US Army Rebukes Trump Campaign

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Glad to see you are circling right back to one of the only talking pints that you have even half an inch to stand on.

Could anyone see them as disrespectful, sure. Could anyone see them as not disrespectful, sure. Did Trump say it with disrespectful intent, why don't you go ask him about it.

Everything Trump has ever said about Veterans and their families has been taken out of context at one point or another by the media. Or completely misrepresented/fabricated all together, such as the ones about him saying "losers" and "suckers".


if you expect higher standards form the POTUS, why not get started with the current one that killed 13 brave US service men and women, rather than focus on one that hurt some feelings

If circle back you mean reference my original point then yes.

As pointed out in another link Kelly seems to think he made those comments, now it's not clear if that is first hand knowledge or not but certainly seems more than media lies if it's from Trumps former chief of staff.

Oh and Biden is an idiot, a fantasist and one of the worst serious presidential candidates of recent times. He just managed to be only the second worst serious presidental candidate in the last election.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Glad to see you are circling right back to one of the only talking pints that you have even half an inch to stand on.

Could anyone see them as disrespectful, sure. Could anyone see them as not disrespectful, sure. Did Trump say it with disrespectful intent, why don't you go ask him about it.

Everything Trump has ever said about Veterans and their families has been taken out of context at one point or another by the media. Or completely misrepresented/fabricated all together, such as the ones about him saying "losers" and "suckers".


if you expect higher standards form the POTUS, why not get started with the current one that killed 13 brave US service men and women, rather than focus on one that hurt some feelings

If circle back you mean reference my original point then yes.

As pointed out in another link Kelly seems to think he made those comments, now it's not clear if that is first hand knowledge or not but certainly seems more than media lies if it's from Trumps former chief of staff.

Oh and Biden is an idiot, a fantasist and one of the worst serious presidential candidates of recent times. He just managed to be only the second worst serious presidental candidate in the last election.

And ahs been pointed out several times by several different people to be false.

First hand knowledge, from someone who was actually there was given, proving your "point" with Kelly to be false.

Second worst according to you, or to those that pay more attention than to what the media has to say about things?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Dandandat3

Yes; if aligations can not be proved with physical evidence; the default position should be to not believe the aligations.

No, it shouldn't. Life isn't a court room. There are many criterial facets to evaluate, including who's doing the accusing, and who's doing the denying.

But even in the courts that doesn't always apply. For example, the courts tend to believe police officers, regardless of the fact there is no physical evidence of their testimony.

I see.
So you would accept that there is validity in saying the 2020 election was stolen then, despite it not being proven in court? Right?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Annee

The parents.

Turns out it was the parents who asked for the photos too - not Trump

Get real!

Now it’s the parents who get to break the rules at a military cemetery.

The ones who were on stage at a Trump rally.

NO — they do not have that right either.

And Trump not take advantage of an opportunity?

Give me a break.

Just more excuses.

Seems it's you who are making excuses because you turned out to be incorrect about Harris and Biden not being invited.
A simple acceptance that you got it wrong would be sensible.

I have not seen any documented fact proving Biden & Harris were invited.

Words are just words. And I don’t trust these people to be honest about anything.

What evidence are you looking for?
A family member said on live TV explicitly that Biden/Harris were invited and did not respond.
Why is your requirement for evidence she was telling the truth higher than the bar for evidence you need to condemn Trump?

originally posted by: PorkChop96

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Glad to see you are circling right back to one of the only talking pints that you have even half an inch to stand on.

Could anyone see them as disrespectful, sure. Could anyone see them as not disrespectful, sure. Did Trump say it with disrespectful intent, why don't you go ask him about it.

Everything Trump has ever said about Veterans and their families has been taken out of context at one point or another by the media. Or completely misrepresented/fabricated all together, such as the ones about him saying "losers" and "suckers".


if you expect higher standards form the POTUS, why not get started with the current one that killed 13 brave US service men and women, rather than focus on one that hurt some feelings

If circle back you mean reference my original point then yes.

As pointed out in another link Kelly seems to think he made those comments, now it's not clear if that is first hand knowledge or not but certainly seems more than media lies if it's from Trumps former chief of staff.

Oh and Biden is an idiot, a fantasist and one of the worst serious presidential candidates of recent times. He just managed to be only the second worst serious presidental candidate in the last election.

And ahs been pointed out several times by several different people to be false.

First hand knowledge, from someone who was actually there was given, proving your "point" with Kelly to be false.

Second worst according to you, or to those that pay more attention than to what the media has to say about things?

Members of Trump staff saying it's false doesn't automatically make it false anymore than his chief of staff saying it automatically make it true.

Worse president/ candidate is always a matter of opinion. Discussing opinions is kind of the point of sites like this. SlHowever several posters seem to have serious issues with any negative opinion of Trump.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: PorkChop96

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Glad to see you are circling right back to one of the only talking pints that you have even half an inch to stand on.

Could anyone see them as disrespectful, sure. Could anyone see them as not disrespectful, sure. Did Trump say it with disrespectful intent, why don't you go ask him about it.

Everything Trump has ever said about Veterans and their families has been taken out of context at one point or another by the media. Or completely misrepresented/fabricated all together, such as the ones about him saying "losers" and "suckers".


if you expect higher standards form the POTUS, why not get started with the current one that killed 13 brave US service men and women, rather than focus on one that hurt some feelings

If circle back you mean reference my original point then yes.

As pointed out in another link Kelly seems to think he made those comments, now it's not clear if that is first hand knowledge or not but certainly seems more than media lies if it's from Trumps former chief of staff.

Oh and Biden is an idiot, a fantasist and one of the worst serious presidential candidates of recent times. He just managed to be only the second worst serious presidental candidate in the last election.

And ahs been pointed out several times by several different people to be false.

First hand knowledge, from someone who was actually there was given, proving your "point" with Kelly to be false.

Second worst according to you, or to those that pay more attention than to what the media has to say about things?

Members of Trump staff saying it's false doesn't automatically make it false anymore than his chief of staff saying it automatically make it true.

Worse president/ candidate is always a matter of opinion. Discussing opinions is kind of the point of sites like this. SlHowever several posters seem to have serious issues with any negative opinion of Trump.

No issues with opinions, everyone is entitled to their own no matter how wrong it may be. The issue is when there's an assertion made without evidence to back it up.

a reply to: Dandandat3

Sure this is not a Cort room and if you want to use your preconceived notions as to who to believe and who not to believe based only on their word you are free to do so ...

Why, thank you! I call my, so called, "preconceived notions" critical thinking skills, that don't default to some random axiom.

When in the arena of politics that impartiality is non existent from the jump

In this case, Trump's crew were in the midst of a political event, not the Arlington Cemetary employee. If her actions were politically motivated, she would have done more than simply file an incident report.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Keep pushing your head further into that sand bud, good look for you.

As I have said, we can talk negative opinions all we want, I will insert mine as well. False claims that have been disproven are where people get a little peeved.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Annee

The parents.

Turns out it was the parents who asked for the photos too - not Trump

Get real!

Now it’s the parents who get to break the rules at a military cemetery.

The ones who were on stage at a Trump rally.

NO — they do not have that right either.

And Trump not take advantage of an opportunity?

Give me a break.

Just more excuses.

Seems it's you who are making excuses because you turned out to be incorrect about Harris and Biden not being invited.
A simple acceptance that you got it wrong would be sensible.

I have not seen any documented fact proving Biden & Harris were invited.

Words are just words. And I don’t trust these people to be honest about anything.

What evidence are you looking for?
A family member said on live TV explicitly that Biden/Harris were invited and did not respond.
Why is your requirement for evidence she was telling the truth higher than the bar for evidence you need to condemn Trump?

The white house says they weren't invited. Why a different standard of evidence there?

Everyone on this thread seems happy to believe whatever version favours their own bias.

originally posted by: Moon68

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: PorkChop96

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Glad to see you are circling right back to one of the only talking pints that you have even half an inch to stand on.

Could anyone see them as disrespectful, sure. Could anyone see them as not disrespectful, sure. Did Trump say it with disrespectful intent, why don't you go ask him about it.

Everything Trump has ever said about Veterans and their families has been taken out of context at one point or another by the media. Or completely misrepresented/fabricated all together, such as the ones about him saying "losers" and "suckers".


if you expect higher standards form the POTUS, why not get started with the current one that killed 13 brave US service men and women, rather than focus on one that hurt some feelings

If circle back you mean reference my original point then yes.

As pointed out in another link Kelly seems to think he made those comments, now it's not clear if that is first hand knowledge or not but certainly seems more than media lies if it's from Trumps former chief of staff.

Oh and Biden is an idiot, a fantasist and one of the worst serious presidential candidates of recent times. He just managed to be only the second worst serious presidental candidate in the last election.

And ahs been pointed out several times by several different people to be false.

First hand knowledge, from someone who was actually there was given, proving your "point" with Kelly to be false.

Second worst according to you, or to those that pay more attention than to what the media has to say about things?

Members of Trump staff saying it's false doesn't automatically make it false anymore than his chief of staff saying it automatically make it true.

Worse president/ candidate is always a matter of opinion. Discussing opinions is kind of the point of sites like this. SlHowever several posters seem to have serious issues with any negative opinion of Trump.

No issues with opinions, everyone is entitled to their own no matter how wrong it may be. The issue is when there's an assertion made without evidence to back it up.

The problem is you only seem to apply that to one side.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Keep pushing your head further into that sand bud, good look for you.

As I have said, we can talk negative opinions all we want, I will insert mine as well. False claims that have been disproven are where people get a little peeved.

Again claiming they have been disproven doesn't make it so.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Moon68

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: PorkChop96

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Glad to see you are circling right back to one of the only talking pints that you have even half an inch to stand on.

Could anyone see them as disrespectful, sure. Could anyone see them as not disrespectful, sure. Did Trump say it with disrespectful intent, why don't you go ask him about it.

Everything Trump has ever said about Veterans and their families has been taken out of context at one point or another by the media. Or completely misrepresented/fabricated all together, such as the ones about him saying "losers" and "suckers".


if you expect higher standards form the POTUS, why not get started with the current one that killed 13 brave US service men and women, rather than focus on one that hurt some feelings

If circle back you mean reference my original point then yes.

As pointed out in another link Kelly seems to think he made those comments, now it's not clear if that is first hand knowledge or not but certainly seems more than media lies if it's from Trumps former chief of staff.

Oh and Biden is an idiot, a fantasist and one of the worst serious presidential candidates of recent times. He just managed to be only the second worst serious presidental candidate in the last election.

And ahs been pointed out several times by several different people to be false.

First hand knowledge, from someone who was actually there was given, proving your "point" with Kelly to be false.

Second worst according to you, or to those that pay more attention than to what the media has to say about things?

Members of Trump staff saying it's false doesn't automatically make it false anymore than his chief of staff saying it automatically make it true.

Worse president/ candidate is always a matter of opinion. Discussing opinions is kind of the point of sites like this. SlHowever several posters seem to have serious issues with any negative opinion of Trump.

No issues with opinions, everyone is entitled to their own no matter how wrong it may be. The issue is when there's an assertion made without evidence to back it up.

The problem is you only seem to apply that to one side.

If you believe that then, "You know nothing Jon Snow"

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Again, you're right, being disproven makes them disproven.

Feel free to keep spewing your factless "opinion" all you want, just don't be surprised when people show up to prove you wrong.

Keep that head in the sand bud. Maybe one day you will find what you're looking for.

originally posted by: Moon68

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Moon68

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: PorkChop96

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Glad to see you are circling right back to one of the only talking pints that you have even half an inch to stand on.

Could anyone see them as disrespectful, sure. Could anyone see them as not disrespectful, sure. Did Trump say it with disrespectful intent, why don't you go ask him about it.

Everything Trump has ever said about Veterans and their families has been taken out of context at one point or another by the media. Or completely misrepresented/fabricated all together, such as the ones about him saying "losers" and "suckers".


if you expect higher standards form the POTUS, why not get started with the current one that killed 13 brave US service men and women, rather than focus on one that hurt some feelings

If circle back you mean reference my original point then yes.

As pointed out in another link Kelly seems to think he made those comments, now it's not clear if that is first hand knowledge or not but certainly seems more than media lies if it's from Trumps former chief of staff.

Oh and Biden is an idiot, a fantasist and one of the worst serious presidential candidates of recent times. He just managed to be only the second worst serious presidental candidate in the last election.

And ahs been pointed out several times by several different people to be false.

First hand knowledge, from someone who was actually there was given, proving your "point" with Kelly to be false.

Second worst according to you, or to those that pay more attention than to what the media has to say about things?

Members of Trump staff saying it's false doesn't automatically make it false anymore than his chief of staff saying it automatically make it true.

Worse president/ candidate is always a matter of opinion. Discussing opinions is kind of the point of sites like this. SlHowever several posters seem to have serious issues with any negative opinion of Trump.

No issues with opinions, everyone is entitled to their own no matter how wrong it may be. The issue is when there's an assertion made without evidence to back it up.

The problem is you only seem to apply that to one side.

If you believe that then, "You know nothing Jon Snow"

I do look rather fetching in black.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Again, you're right, being disproven makes them disproven.

Feel free to keep spewing your factless "opinion" all you want, just don't be surprised when people show up to prove you wrong.

Keep that head in the sand bud. Maybe one day you will find what you're looking for.

Repetition doesn't make it true either.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Again, you're right, being disproven makes them disproven.

Feel free to keep spewing your factless "opinion" all you want, just don't be surprised when people show up to prove you wrong.

Keep that head in the sand bud. Maybe one day you will find what you're looking for.

Repetition doesn't make it true either.

You can deny facts all you want bud, makes no difference to me. Just trying to lead the blind here.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Dandandat3

Yes; if aligations can not be proved with physical evidence; the default position should be to not believe the aligations.

No, it shouldn't. Life isn't a court room. There are many criterial facets to evaluate, including who's doing the accusing, and who's doing the denying.

But even in the courts that doesn't always apply. For example, the courts tend to believe police officers, regardless of the fact there is no physical evidence of their testimony.

I see.
So you would accept that there is validity in saying the 2020 election was stolen then, despite it not being proven in court? Right?

Trump lost! Even he knows that.

Trump admits he lost 2020 election ‘by a whisker’ during Lex Fridman podcast

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

This John Kelly?

Do you like to play tit for tat? You come up with one and people here list a dozen. Trump criticized Mattis, Kelly, and McCain, and they are sure the hell didn't like it, especially McCain who just could not get over Trump winning the Presidency, and he couldn't.

Trump's biggest fault during his first term was that he listened to others and put in a bunch of closet neocons and Pelosi-level liberals, I think he learned his lesson on that one.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Dandandat3

Yes; if aligations can not be proved with physical evidence; the default position should be to not believe the aligations.

No, it shouldn't. Life isn't a court room. There are many criterial facets to evaluate, including who's doing the accusing, and who's doing the denying.

But even in the courts that doesn't always apply. For example, the courts tend to believe police officers, regardless of the fact there is no physical evidence of their testimony.

I see.
So you would accept that there is validity in saying the 2020 election was stolen then, despite it not being proven in court? Right?

Trump lost! Even he knows that.

Trump admits he lost 2020 election ‘by a whisker’ during Lex Fridman podcast

That he lost is not in question - it's how he lost... massive voter fraud.
Remember I dont need a court to tell me that.