US Army Rebukes Trump Campaign

a reply to: BingoMcGoof

Afgan blunder

Blunder ? Seriously ?

That was not a blunder, that was a disaster that left 13 Americans and God knows how many Afghans dead, with billions in military hardware left for the taking.

...blunder.

a reply to: BingoMcGoof

I can see your point, Bingo; Trump doing what Trump does best. Who was it that said any kind of press-even bad press-was good?

I'm just pissed that this administration shows such a lack of patriotism. Never reaching out to devestated families, not showing up to events like this that traditionally a POTUS attends. Leaving American citizens without any official acknowledgement, like those during the Palestine train derailment.

Publicity stunt or not, at least Trump showed up....and gave support that should have come from our government.

Trump's the A-hole tht's always there when the chips are down; Biden and Harris are the A-holes that never show or offer support....even though it would look pretty good on their resume'.

originally posted by: BingoMcGoof

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: TinfoilTophat

Plus, who was doing the reporting and picture taking. In the Trump case it was his campaign crew but in the Obama case was it his own campaign crew or was it someone else. Might it have been press that followed him around or maybe a rando picture taker.

There is a far cry of a difference between to two pictures. With Obama's it was merely them walking along, in the Trump picture he was posing for the camera in his ''sacred'' moment.

Hi T,

That Obama photo intrigued me because there was no credit given in the photo description, so it could have been a random photographer.

However, I found a whole photoshoot of that visit... all available on Getty images and elsewhere. The photographer would appear to be Toby Jorrin, but I don't know if he took them all... The link has other photos of other events, too. Look out for the ones where the First Lady wears a sleeveless white blouse.

www.gettyimages.co.uk...

Was the law that prohibits photography in Section 60 already in force at the time? I'm stuck for time and can't check right now.

ETA: There was at least one other photographer... Leslie E. Kossoff.

Im thankful Trump visited the troops he was innocent of getting killed.

Im also thankful Joe didnt visit the troops he got put in there. He would have been busy looking at his watch or fiddling around.

a reply to: DAVID64

Sure, disaster. I agree. Sorry I used too weak a word there. i have used numerous words describing how I view that event ranging from fustercluck to atrocity but this time I guess I failed the ''not appropriate'' test .

He used video as a TikTok campaign ad. Smiling, thumbs up at the graves he was expressly told he could not photograph or video for a campaign ad. His campaign had some sort of tussle with an employee who declined to press charges for fear of retaliation.

Excuse away the behavior all you want. This was not authorized by the cemetery personnel/army.

a reply to: Encia22

You can download the policy here: ANC Media Policy pdf

Media and other ceremonies are held. They are approved in advance.

Here is what he violated besides the prior approval and other guidelines noted in the pdf:

(7) Media requesting to film the headstone or niche of an individual (including the Kennedy family gravesite) interred or inurned at the cemetery must provide the ANMC PAO with written authorization from the Primary Next of Kin (PNOK) or if applicable, Person Authorized to Direct Disposition (PADD). If family of the deceased are involved in the filming, the ANMC PAO will not permit any audio or microphones placed on family members or near the gravesite during the entirety of the media escort. Additionally, these escorts will be coordinated so as not to impede cemetery operations or funeral services.

(8) Filming or photographing will not be permitted if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization. Additionally, ANC will not authorize any filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes, in accordance with the Hatch Act, 32 CFR 553, and AR 360-1.

a reply to: TinfoilTophat

Also news today, it seems the Arlington cemetery worker that was assaulted by the Trump team decided she was not going to press any charges.

She said all she was trying to do was notify the group no one was allowed into the section and photos and video were not allowed. Trump staff assaulted her and pushed her, injuring her as she fell.

She will have more class than them and not file charges. The Army did rebuke the whole incident, especially since the Trump campaign did NOT have permission to go into a restricted section and take photos for political purposes.

The Army did offer to allow Trump in at a scheduled time, but they showed up outside of that time the Army would allow to meet them there, and just went in at their own.

Look, it's a good thing for Trump that the lady worker will not file charges against him and his team, but the bad news is this is already news. This is like when Trump used Mark Milley to get the military to clear a square of American citizens so he can have a photo op with an upside down Bible. This is the same type of disrespect, only he is not violating the right of living people, they are disrespecting a national cemetery where heroes are laid down.

This is very par for the Trump course.

originally posted by: BingoMcGoof
a reply to: Moon68

If you're trying to insinuate that the FAMILIES OF THE DEAD SOLDIERS were trying to create a campaign moment for President Trump, then you're a c*nt and can F- right off to the deepest bowels of Hell.

It is an entirely reasonable conjecture. Yet you are triggered to the MAX by it. So who is evaluating this situation from the more reasonable or rational approach. I would say that I am.

Not a reasonable conjecture in the least. I’m speaking, only with my own agency as a vet that’s lost many brothers and have first hand experience with the families of the lost, yeah, I most certainly am triggered by your assertion. To even entertain the idea that these families would try to use the deaths of their loved ones in this way is just utterly repugnant to any sense of decency. You should be ashamed to have made such an insinuation.

a reply to: Encia22

Hey . How ya doin.

I found elsewhere that photos are allowed in that section but only cemetery staff are allowed to do it. That makes sense. I guess there is a chance that photographer you found was an employee.

a reply to: Moon68

I take back my ''triggered' comment Moon. It was brash and uncalled for.

Yet I am not ready to discount or overly inflate my understanding of the emotions of those families. I appreciate your defense of them while at the same time note their willingness to make their central disgust with the Biden administration so public as they have.

originally posted by: BingoMcGoof
a reply to: Encia22
I found elsewhere that photos are allowed in that section but only cemetery staff are allowed to do it. That makes sense. I guess there is a chance that photographer you found was an employee.

That's correct, photography is not allowed at all at Arlington if you're going to profit off it, or use it for self promotion, being an influencer, an internet star or a wannabe star. Basically, can't exploit the nation's heroes for self promotion and profit.

“Federal law prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries, to include photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate’s campaign,” the statement said. “Arlington National Cemetery reinforced and widely shared this law and its prohibitions with all participants.”

Section 60 they were in is a smaller section reserved for the fallen of a couple of wars in particular, but the rules are not voided for anyone, even in that section.

Only trained, credentialed government staff photographers can take photos there, and those are never sold or used for politics or profit.

I guess the only thing he could do worse at this point, once it's done, is use those photos to ask for money in fundraising emails. We'll see if he goes that low.

originally posted by: BingoMcGoof
a reply to: Moon68

I take back my ''triggered' comment Moon. It was brash and uncalled for.

Yet I am not ready to discount or overly inflate my understanding of the emotions of those families. I appreciate your defense of them while at the same time note their willingness to make their central disgust with the Biden administration so public as they have.

Fair Bingo. The multiple families have released a statement regarding the incident, allowances that were made and stating they had asked for pictures and video to be taken. I’m unable to pull it up and post right now, but, unless someone else does it, I will tomorrow morning.

originally posted by: Moon68

originally posted by: BingoMcGoof
a reply to: Moon68

I take back my ''triggered' comment Moon. It was brash and uncalled for.

Yet I am not ready to discount or overly inflate my understanding of the emotions of those families. I appreciate your defense of them while at the same time note their willingness to make their central disgust with the Biden administration so public as they have.

Fair Bingo. The multiple families have released a statement regarding the incident, allowances that were made and stating they had asked for pictures and video to be taken. I’m unable to pull it up and post right now, but, unless someone else does it, I will tomorrow morning.

I would love to read that, hope someone else finds it.

The way things work is, during the funeral, a staff photographer is present. No one is allowed to take photos, bring their phones out or flash their flashes. The staff photographer may take good photos they are trained to take, such as the full casket with a flag over it, the casket being lowered, or the gun salute. All of these are done professionally, and the family will get those photos when they get the flag.

Getting aggressive with a cemetery employee and pushing them down is not normal behavior. Wonder if Trump will fire the people, or the person, that did this.

Anyways, I'd love to read that the families had permission to take photos. That would be news, for sure. It still would not give permission to political campaigns. All I could find was this:

Army says Arlington National Cemetery official was "abruptly pushed aside" during dispute with Trump campaign

And fallout from the family of a Green Beret buried there

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: TinfoilTophat

On April 4 2011 Obama announced his candidacy for reelection.

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is a photo of him visiting section 60 on September 10 2011.

www.defense.gov...

Joe Biden's Army is run by Alexander Vindman. That's all you need to know.

originally posted by: Moon68

originally posted by: BingoMcGoof
a reply to: Moon68

I take back my ''triggered' comment Moon. It was brash and uncalled for.

Yet I am not ready to discount or overly inflate my understanding of the emotions of those families. I appreciate your defense of them while at the same time note their willingness to make their central disgust with the Biden administration so public as they have.

Fair Bingo. The multiple families have released a statement regarding the incident, allowances that were made and stating they had asked for pictures and video to be taken. I’m unable to pull it up and post right now, but, unless someone else does it, I will tomorrow morning.

Again, even if they say OK. The policy states in part and can be downloaded from my link above:

Filming or photographing will not be permitted if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization. Additionally, ANC will not authorize any filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes, in accordance with the Hatch Act, 32 CFR 553, and AR 360-1.

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: TinfoilTophat

On April 4 2011 Obama announced his candidacy for reelection.

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is a photo of him visiting section 60 on September 10 2011.

www.defense.gov...

Joe Biden's Army is run by Alexander Vindman. That's all you need to know.

Hey, that first star you just got -- that's from me.

That's for being 100% consistent in deflecting away from important topics.

a reply to: Moon68

originally posted by: BingoMcGoof

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: BingoMcGoof

Just pointing out the ongoing TDS fueled hypocrisy.

Well then, I guess that means that it was wrong for both of them to do it, which I agree with but only if that photo of Obama was indeed a campaign tactic which I have already stated a counter to. He was sitting POTUS at the time and hence expected to be there by any press that would be interested, while in Trump's case it was photographed by his own campaign crew.

He thinks he’s President, I guess in His corrupt tiny brain , he is.
But he did make the news and got coverage of the big smile and a thumbs up at a dead soldiers grave.

a reply to: frogs453

Well well well

Joe Biden literally did a campaign ad at the graves in Arlington in 2020

Media and the Pentagon didn't even care

t.me...

Is there a (D)ifference?