A Super Unscientific Poll

a reply to: chr0naut

Elon isn’t a coder.
Most employees at X are libs.

All that said, I’d guess the majority of poll respondents are Republicans.
Libs hate Elon and would probably not even take the time to vote imo.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: charlest2

If you can't trust the actual vote where there is a lot of stuff to try and ensure that it is a fair representation of the voters, and you imply that the actual vote is fraudulent, then how could you trust something as obviously partisan as a poll on a social media platform whose manager/owner openly promotes one particular candidate?

Just because a thing isn't what you want it to be doesn't make it not True.

80% of Americans voting for Trump actually makes perfect sense when you consider the last four years we've had.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: chr0naut

Elon isn’t a coder.
Most employees at X are libs.

All that said, I’d guess the majority of poll respondents are Republicans.
Libs hate Elon and would be probably not even take the time to vote imo.

I disagree .

They would respond to spite him and prove a point .

Libs love to hide behind the internet .

a reply to: charlest2

Look at that lead. Everyone can sit back and let him coast in office on that wave.

a reply to: charlest2

I agree that polls are worthless because the media selectively polls groups for, as others have noted, 'confirmation bias' purposes of their readers.

BUT...there is one thing to note about polls which IS relevant. The MSM constantly reports "polls" to steer public opinion, regardless of their authenticity. This is the opposite of confirmation bias...this is propaganda and manipulation.

You can look at Fox news and CNN doing this all the time when they report Trump or Harris in the lead. CNN will report Trump in the lead, and ironically FOX will report Harris in the lead. It's a "mind F**k".

Furthermore, just about all of these reported "polls", where one candidate is reported to be ahead, are all WAY within the margin of error of the "poll". So, a "poll" will give a stat like 51% to 49%, and if you read the small print, you will see the margin of error is like 6%. So, the whole report is BULLSH!T..

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

They are there for clicks so they know giving him clicks only helps him and not them.
They loathe him almost as much as they loathe Trump.
Before he bought Twitter they loved him.
Before 2016 they loved Trump.
Strange times.

originally posted by: chr0naut
If you can't trust the actual vote where there is a lot of stuff to try and ensure that it is a fair representation of the voters, and you imply that the actual vote is fraudulent, then how could you trust something as obviously partisan as a poll on a social media platform whose manager/owner openly promotes one particular candidate?

Because I'm pretty sure that Elon Musk didn't truck in a lot of fake votes at 4 a.m. for his "vote."

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: charlest2

If you can't trust the actual vote where there is a lot of stuff to try and ensure that it is a fair representation of the voters, and you imply that the actual vote is fraudulent, then how could you trust something as obviously partisan as a poll on a social media platform whose manager/owner openly promotes one particular candidate?

This is exactly what all the 'children' on reddit hope...that they can sit in mommy's basement and click the "like" and "vote" button, and never have to get up off their ass (because they can't, or their underage) to actually DO something.

Some "online" poll is FAR from an "actual vote"! It's just internet BS.

The biggest problem is the truckloads of votes from non-persons, and dead people, rolling in at 4am on Nov. 6th.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: charlest2

If you can't trust the actual vote where there is a lot of stuff to try and ensure that it is a fair representation of the voters, and you imply that the actual vote is fraudulent, then how could you trust something as obviously partisan as a poll on a social media platform whose manager/owner openly promotes one particular candidate?

Just because a thing isn't what you want it to be doesn't make it not True.

80% of Americans voting for Trump actually makes perfect sense when you consider the last four years we've had.

Prior to the 2016 Election in poll results, Trump's average favourability to win was around 37.5%:

Election 2016 Facvourability Ratings

When Trump won the Presidency in 2016, he had 45.9 % of the popular votes (2.1 % less than Clinton):

2016 Presidential Election Results

During his term of office, his favourability never rose above 49%:

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Donald Trump

In the 2020 election, he lost with 46.8% of the vote.

Presidential Election Results: Biden Wins

While Biden was in office, Trump's average favourability in polls stayed below 44%:

Do Americans have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Donald Trump?

He has never had the ridiculous approval numbers that he has claimed. It just didn't happen.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: charlest2

If you can't trust the actual vote where there is a lot of stuff to try and ensure that it is a fair representation of the voters, and you imply that the actual vote is fraudulent, then how could you trust something as obviously partisan as a poll on a social media platform whose manager/owner openly promotes one particular candidate?

This is exactly what all the 'children' on reddit hope...that they can sit in mommy's basement and click the "like" and "vote" button, and never have to get up off their ass (because they can't, or their underage) to actually DO something.

Some "online" poll is FAR from an "actual vote"! It's just internet BS.

The biggest problem is the truckloads of votes from non-persons, and dead people, rolling in at 4am on Nov. 6th.

Allegedly. None of the claims stood up in court.

a reply to: chr0naut

If nothing else, you are entertaining.

...in a twisted sort of way.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WeMustCare
a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

NO Pollsters ask 8.6 million people what they think. That Musk poll is YUGE!

The normal poll sampling is a thousand or so people on landlines.

So, yes, this is interesting.

But none of this means a damn thing if SWING states are run by crooks who are anti-Trump. Michigan had more 2020 votes cast than there are registered voters. The Michigan Secretary of State and Governor and Attorney General said "that's not true!". Only one Michigan judge agreed there was fraud. His boss shut him up.

Thankfully, the RNC (Republican National Committee) is now run by HONEST MAGA Republicans. They filed a lawsuit against Michigan in March 2024 to get the voter rolls cleaned up.

Source: theconservativetreehouse.com... oticed-stuff/#more-254182

Oh, I know all that.

I posted on here in 2019 that Biden couldn't possibly win because although Democrats will normally cheat at a 7-8% rate in certain swing districts, they would have to do about 20% in the same districts to get Biden over the top and that was too much of a cheat to ignore.

I was quite wrong.

They DID do that and for the most part, it was ignored.

For Harris, they are going to have to up their game to 30-35% and have it be ignored.

Will it be this time?

~shrug~

The cheat was surgical and minimal, but expertly placed.

In Wisconsin for example, 3.5 million people voted, but Biden won by only 20,000, and not until after the White Truck pulled up and unloaded several packages at the counting center in Milwaukee, just after 3:15am.

Similar late-night occurrances happened in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Arizona.

The leader of this "Election Fraud Organization" candidate Biden referenced, will be arrested by the Trump DOJ.

Remember...before the 2020 election, Donald Trump told the assembled media...."We've Caught Them in the Act. We've Caught Them All". The news media either knew what he meant, or didn't care, because not a single follow-up question was asked on that subject.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: chr0naut

Elon isn’t a coder.
Most employees at X are libs.

All that said, I’d guess the majority of poll respondents are Republicans.
Libs hate Elon and would be probably not even take the time to vote imo.

I disagree .

They would respond to spite him and prove a point .

Libs love to hide behind the internet .

The coders would have written the code before it was put online, and would not have either the need, or the opportunity, to tweak the code after the fact when the poll was closed.

And it doesn't take coders to edit the outcome numbers in a table or spreadsheet.

One might even edit the numbers while the poll was ongoing, in ways that would not be obvious to someone looking at a summary web console (like taking votes off to 'hold' the displayed percentages or counts to a percentage point or to the same values between the web widget's refresh rate).

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WeMustCare
a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

NO Pollsters ask 8.6 million people what they think. That Musk poll is YUGE!

The normal poll sampling is a thousand or so people on landlines.

So, yes, this is interesting.

But none of this means a damn thing if SWING states are run by crooks who are anti-Trump. Michigan had more 2020 votes cast than there are registered voters. The Michigan Secretary of State and Governor and Attorney General said "that's not true!". Only one Michigan judge agreed there was fraud. His boss shut him up.

Thankfully, the RNC (Republican National Committee) is now run by HONEST MAGA Republicans. They filed a lawsuit against Michigan in March 2024 to get the voter rolls cleaned up.

Source: theconservativetreehouse.com... oticed-stuff/#more-254182

Oh, I know all that.

I posted on here in 2019 that Biden couldn't possibly win because although Democrats will normally cheat at a 7-8% rate in certain swing districts, they would have to do about 20% in the same districts to get Biden over the top and that was too much of a cheat to ignore.

I was quite wrong.

They DID do that and for the most part, it was ignored.

For Harris, they are going to have to up their game to 30-35% and have it be ignored.

Will it be this time?

~shrug~

The cheat was surgical and minimal, but expertly placed.

In Wisconsin for example, 3.5 million people voted, but Biden won by only 20,000, and not until after the White Truck pulled up and unloaded several packages at the counting center in Milwaukee, just after 3:15am.

Similar late-night occurrances happened in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Arizona.

The leader of this "Election Fraud Organization" candidate Biden referenced, will be arrested by the Trump DOJ.

Remember...before the 2020 election, Donald Trump told the assembled media...."We've Caught Them in the Act. We've Caught Them All". The news media either knew what he meant, or didn't care, because not a single follow-up question was asked on that subject.

If 'the act' was changing the number of votes, and Trump announced that he'd "caught them in the act" before the election occurred, how did he do that? Is he a time travelling wizard?

Wouldn't such a statement by obviously fraudulent?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: charlest2

If you can't trust the actual vote where there is a lot of stuff to try and ensure that it is a fair representation of the voters, and you imply that the actual vote is fraudulent, then how could you trust something as obviously partisan as a poll on a social media platform whose manager/owner openly promotes one particular candidate?

This is exactly what all the 'children' on reddit hope...that they can sit in mommy's basement and click the "like" and "vote" button, and never have to get up off their ass (because they can't, or their underage) to actually DO something.

Some "online" poll is FAR from an "actual vote"! It's just internet BS.

The biggest problem is the truckloads of votes from non-persons, and dead people, rolling in at 4am on Nov. 6th.

Allegedly. None of the claims stood up in court.

None of the claims were admitted in court.

An entirely different thing.

Because they didn't have "standing".

The Federal Election Commission had "standing", but would not entertain any lawsuits.

simply because...

The commission was unable to function from late August 2019 to December 2020, with an exception for the period of May 2020 to July 2020, due to lack of a quorum. In the absence of a quorum, the commission could not vote on complaints or give guidance through advisory opinions. As of May 19, 2020, there were 350 outstanding matters on the agency's enforcement docket and 227 items waiting for action. In December 2020, three commissioners were appointed to restore a quorum; however, deadlocks arising from the equal number of members from the Republican and Democratic parties with the absence of a tie-breaking vote has resulted in some controversial investigations not being pursued.

If you are going to be the resident Kiwi expert on American politics, at least learn the basics.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WeMustCare
a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

NO Pollsters ask 8.6 million people what they think. That Musk poll is YUGE!

The normal poll sampling is a thousand or so people on landlines.

So, yes, this is interesting.

But none of this means a damn thing if SWING states are run by crooks who are anti-Trump. Michigan had more 2020 votes cast than there are registered voters. The Michigan Secretary of State and Governor and Attorney General said "that's not true!". Only one Michigan judge agreed there was fraud. His boss shut him up.

Thankfully, the RNC (Republican National Committee) is now run by HONEST MAGA Republicans. They filed a lawsuit against Michigan in March 2024 to get the voter rolls cleaned up.

Source: theconservativetreehouse.com... oticed-stuff/#more-254182

Oh, I know all that.

I posted on here in 2019 that Biden couldn't possibly win because although Democrats will normally cheat at a 7-8% rate in certain swing districts, they would have to do about 20% in the same districts to get Biden over the top and that was too much of a cheat to ignore.

I was quite wrong.

They DID do that and for the most part, it was ignored.

For Harris, they are going to have to up their game to 30-35% and have it be ignored.

Will it be this time?

~shrug~

The cheat was surgical and minimal, but expertly placed.

In Wisconsin for example, 3.5 million people voted, but Biden won by only 20,000, and not until after the White Truck pulled up and unloaded several packages at the counting center in Milwaukee, just after 3:15am.

Similar late-night occurrances happened in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Arizona.

The leader of this "Election Fraud Organization" candidate Biden referenced, will be arrested by the Trump DOJ.

Remember...before the 2020 election, Donald Trump told the assembled media...."We've Caught Them in the Act. We've Caught Them All". The news media either knew what he meant, or didn't care, because not a single follow-up question was asked on that subject.

If 'the act' was changing the number of votes, and Trump announced that he'd "caught them in the act" before the election occurred, how did he do that? Is he a time travelling wizard?

Wouldn't such a statement by obviously fraudulent?

He caught the way they did it... ballot harvesting that was done before the election.

Mail in voting.

Keep up.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

That's called "trolling," and, frankly, it's probably the only the only tactic that has any hope of working on a demographic like the left that is completely lacking in self-awareness, unable to reason logically or thing cogently, and unwilling to engage with facts.

You’ve already lost if you think you can win them.

...

Oh, no! I don't think that trolling will win anybody. But it's funny as hell to watch.

I see trolling as kind of a modern day form of satire. Satire does not work anymore, either, because for satire to achieve its end it requires self-awareness and critical thinking skills on the part of the target audience, much like trolling. Most progressive/leftist/commie/socialist/democrat/justice warrior/woke types have no capacity for self-awareness or critical thinking, so the satire/trolling won't work on them. In a perfect world, it would, but we are far from that perfect world.

Have a look at Jonathan Swift's satirical essay, A Modest Proposal.

You may either read it on-line, download it to read at your leisure, or listen to it in audio book format with scrolling text. Here's the audio book embedded...



This essay is considered the first real example of satire in English literature, but really it was a massive troll. I'm sure that there were multitudes of dunder-heads who were shocked at what Swift proposed.

The Babylon Bee is satire, but it is also a major troll. When "mainstream media" is publishing "factchecks" on The Bee content, it has become a troll!

Trolling, satire, whatever you want to call it. It is an art form and I appreciate it.
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: charlest2

If you can't trust the actual vote where there is a lot of stuff to try and ensure that it is a fair representation of the voters, and you imply that the actual vote is fraudulent, then how could you trust something as obviously partisan as a poll on a social media platform whose manager/owner openly promotes one particular candidate?

This is exactly what all the 'children' on reddit hope...that they can sit in mommy's basement and click the "like" and "vote" button, and never have to get up off their ass (because they can't, or their underage) to actually DO something.

Some "online" poll is FAR from an "actual vote"! It's just internet BS.

The biggest problem is the truckloads of votes from non-persons, and dead people, rolling in at 4am on Nov. 6th.

Allegedly. None of the claims stood up in court.

None of the claims were admitted in court.

An entirely different thing.

Because they didn't have "standing".

The Federal Election Commission had "standing", but would not entertain any lawsuits.

simply because...

The commission was unable to function from late August 2019 to December 2020, with an exception for the period of May 2020 to July 2020, due to lack of a quorum. In the absence of a quorum, the commission could not vote on complaints or give guidance through advisory opinions. As of May 19, 2020, there were 350 outstanding matters on the agency's enforcement docket and 227 items waiting for action. In December 2020, three commissioners were appointed to restore a quorum; however, deadlocks arising from the equal number of members from the Republican and Democratic parties with the absence of a tie-breaking vote has resulted in some controversial investigations not being pursued.

If you are going to be the resident Kiwi expert on American politics, at least learn the basics.

So the FEC were not able to operate between 2019 and July 2020 (under Trump's term of office).

Trump has been baselessly declaring elections to be rigged since 2012. It's his standard rhetoric. It doesn't mean that he has any objective reason or proof for it, just the suggestion gets people all 'worked-up', and so he keeps repeating it.

@realDonaldTrump on Twitter from 2012

If he was concerned about electoral fraud, why didn't he do anything about it at any time during his Presidency? In fact, it actually looks like the 'Trump camp' tried to hobble attempts to ensure electoral integrity, doesn't it? Or am I reading the time-frame entirely wrong?

Despite that, the FEC were back up and running again before the 2020 election, the one which Trump most contested.

And all the challenges to the integrity of the November 2020 election would have been brought to court after then, when the FEC was up and running - under the Biden administration.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WeMustCare
a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

NO Pollsters ask 8.6 million people what they think. That Musk poll is YUGE!

The normal poll sampling is a thousand or so people on landlines.

So, yes, this is interesting.

But none of this means a damn thing if SWING states are run by crooks who are anti-Trump. Michigan had more 2020 votes cast than there are registered voters. The Michigan Secretary of State and Governor and Attorney General said "that's not true!". Only one Michigan judge agreed there was fraud. His boss shut him up.

Thankfully, the RNC (Republican National Committee) is now run by HONEST MAGA Republicans. They filed a lawsuit against Michigan in March 2024 to get the voter rolls cleaned up.

Source: theconservativetreehouse.com... oticed-stuff/#more-254182

Oh, I know all that.

I posted on here in 2019 that Biden couldn't possibly win because although Democrats will normally cheat at a 7-8% rate in certain swing districts, they would have to do about 20% in the same districts to get Biden over the top and that was too much of a cheat to ignore.

I was quite wrong.

They DID do that and for the most part, it was ignored.

For Harris, they are going to have to up their game to 30-35% and have it be ignored.

Will it be this time?

~shrug~

The cheat was surgical and minimal, but expertly placed.

In Wisconsin for example, 3.5 million people voted, but Biden won by only 20,000, and not until after the White Truck pulled up and unloaded several packages at the counting center in Milwaukee, just after 3:15am.

Similar late-night occurrances happened in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Arizona.

The leader of this "Election Fraud Organization" candidate Biden referenced, will be arrested by the Trump DOJ.

Remember...before the 2020 election, Donald Trump told the assembled media...."We've Caught Them in the Act. We've Caught Them All". The news media either knew what he meant, or didn't care, because not a single follow-up question was asked on that subject.

If 'the act' was changing the number of votes, and Trump announced that he'd "caught them in the act" before the election occurred, how did he do that? Is he a time travelling wizard?

Wouldn't such a statement by obviously fraudulent?

He caught the way they did it... ballot harvesting that was done before the election.

Mail in voting.

Keep up.

He was supposed to be the President! If he had hard evidence of electoral fraud, why didn't he push to get it prosecuted? Upholding the law and protecting the Constitution is part of his pledge of office.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WeMustCare
a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

NO Pollsters ask 8.6 million people what they think. That Musk poll is YUGE!

The normal poll sampling is a thousand or so people on landlines.

So, yes, this is interesting.

But none of this means a damn thing if SWING states are run by crooks who are anti-Trump. Michigan had more 2020 votes cast than there are registered voters. The Michigan Secretary of State and Governor and Attorney General said "that's not true!". Only one Michigan judge agreed there was fraud. His boss shut him up.

Thankfully, the RNC (Republican National Committee) is now run by HONEST MAGA Republicans. They filed a lawsuit against Michigan in March 2024 to get the voter rolls cleaned up.

Source: theconservativetreehouse.com... oticed-stuff/#more-254182

Oh, I know all that.

I posted on here in 2019 that Biden couldn't possibly win because although Democrats will normally cheat at a 7-8% rate in certain swing districts, they would have to do about 20% in the same districts to get Biden over the top and that was too much of a cheat to ignore.

I was quite wrong.

They DID do that and for the most part, it was ignored.

For Harris, they are going to have to up their game to 30-35% and have it be ignored.

Will it be this time?

~shrug~

The cheat was surgical and minimal, but expertly placed.

In Wisconsin for example, 3.5 million people voted, but Biden won by only 20,000, and not until after the White Truck pulled up and unloaded several packages at the counting center in Milwaukee, just after 3:15am.

Similar late-night occurrances happened in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Arizona.

The leader of this "Election Fraud Organization" candidate Biden referenced, will be arrested by the Trump DOJ.

Remember...before the 2020 election, Donald Trump told the assembled media...."We've Caught Them in the Act. We've Caught Them All". The news media either knew what he meant, or didn't care, because not a single follow-up question was asked on that subject.

If 'the act' was changing the number of votes, and Trump announced that he'd "caught them in the act" before the election occurred, how did he do that? Is he a time travelling wizard?

Wouldn't such a statement by obviously fraudulent?

He caught the way they did it... ballot harvesting that was done before the election.

Mail in voting.

Keep up.

He was supposed to be the President! If he had hard evidence of electoral fraud, why didn't he push to get it prosecuted? Upholding the law and protecting the Constitution is part of his pledge of office.

It's always fascinated me your Constant Interest in American Politics .

Even though you reside in a Foreign nation , An Island Nation for that fact far removed from American Politics.

you claim to be center right in Politics and yet you blatantly support America's Left which is extreme Left at this point .

I guess my point is stop Lying to yourself and just come on out with your Socialist Love , It's okay I wont judge you mate .