20 Supporters Seated Behind Trump Onstage Rushed to Hospital

a reply to: Degradation33

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders skipped a $45,000 bill in 2016.

from your article.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: FlyersFan

It's Tucson, so who knows. The city in general "burns your eyes," and it's certainly NOT MAGA country.

Before the rally, Pima County Supervisor Adelita Grijalva sparked backlash by posting a profane sign on social media. The sign, which read “F you MAGA, no more Orange” in Spanish, was captioned, “Welcome to Tucson.” At a subsequent Pima County Board of Supervisors meeting, constituents demanded an apology from Grijalva. However, she stood by her actions, stating, “I’ll acknowledge wrongdoing when Trump apologizes for the racist, misogynistic, sexist, inflammatory comments he’s made about women, people of color, LGBTQ…”

Grijalva wasn’t the only notable Tucson figure to oppose the rally. Music legend Linda Ronstadt, whose name adorns the venue, also disapproved. Taking to social media, Ronstadt criticized Trump for holding the event at a building associated with her legacy, stating her deep opposition to his policies.

So there's some opposition from 1971's Ugliest City in America.

This could be household mustard gas. Someone cleaned the stage with amonia and bleach combined. Or some mop bucket containing the mixture off-stage was left closest to the stands.

Maybe it's payback for the $86,000 he owes them?

www.kold.com...

Thats a massive deflection from the topic of the thread FWIW.

Makes absolutely no sense, nice little quip for the like-minded I suppose but pretty much weak sauce for the undecided and independents at this point of the election season.

So he owed $86,000 and they paid $145,000 upfront? why not $172,000. Did the cost of the venue go up that much in 4 years?

If this were happening to anyone else, the entire thing would be on lockdown while all kinds of government agencies investigated.
Because it is Trump and his supporters, they just shrug their shoulders and make excuses.

As I saw mentioned elsewhere, it's unquestioned intimidation tactics because his rallies draw huge numbers, No more no less


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Before the rally, Pima County Supervisor Adelita Grijalva sparked backlash by posting a profane sign on social media. The sign, which read “F you MAGA, no more Orange” in Spanish, was captioned, “Welcome to Tucson.” At a subsequent Pima County Board of Supervisors meeting, constituents demanded an apology from Grijalva. However, she stood by her actions, stating, “I’ll acknowledge wrongdoing when Trump apologizes for the racist, misogynistic, sexist, inflammatory comments he’s made about women, people of color, LGBTQ…”

Grijalva wasn’t the only notable Tucson figure to oppose the rally. Music legend Linda Ronstadt, whose name adorns the venue, also disapproved. Taking to social media, Ronstadt criticized Trump for holding the event at a building associated with her legacy, stating her deep opposition to his policies.

While the rally drew a large and enthusiastic crowd, it ended with an unexpected turn of events. Approximately 20 attendees, primarily members of the “Latinos for Trump” group who had been onstage, reported becoming ill with mysterious symptoms shortly after the rally concluded. All those who reported falling ill were seated on the side of the stage where Trump made his entrance before approaching the podium.

Pastor Eli Moreno, who opened the rally with prayer, and his wife, Francesca Moreno, were among those affected. Pastor Moreno said that he experienced mild discomfort, but his wife’s symptoms were far more severe. On their drive home, Mrs. Moreno’s nose began to run, her vision blurred, and her face swelled up. They stopped at a Walgreens and encountered another rallygoer with similar symptoms. Mrs. Moreno stated that emergency room doctors flushed her eyes earlier and referred her to an ophthalmologist. Five days later, she was just beginning to feel better.

It sounds like the effects of capsicum in pepper spray.

Pepper spray causes irritation of the eyes, skin, and mucus membranes. Inhalation exposures can cause coughing, difficulty breathing, nasal and throat irritation, and a runny nose. Eye exposures can result in pain, redness, watery eyes, difficulty opening the eyes, and sensitivity to light.

The long term effects remind me of A form of Havana Syndrome?

Acute symptoms
Loud noises, visual disturbances, head pressure or vibration, ear pain, tinnitus, hearing loss, dizziness, and unsteady gait

Chronic symptoms
Insomnia, dizziness and nausea, light sensitivity and eye strain, sound sensitivity, tinnitus and hearing reduction, impaired concentration and memory, irritability, nervousness, and sadness, fatigue, and headache[/ex

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive



Possibly but when and how was the pepper spray deployed, pepper spray is an instantaneous reaction, while this seems a bit delayed.

Seemingly no discomfort for the attendees or Trump, pepper spray hurts like a beyotch but mostly you have to be hit directly by it

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a reply to: BeyondKnowledge3

In my experience of working inside event venues...I have never seen UV lights used for anything but nack of house sterilizing. Usually these days they're all LED...but some older venues may still use old style lamps. Production lighting engineer is my background...so I might know a thing or 2 about lights in venues.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: BeyondKnowledge3

In my experience of working inside event venues...I have never seen UV lights used for anything but nack of house sterilizing. Usually these days they're all LED...but some older venues may still use old style lamps. Production lighting engineer is my background...so I might know a thing or 2 about lights in venues.

UV lights are so noticeable

in a quick look at the video I'm not seeing overt evidence of UV lighting

a reply to: putnam6

Don't pay attention to it? It wasn't meant to deflect.

The main point was there's enough haters with enough reasons for someone to "accidentally" leave a mop bucket of mustard gas (chemicals) by the stage. Or some other irritant to diffuse without being noticed.

I also wanted to make fun of Tucson a little, because if you live there, and then leave for prettier places it becomes a novelty "joke city" as seen on a Family Guy cut away and hard to approach without humor.

The dumbest city in the world could accidentally gas rally attendees by "deep-cleaning" something.

But lean more towards boiling hatred without any specific organization needed. All it takes is another lone actor with "TDS."

Could have been some kind of gas that was released in the area which triggered reactions. It would be easy for someone to smuggle a small canister with a remote control valve into the area and slowly release a gas that might be able to give those symptoms. As someone said, it could be a mixture of a couple of common chemicals like bleach and ammonia or it could be something like nitrous oxide which would give dizziness and some other side effects if the nitrogen in the environment was elevated for a while...but some symptoms stated do not match NO2. NO2 is not picked up well in tests either, like some other gasses. t might just lower blood pressure too much

There are multiple ways someone could do this kind of sabotages and some ways would be hard to detect the cause.

A headache as the lasting after effect would be common of a gas being used...nothing much shows up in blood tests many times.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: DAVID64

t a laser could be the culprit.

Hubby says the military has lasers that are invisible to the naked eye.

It's unreal how diabolical campaign tactics have become this time around.

BAMN indeed!

I figured it might be a military op using some high tech thing in the name of protecting democracy ok behalf of the party of democratic socialism. Also they cannot wait to storm people’s homes and take the guns.

sewer gas piped in from Mexico 😊

originally posted by: rickymouse
Could have been some kind of gas that was released in the area which triggered reactions. It would be easy for someone to smuggle a small canister with a remote control valve into the area and slowly release a gas that might be able to give those symptoms. As someone said, it could be a mixture of a couple of common chemicals like bleach and ammonia or it could be something like nitrous oxide which would give dizziness and some other side effects if the nitrogen in the environment was elevated for a while...but some symptoms stated do not match NO2. NO2 is not picked up well in tests either, like some other gasses. t might just lower blood pressure too much

There are multiple ways someone could do this kind of sabotages and some ways would be hard to detect the cause.

A headache as the lasting after effect would be common of a gas being used...nothing much shows up in blood tests many times.

Why would only a section of people directly behind Trump be affected then? It has to be more directed to affect only those people.

a reply to: TheLieWeLive

The long term effects remind me of A form of Havana Syndrome?

Advanced laser technology if that's the case.

Microwave or millimeter wave lasers to be more precise.

Here's some photos of an older technology microwave weapon. It's come out in a hearing that the newer technology is much smaller these days.





Here's the 60 Minutes episode on this subject:






A bad high intensity discharge bulb giving off UVC rays seems plausible.

UV lasers seems to be readily available, so also plausible.

And there all a bunch of nasty chemicals out there, so I wouldn't rule chemical exposure out just yet.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: putnam6

Don't pay attention to it? It wasn't meant to deflect.

The main point was there's enough haters with enough reasons for someone to "accidentally" leave a mop bucket of mustard gas (chemicals) by the stage. Or some other irritant to diffuse without being noticed.

I also wanted to make fun of Tucson a little, because if you live there, and then leave for prettier places it becomes a novelty "joke city" as seen on a Family Guy cut away and hard to approach without humor.

The dumbest city in the world could accidentally gas rally attendees by "deep-cleaning" something.

But lean more towards boiling hatred without any specific organization needed. All it takes is another lone actor with "TDS."

No worries, D33 I was trying to get to your real thoughts on the matter, I had no idea Tucson was such a hive of villainy and scum

But it does bring up a good point if these are just random persons with TDS, the likely reason

Who or what is setting them off?
Why do they let somebody they do not know personally have access to thier emotional buttons
When did people stop believing sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never hurt you?

Considering how the last 3 1/2 years have gone down wouldn't on some levels Democrat America have been better off if Trump would have won in 2020?

We would be in the last 4 months of his 2nd term, and the world would have been done with him. It's hard to imagine where his 2nd term would have done so well whoever his VP would be elected, nor could I see there being an upswell in Republicans in the Congress or Senate.

We could argue America would be in worse shape domestically, but that's an extremely hard sell.

We could argue America is better off internationally but on a lot of levels that is even more difficult to rationalize than pretending we currently have domestic bliss.

What is so great about America circa 2020-2024 that another sesh of DJT would have been so awful?

Especially with the results we have ended up with.

I like it better when both sides left and right agree on one thing our politicians are full of chit, and mostly our politicians are in the game to enrich themselves and generally could care less about the general public.

Isn't there a saying somewhere that an emotionally charged public is much easier to manipulate, as well as they get distracted about "my guns" or "my body my choice" while our politicians continue to vote for thier raises and to support their friendly corporate lobbyists?

originally posted by: EyeoftheHurricane

originally posted by: rickymouse
Could have been some kind of gas that was released in the area which triggered reactions. It would be easy for someone to smuggle a small canister with a remote control valve into the area and slowly release a gas that might be able to give those symptoms. As someone said, it could be a mixture of a couple of common chemicals like bleach and ammonia or it could be something like nitrous oxide which would give dizziness and some other side effects if the nitrogen in the environment was elevated for a while...but some symptoms stated do not match NO2. NO2 is not picked up well in tests either, like some other gasses. t might just lower blood pressure too much

There are multiple ways someone could do this kind of sabotages and some ways would be hard to detect the cause.

A headache as the lasting after effect would be common of a gas being used...nothing much shows up in blood tests many times.

Why would only a section of people directly behind Trump be affected then? It has to be more directed to affect only those people.

Well, I guess the logical answer would then be that Trump had bad gas and the farts screwed up the people right behind him.

Blame it on space lasers!

Or as the TI cult calls them, to try to sound smart, Directed Energy Weapons.

All good theories so far, but they would all, more or less, have an immediate effect.

From what I understand, many people began to feel the various symptoms after the rally. I recall one person was able to drive for almost an hour before their eyes started burning.

Also, whatever it was must have been an accumulation over the hour plus that Trump spoke. That may be why he wasn't affected. He stood in front of that small group only after he entered the stage and let the music play out. He then moved to the lectern to start his speech, thus his exposure would have been brief, hence, no symptoms.

If it was a faulty light bulb, that would be easy to prove or disprove, but if it was anything else, we will probably never know for sure.

originally posted by: Encia22
All good theories so far, but they would all, more or less, have an immediate effect.

From what I understand, many people began to feel the various symptoms after the rally. I recall one person was able to drive for almost an hour before their eyes started burning.

Also, whatever it was must have been an accumulation over the hour plus that Trump spoke. That may be why he wasn't affected. He stood in front of that small group only after he entered the stage and let the music play out. He then moved to the lectern to start his speech, thus his exposure would have been brief, hence, no symptoms.

Here is a local news story about it: www.kgun9.com...

Only people on one side of the stage were affected. The lighting was done by a private company. The venue lights were not used.

Incidentally, it is a fairly small venue that holds less than 2300 people. The Tucson Convention Center is literally right next door on the same campus and holds a MUCH bigger crowd. I guess they did not want to see a small crowd in a big venue! It is one of the smallest of similar venues in Tucson!

originally posted by: xuenchen
sewer gas piped in from Mexico 😊

What was found in the blood/urine of those who were taken to the hospital? Any poisons?

One theory of what it was:

UV laser directed energy attack alert – details on invisible, silent weaponry used to attack Trump and his supporters

It is now nearly certain that a recent attack impacting attendees of a Trump rally in Arizona was carried out via the deployment of a handheld UV laser device, battery powered, silent, and invisible to the naked eye. The symptoms of those impacted are fully consistent with such a directed energy attack: Temporary loss of vision, sunburns on exposed skin, skin peeling, extreme eye pain, redness, etc. Yet all victims felt nothing during the moments of exposure.

UV lasers in the wavelengths of 280nm - 315nm are considered "UV-B" and are extremely dangerous to the human eye, as the optics of the eye add significant "gain" to incoming photons, in orders of magnitude...

Night vision optics cannot detect UV lasers. Very sensitive, high resolution thermal cameras *may* pick up elevated surface skin temperatures as UV rays strike the faces, chests, eyes, etc., of intended victims, and this temperature rise would appear in the shape of a very large circle, perhaps 15' in diameter...