The evil government is behind Helene (proof online government document)

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: ScarletDarkness

Seriously?

You call those sites "proof"?!!!!!

Shakes head in disbelief 😨🫢

Did you even look at the US goverment official site?! I bet you don't even know which one.
They admit to 'weather modification' , what more could possibly be needed? Unless you get paid big bucks off course to disrupt this site constantly .

"Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" and this is from 1996. So yes, proof.

a reply to: ScarletDarkness

What a positively fruitcake idea.

You win the canvas smoking jacket with sleeves that tie in the back, and an all inclusive free holiday stay in an extensively upholstered room.

a reply to: ScarletDarkness

I get "paid big bucks of course to disrupt this site constantly"?!!!

LOL.

I'm afraid your credibility just got zeroed.

Proof?

Good grief.

😂

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness
At this point ATS is lost to some mind numbing post edits from who knows . I can't believe these responses.
I expect them from certain posters, but there were others as well.
Just as "Old fish" isn't anti-communism (avatar) , watch the burn & others are controlled opposition posters.


And I never said that the goverment creates them , but they are behind steering them IMO, which is just as plain evil.

I'm a Brit?

Jeeezus.

Get a grip?

Like, on reality?

Have a great day.

a reply to: ScarletDarkness

"Did you even look at the US goverment official site?! I bet you don't even know which one."

I did. It isn't.

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: Boomer1947

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness


Helene just became more powerful the more inland she went, that doesn't happen, or it shouldn't . Also , especially around mountain areas, hurricanes should lose power.
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It's not true that Helene gained power as it went inland.

On Tuesday, Sept. 24, Helene was over the Caribbean Sea near Cuba and classified as a tropical storm (wind speeds 39 to 73 mph).

By Wednesday, Sept. 25, Helene had turned north, heading for Florida's Big Bend region and was upgraded to a Cat 1 Hurricane (wind speeds 74 to 95 mph).

By Thursday, Sept. 26, Helene had been upgraded to Cat 4 Hurricane (wind speeds 131 to 155 mph) as it made landfall late that evening.

By Friday, Sept. 27, it had been downgraded back to a tropical storm.

www.theguardian.com...

It started to become less powerful as soon as it made landfall and stopped picking up heat and water vapor from the sea surface--exactly as hurricanes are supposed to do.

However, because the Caribbean Sea surface temperature was high, it had picked up a lot of water vapor. We know that because Helene was the largest diameter US hurricane at landfall since Hurricane Sandy, in 2012.

www.usatoday.com...

As it moved northward and encountered the higher elevations of the Appalachian Mountains, orographic lifting caused the cloud bands surrounding the eye to gain altitude, cool off, and dump all their moisture in a very constrained location--exactly as clouds are supposed to do.

The damage in Asheville (elevation 2,134 ft) and surrounding areas was mostly from flooding, not winds.

I've heard directly, from people affected in the area that the hurricane became stronger further inland. I will believe that over any MSM Sorros bought out tripe.

Did your anecdotal sources travel with the hurricane from landfall to the mountains?

Was all the ground instruments hacked so the numbers could be fudged? Were all the satellite imagery, from multiple nations and private entities tampered with?

You made a claim that the hurricane got stronger. There’s no proof of that other than your alleged anecdotal sources.

All available evidence, troves of it, have it that it was a tropical storm over Appalachia I was pretty close to it but lucked out by missing the bad band that was originally projected for us. It was just a lot of rain, gusts here topped out at 30mph.

It was a huge rain event.

Also, while mountains often help protect from storms at times, it’s not always a shield. Derechos make it through and are more powerful than any tropical storm I’ve seen. We had one early summer and it was nasty.

a reply to: ScarletDarkness

Yeah makes ya wonder why the resistance. We also know TPTB will go to great lengths to produce and publish bizarre essays so bizarre it makes people automatically believe it's impossible. 😬

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3

Please find something that is factually accurate.

With all due respect, I heard/saw several well-qualified weather people who pointed out odd radar anomalies during several recent weather events. For example, this past summer's tornadoes.

ATS does not link well to sites in the wayback machine. If you put the following link in there:

www-star.stanford.edu...

It will provide a report on Project hail that was done around the year 2000.

The HAIL project investigates:
(i) the physical nature of quiescent and transient changes in mesospheric/lower ionospheric (60 to 100 km altitude) conductivity produced by underlying electrified tropospheric thunderstorms and associated lightning activity (15 km altitude)
(ii) effects of lightning discharges on the radiation belts. These questions address key topics in space physics research recommended for the next decade in the National Research Council 1995 report ‘A Science Strategy for Space Physics", namely, the middle and upper atmospheres and their coupling to regions above and below, specifically dealing with the electrodynamic coupling between the troposphere, mesosphere, and the lower ionosphere, driven by lightning and thunderstorm systems.

In Australia, the topic of geoengineering was classified around the 1970's with the Geoengineering act. When dealing with the topic of climate change, the public is blind to the actual abilities and implementation of geoengineering activities and what part this plays in destructive weather systems. The control of weather has been sought as a weapon of war for a long time.

It is good to see there is a growing public capability in detecting the methods used in influencing destructive weather patterns and limit the cloud of secrecy that those with the agenda to implement hide behind.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness
At this point ATS is lost to some mind numbing post edits from who knows . I can't believe these responses.
I expect them from certain posters, but there were others as well.
Just as "Old fish" isn't anti-communism (avatar) , watch the burn & others are controlled opposition posters.


And I never said that the goverment creates them , but they are behind steering them IMO, which is just as plain evil.

I'm a Brit?

Jeeezus.

Get a grip?

Like, on reality?

Have a great day.

Yes , and I'm in FL being bombarded by hurricanes.

I 100% believe you're paid to disrupt this site, like a few others on here.
Don't care how that destroys my credibility in your eyes as you have none in mine either.

originally posted by: kwaka
ATS does not link well to sites in the wayback machine. If you put the following link in there:

www-star.stanford.edu...

It will provide a report on Project hail that was done around the year 2000.

The HAIL project investigates:
(i) the physical nature of quiescent and transient changes in mesospheric/lower ionospheric (60 to 100 km altitude) conductivity produced by underlying electrified tropospheric thunderstorms and associated lightning activity (15 km altitude)
(ii) effects of lightning discharges on the radiation belts. These questions address key topics in space physics research recommended for the next decade in the National Research Council 1995 report ‘A Science Strategy for Space Physics", namely, the middle and upper atmospheres and their coupling to regions above and below, specifically dealing with the electrodynamic coupling between the troposphere, mesosphere, and the lower ionosphere, driven by lightning and thunderstorm systems.

In Australia, the topic of geoengineering was classified around the 1970's with the Geoengineering act. When dealing with the topic of climate change, the public is blind to the actual abilities and implementation of geoengineering activities and what part this plays in destructive weather systems. The control of weather has been sought as a weapon of war for a long time.

It is good to see there is a growing public capability in detecting the methods used in influencing destructive weather patterns and limit the cloud of secrecy that those with the agenda to implement hide behind.

No amount of proof will be enough as they're paid to disrupt. It's the only explaination. I've been here many years (different screen name before) and it was always the same (different then) screen names that disrupted every time, and no amount of proof could even open their eyes a sliver.

After all the research they have done with using frequencies to create and control weather, it is possible they have perfected it by now. They screwed up a lot in the research, but if they got rid of limiting factors this could be possible.

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: kwaka
ATS does not link well to sites in the wayback machine. If you put the following link in there:

www-star.stanford.edu...

It will provide a report on Project hail that was done around the year 2000.

The HAIL project investigates:
(i) the physical nature of quiescent and transient changes in mesospheric/lower ionospheric (60 to 100 km altitude) conductivity produced by underlying electrified tropospheric thunderstorms and associated lightning activity (15 km altitude)
(ii) effects of lightning discharges on the radiation belts. These questions address key topics in space physics research recommended for the next decade in the National Research Council 1995 report ‘A Science Strategy for Space Physics", namely, the middle and upper atmospheres and their coupling to regions above and below, specifically dealing with the electrodynamic coupling between the troposphere, mesosphere, and the lower ionosphere, driven by lightning and thunderstorm systems.

In Australia, the topic of geoengineering was classified around the 1970's with the Geoengineering act. When dealing with the topic of climate change, the public is blind to the actual abilities and implementation of geoengineering activities and what part this plays in destructive weather systems. The control of weather has been sought as a weapon of war for a long time.

It is good to see there is a growing public capability in detecting the methods used in influencing destructive weather patterns and limit the cloud of secrecy that those with the agenda to implement hide behind.

No amount of proof will be enough as they're paid to disrupt. It's the only explaination. I've been here many years (different screen name before) and it was always the same (different then) screen names that disrupted every time, and no amount of proof could even open their eyes a sliver.

We’re on an open forum, and your seemingly puzzled people are questioning a thread with an incredibly bold statements backed by only a YouTube video, a vague government document from decades ago, and your anecdotal sources.

You claimed that the government was behind this, and that the hurricane got stronger inland. It wasn’t even a hurricane when it was over NC.

No one needs to be paid to point that out on a conspiracy and current events site. Are you paid to be here?

People from this area know it can happen with perfect storms. Did the government do Hazard Kentucky a few years back? If a different administration gets into office in a few months, can we just use your document to say they did any natural disaster?

No. That’s silly. You made a thread the government did this, and hold everyone else to an unreal standard to prove they didn’t while you just have one document. Then you say the storm got stronger while it moved inland, which is easily disproven. There was localized heavy flooding in an area of a temperate rain forest… the levels it happened are once in a century but not out of the realm of imagination.

If you’re going to make bold statements, prepare to back them up with strong arguments instead of proclaiming anyone against your imaginative theory is paid opposition. It’s acting like a victim instead of honest debate.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: kwaka
ATS does not link well to sites in the wayback machine. If you put the following link in there:

www-star.stanford.edu...

It will provide a report on Project hail that was done around the year 2000.

The HAIL project investigates:
(i) the physical nature of quiescent and transient changes in mesospheric/lower ionospheric (60 to 100 km altitude) conductivity produced by underlying electrified tropospheric thunderstorms and associated lightning activity (15 km altitude)
(ii) effects of lightning discharges on the radiation belts. These questions address key topics in space physics research recommended for the next decade in the National Research Council 1995 report ‘A Science Strategy for Space Physics", namely, the middle and upper atmospheres and their coupling to regions above and below, specifically dealing with the electrodynamic coupling between the troposphere, mesosphere, and the lower ionosphere, driven by lightning and thunderstorm systems.

In Australia, the topic of geoengineering was classified around the 1970's with the Geoengineering act. When dealing with the topic of climate change, the public is blind to the actual abilities and implementation of geoengineering activities and what part this plays in destructive weather systems. The control of weather has been sought as a weapon of war for a long time.

It is good to see there is a growing public capability in detecting the methods used in influencing destructive weather patterns and limit the cloud of secrecy that those with the agenda to implement hide behind.

No amount of proof will be enough as they're paid to disrupt. It's the only explaination. I've been here many years (different screen name before) and it was always the same (different then) screen names that disrupted every time, and no amount of proof could even open their eyes a sliver.

We’re on an open forum, and your seemingly puzzled people are questioning a thread with an incredibly bold statements backed by only a YouTube video, a vague government document from decades ago, and your anecdotal sources.

You claimed that the government was behind this, and that the hurricane got stronger inland. It wasn’t even a hurricane when it was over NC.

No one needs to be paid to point that out on a conspiracy and current events site. Are you paid to be here?

People from this area know it can happen with perfect storms. Did the government do Hazard Kentucky a few years back? If a different administration gets into office in a few months, can we just use your document to say they did any natural disaster?

No. That’s silly. You made a thread the government did this, and hold everyone else to an unreal standard to prove they didn’t while you just have one document. Then you say the storm got stronger while it moved inland, which is easily disproven. There was localized heavy flooding in an area of a temperate rain forest… the levels it happened are once in a century but not out of the realm of imagination.

If you’re going to make bold statements, prepare to back them up with strong arguments instead of proclaiming anyone against your imaginative theory is paid opposition. It’s acting like a victim instead of honest debate.

None of that matters. Why? Because all one needs to do is SEE what response to this or other disasters our "officials" implement.

What they are doing are crimes against humanity. Spending all the FEMA money on illegal voters is the biggest red flag.

Ordering police to arrest anyone helping others in times of need, just like Hawaii. The towns when trains unloaded poisons after derailing.

It's a long list you appear to be blind to. Only a total idiot would run cover for the evil creatures currently in charge of "disaster response". With our government's responses under democrat rule, everything is a disaster. (And exponentially worse than it would be otherwise.)

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Who said I’m running cover?

Want to name a time FEMA could handle a major disaster? Any administration, I’m all ears.

And a lot of it is in the mountains right now, not flat land accessible by every vehicle including boat.

Color me surprised.

There’s a difference between running cover and just accepting any theory someone proposes just because it fits their narrative.

There are conspiracies ≠ everything is a conspiracy.

You can’t just say that you can propose any idea because corruption exists. If you make that the logical framework, than you validate everything MSNBC does.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I never said YOU were running cover specifically.

No proof is needed to believe anything like weather manipulation is being used because our current corrupt officials already prove their intent towards citizens by their own actions after these events. Look at their response or lack of response.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

There was El Niño and La Niña in the same head. The gulf is hot, this was predicted back in Spring, one of the worst hurricane seasons.

The government sucks and is incompetent. The FEMA heads are political favors. It’s a broken system. That doesn’t just mean we can make elaborate claims that the storm was a government plan.

Or else we get to make the same claim when “the others” are in control. It’s asinine in my opinion.

We recently debated on a thread about God saving Trump. I noted that if he did, maybe he prevented him from taking office in 2020 too. I don’t honestly believe that, but noted if he’s omnipotent, than everything is part of the plan.

If he saved Trump, who’s to say God didn’t let this hurricane decimate part of the country? Maybe he’s going to help NC win now that Asheville won’t be able to vote in droves.

I can make a loose case for that, but that’s all it is. I don’t believe it, but it’s a point to show that if you create a foundation of dogma, you can create any narrative you want.

Notice the only response to people logically disproving the thread is attacks on their character. They’re paid, naive, stupid. Never mind the predictions ahead of the storm, aircraft flying through it, thousands of ground instruments probing it wasn’t a hurricane inland, just one band of insane moisture. Doesn’t matter, you’re a government cuck if you don’t think they were behind it.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Exactly. FEMA is blocking volunteers trying to help , blocking donated goods and blocking the air space .

Never mind that they lied about the number of dead.

a reply to: ScarletDarkness

No amount of proof will be enough as they're paid to disrupt. It's the only explaination. I've been here many years (different screen name before) and it was always the same (different then) screen names that disrupted every time, and no amount of proof could even open their eyes a sliver.

I have had those conservations as well. They can help at times in finding a clearer and deeper picture when going through the debate. Can also be frustrating as well as common sense gets abandoned to support a narrative. Pick your battles. Think of it more about building a body of evidence beyond reasonable doubt than trying to change some minds around this place.

a reply to: ScarletDarkness

"I 100% believe you're paid to disrupt this site, like a few others on here.
Don't care how that destroys my credibility in your eyes as you have none in mine either."

Personal attacks on posters who disagree with your wild claims and calling them paid shills is what actually disrupts this site.

The hurricane did not get stronger as you claimed.

It's as simple as that.