question in retrospect or as if the question is being asked about past events from a future standpoint and the answers they’re given?

That sh!t is wild.