This is an anti-free speech right/Nazi/Right Conservatives, a Pro-LGBT community that supports BLM

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness
a reply to: BingoMcGoof

Book on Amazon

off course you listen to MSM , google , propaganda (uhm, sorry meant school) .
Off course MSM is not going to admit this, it will destroy their agenda (to divide us).

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

But hey, a self published book on Amazon trumps Pastor Niemoller and all the Holocaust memorial trusts, as well as all the political theorists.

originally posted by: tamusan
a reply to: ScarletDarkness

Socialism focuses on class struggle and the redistribution of wealth to achieve economic equality. In contrast, Hitler’s ideology was based on racial purity and nationalism, which are fundamentally different from socialist principles.

Hitler actively opposed and persecuted socialists and communists. After coming to power, the Nazis banned socialist and communist parties, imprisoned their leaders, and suppressed their activities.

While the Nazis did implement some state control over the economy, their policies were designed to support large industrialists and capitalists, not to redistribute wealth or promote workers’ rights.

The use of the term “socialist” in the party’s name was largely a propaganda tool to attract working-class support. Once in power, Hitler discarded any pretense of socialist policies.

And you dont think Hitler abused the lower class and the economic crisis it was in to come to power? Hitler was all about class struggle, he just mixed in race and nationalism. And nationalism isnt a right wing thing, thats just nonsense. Nationalism is used by all dictators; Kim young Un, Maduro, Xi, Putin etc. Literally all of them.

On top of that right wing is for less power for the government which is the opposite of what Hitler wanted, and what is characteristic for both fascism and socialism. Also Hitler had plenty of socialistic programs, the right of today loaths.

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2
Hitler was all about class struggle, he just mixed in race and nationalism.

Any evidence? His relations with big business and the landed gentry suggest otherwise.

And you're confusing right wing with libertarian. There are libertarian socialists who believe in minimal state functions and Marx himself proposed the "withering away of the state".

Odd how Left Wing propaganda can convince people that Right=Left, and at the same time say Left and Right are opposite. 😃

originally posted by: BasicResearchMethods

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2
Hitler was all about class struggle, he just mixed in race and nationalism.

Any evidence? His relations with big business and the landed gentry suggest otherwise.

And you're confusing right wing with libertarian. There are libertarian socialists who believe in minimal state functions and Marx himself proposed the "withering away of the state".

Where did Marx propose the "withering away of the state"? What publication and then did any government actually do it? 😀

a reply to: BasicResearchMethods
Really? So you think when they call the right wing nazis theyre just talking about the libertarians? Ofcourse not, they mean first and foremost conservatists, with Trump as Hitler...

And its common knowledge Hitler appealed to the working class, just the fact his party was called the German workers party can tell you as much.

Anyway just by calling it extreme right because of the racial and nationalist element is disingenuous and ignoring the similarities it has with communism and socialism, and the fact all socialist and communist dictators use nationalism.

a reply to: xuenchen

Engels came up with the idea... and, why would s government want to abolish itself?

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: xuenchen

Engels came up with the idea... and, why would s government want to abolish itself?

Do you know which publications he addressed that in? It's interesting.

A government would probably not want to abolish itself, but it can self destruct and cease to exist. Maybe that's what he was thinking?

a reply to: xuenchen

Here, I'll use Google for you.

www.marxists.org...

a reply to: xuenchen
The only thing good that comes from California grows out of the ground.

originally posted by: xuenchen


Where did Marx propose the "withering away of the state"? What publication and then did any government actually do it? 😀

Engels refers to it, citing Marx as a source, in Anti Duhring: "The interference of the state power in social relations becomes superfluous in one sphere after another, and then ceases of itself. The government of persons is replaced by the administration of things and the direction of the processes of production. The state is not "abolished", it withers away." (from Wikipedia).

Did any government actually do it? Of course not.

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2
a reply to: BasicResearchMethods
Really? So you think when they call the right wing nazis theyre just talking about the libertarians? Ofcourse not, they mean first and foremost conservatists, with Trump as Hitler...

And its common knowledge Hitler appealed to the working class, just the fact his party was called the German workers party can tell you as much.

Anyway just by calling it extreme right because of the racial and nationalist element is disingenuous and ignoring the similarities it has with communism and socialism, and the fact all socialist and communist dictators use nationalism.

That's some stunning non-sequiturs there.

I don't know who "they" are, but if "they" know about politics they know the difference between libertarians and nazis.

Hitler was a populist, and therefore appealed to the working class. That doesn't not mean that class was an element in Hitler's policies.

His party was called the workers' party. Kim Jong Un runs the Democratic Republic of North Korea. Go figure.

I agree that racist and national element on their own do not define extreme right wing. However, taken with all Hitler's other policies...

And no, not all socialist and communist leaders use nationalism. Che Guevara? Leon Trotsky?

The only similarity between authoritarian governments of the left and the right is authoritarianism.

a reply to: BasicResearchMethods

Neat. I'll have to read that over about 50 times to sort the word salad. 😃

The writing style sounds familiarly like somebody who has been doing a lot of talking lately. 😀

a reply to: ScarletDarkness

Kinda like the Biden Admin actually doing censoring on SM and using threats. Kamala has mentioned censoring too. 💥

Well you do say a lot of very stupid stuff and proclaim to be right. Why should be listen to you at all? Reguardless of what boons you read or what battles your parents fought?

a reply to: BingoMcGoof

That’s the most retarded instance I’ve ever seen that quote used.

No one would be coming for the socialists or commies, they are the ones who come for people…

a reply to: BasicResearchMethods

a reply to: Athetos

No one would be coming for the socialists or commies, they are the ones who come for people…

But they did though.

Hitler came for 'the commies'.
Mussolini came for 'the commies'.
Franco came for 'the commies'.

That is historical FACT.
Never mind neo-right wing revisionism that is undisputed historical FACT.

Once over I'd take the time to discuss the ideological differences between Marxist theory and Fascism etc but I've begun to realise its pointless.....anything slightly left of centre is immediately labeled 'Communism' and anything right of centre is deemed fascism etc.
Then we have the revisionists who want to re-write Marx and Engels in accordance with their own skewed take on things so that they can dissociate themselves from fascism and Nazism.

I'm no communist and I'm no fascist.....but I took the time to try to learn what those ideologies actually are years ago so that I could have at least a slightly informed view of them.

The biggest problem with communism - pretty much the same as most ism's - is human beings.
There will always be some who seek to exploit, manipulate, control and bully to gain some sort of advantage for themselves.....and its exactly the same regardless of what part of the political spectrum you lean towards.

originally posted by: BasicResearchMethods

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2
a reply to: BasicResearchMethods
Really? So you think when they call the right wing nazis theyre just talking about the libertarians? Ofcourse not, they mean first and foremost conservatists, with Trump as Hitler...

And its common knowledge Hitler appealed to the working class, just the fact his party was called the German workers party can tell you as much.

Anyway just by calling it extreme right because of the racial and nationalist element is disingenuous and ignoring the similarities it has with communism and socialism, and the fact all socialist and communist dictators use nationalism.

That's some stunning non-sequiturs there.

I don't know who "they" are, but if "they" know about politics they know the difference between libertarians and nazis.

Hitler was a populist, and therefore appealed to the working class. That doesn't not mean that class was an element in Hitler's policies.

His party was called the workers' party. Kim Jong Un runs the Democratic Republic of North Korea. Go figure.

I agree that racist and national element on their own do not define extreme right wing. However, taken with all Hitler's other policies...

And no, not all socialist and communist leaders use nationalism. Che Guevara? Leon Trotsky?

The only similarity between authoritarian governments of the left and the right is authoritarianism.

They? The globalists and the left ofcourse, you really have to ask that? And well there lies the problem ofcourse they paint all the right with the same nazi brush all of the time. We wouldnt be having this discussion if that wasnt the case.

A populist is a politician who uses a plebs vs the elites narrative to appeal so that is always someone who uses class. And yes also Hitler had policies that were aimed to help the lower class.

Plenty of socialist policies on top of that. So taken with all of his other policies it still is nothing like the right of today. I can see a lot more similarities with the current left actually.

And if we look at the current examples of totalitarian regimes I think its pretty hard to deny that a left turn is much easier to end up in a bad place with an overreaching government than a right turn.

a reply to: ElitePlebeian2

Hitler blamed the "globalist" Jewish elites to rile up the German working class. He was most definitely a populist, just he used a ethnic spin on his narrative.

The whole notion of "it's the globalist elites!!" Was pretty much invented by the nazi propoganda mill, and people are still inadvertently using it try and instill fear into people.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: ElitePlebeian2

Hitler blamed the "globalist" Jewish elites to rile up the German working class. He was most definitely a populist, just he used a ethnic spin on his narrative.

The whole notion of "it's the globalist elites!!" Was pretty much invented by the nazi propoganda mill, and people are still inadvertently using it try and instill fear into people.

Ye so that supports my point...

And not only did Hitler have socialist policies. Ironically one of the worst laws like the segregation Nurnberg-laws were actually directly derived from the Democrat Jim Crow laws.