America is hopelessly lost, if we don't enforce laws...

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: chr0naut

That's what you get when you have DAs and judges that don't enforce the laws they are there for.

Or, the legal system, where acts of Congress, or sometimes even case-law, can override the US Constitution (eg: what has been done with FISA and with the Espionage Act).

I think that DA's and Judges must conform to the letter of the law, but that the plethora of legal rulings has muddied the waters until 'up is down' and no-one can make sense anymore and the guy with the slickest lawyer will win over the guy who is innocent and careful to never transgress.

This is an across the board issue, not just blue vs red cities. Yes, it is more prominent in certain cities vs others. But, when you have a guy that is a 3, 4, or 5 time offender and all they get is a slap on the wrist, what message does that send to others who are doing, or want to do, the same thing?

On the other hand, you have a lot of people whose cases are re-evaluated in the light of new evidence and are found to be innocent of the crimes they have been convicted of. How do you un-execute someone wrongfully committed for a crime?

You also have a presumption of innocence until proven guilty, which means that if you don't have enough evidence, you just can't convict.

I can think of 34 crimes where there was no incarceration.

Surreal. In the very near future, we're going to be using the crime statistics of 2024 that include Trump's crimes.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: chr0naut
This was a great neighbourhood till our government decided, without our consent, to move in illegal immigrant animals among us. And they are animals.

All homo-sapiens are members of the animal kingdom.

a reply to: chr0naut

You said crime was down in the US and now you're trying to move the goal posts to include other countries.

Let me be perfectly clear. I don't care about other countries.
Not my people.
Not my country.
Not my problem.

a reply to: chr0naut

Our entire system here is F'ed, to say the very least.

Too many times are rulings left up to judges to decide, even after full trials and a guilty conviction, where they easily overturn the juries decision based on their belief of guilt or innocence.

Hence kind of why almost all, if not all, executions require "beyond a shadow of a doubt" convictions to be carried out.

Innocent until proven guilty is all good and well, if it is enforced equally across the board. It never is. And even if someone is guilty, in cases such as certain political candidates DUI convictions form the 90s, they are given a slap on the wrist and sent along their merry way to go and do it again.

Bring back public hangings for murder. Bring in mandatory castration for rape. Start to show criminals that their are consequences for their actions and they might think twice before robbing that little lady walking down the street for the $20 she has in her purse.

a reply to: chr0naut

Feel free to drop an address where we can start sending them over to you.

Then you will see what the reality of what the US is dealing with first hand.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: MetalThunder

The "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!" slogan that you have in your avatar could easily be conceived by some as an incitement to physical violence and civil disobedience.

I mean, if you wanted to support a particular political cause/party, "vote, vote, vote" would be a far better and more legally and Constitutionally compliant way to achieve things.

Does that, perhaps, make you one of the 'evil' people?

The Harris/Walz campaign slogan is "When We Fight We Win"

Are you saying they're evil?

So no border crisis, the economy is doing great and crime is down? If any of these were true the country would know it! But instead we have what we have now, a huge mess. Don't believe your eyes believe the people that have been deceiving you those whole time. Has anything this administration claimed turned out to be true?

originally posted by: ADVISOR
This is what the election is over.

Are we a land of Laws, that are equally enforced?

Or.

Are we a land of double standards and hypocrisy, where laws are selectively enforced base on politics?

We the People, decide where America ends up...

Retired NYPD Lt. exposes how Biden-Harris admin 'skewed' crime record: 'Doesn't take a qualitative genius'

The White House bragged that its policies contributed to record low crime in America but Retired New York City Police Lt. Darrin Porcher said the data is 'skewed'

Retired NYPD officer discussed the White House's recent revealing how they are fighting crime in the U.S.

Porcher said that realistically that there has been a "meteoric rise" in the past three years under Biden's leadership.

"There's been a meteoric rise in crime over the last three years under the Biden administration, as we relate to either the migrant crisis, violent crimes that are occurring in the cities or the counties that common citizens live in," he said.

"Perception is key," Porcher said. "Whenever we as a public perceive that crime is higher, that is when it is incumbent on the government to enforce the rule of law."

The former NYPD Lieutenant said that "history is the best teller of what lies in the future," and to consider the result of progressive agendas in major U.S. cities like Los Angeles, Chicago and New York City.

"When we speak to what's happening in the larger cities, history is the best teller of what lies in the future," he said. "If you don't pay attention, you're going to embark upon the same mistakes that happened in the past."

So when we look at a lot of the larger cities, such as Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, New York, we clearly see there's a consistent narrative that is a progressive agenda that does not move towards punishing criminals," he said. "But it seems that law abiding citizens are the recipients of a miscarriage of justice."

"Criminals are being provided with more rights, and fewer rights are being forwarded to us as common citizens," Porcher said.

Democrats do not enforce Law equally if at all

There's nothing to debate here.

Either you are for Law being enforced, equally, or you are not.

That's what the elections are about this year.

Constitutional Republic, if We the People, can keep it...

You the people do not decide 😂 you select someone to decide for you, in the hope they do operate like the picture on the box

originally posted by: chr0naut

Because a lie is not free-speech. The government cannot implement a law that prevents someone from lying, but private individuals and governments can prosecute a liar.

So is Kamal going to prosecute herself than?

a reply to: chr0naut

What lies are "protected speech"? Give examples

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: chr0naut

Our entire system here is F'ed, to say the very least.

Too many times are rulings left up to judges to decide, even after full trials and a guilty conviction, where they easily overturn the juries decision based on their belief of guilt or innocence.

Hence kind of why almost all, if not all, executions require "beyond a shadow of a doubt" convictions to be carried out.

Innocent until proven guilty is all good and well, if it is enforced equally across the board. It never is. And even if someone is guilty, in cases such as certain political candidates DUI convictions form the 90s, they are given a slap on the wrist and sent along their merry way to go and do it again.

Bring back public hangings for murder. Bring in mandatory castration for rape. Start to show criminals that their are consequences for their actions and they might think twice before robbing that little lady walking down the street for the $20 she has in her purse.

Affluenza anyone? I heard a rumour that the most deadliest virus since the wuflu is infecting wealthy people!

Only one courtroom diagnosis so far, but the wealthy are advised to isolate and take an absolutely, positively definitely proven by concensus to cure, one time only shot and it’s two booster shots.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tolkien

originally posted by: kwaka

it's a brilliant plan. If you stop arresting people, the "crime rate" goes down.

It is fixing the inflation problem. Just stop count the price increase of the goods people use.

Or just simply lie about it.

Democrats say lying is OK, right ?

The end justifies the means....

Trump's supporters say his lies are protected free speech. A Constitutional right set in the 1st amendment.

But the US Constitution only sets limits on what the government can legislate, and does not cover personal rights, so someone who lies to someone else, is prosecutable of committing fraud, or perjury, or defamation.

Because a lie is not free-speech. The government cannot implement a law that prevents someone from lying, but private individuals and governments can prosecute a liar.

Sadly, lying is free speech.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ADVISOR

Yeah, the crime rate is nowhere near what it was in the 1990's.

Make the American crime rate Great Again?

U.S. Crime Rate & Statistics 1960-2024

Also, by some measures, crime rates have been falling in recent years:

What the data says about crime in the U.S.

Neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party are a threat to the Constitutional Republic. It's biggest threats are those of small numbers of its armed radicalized citizens who are prepared to take violent action against the majority of their fellow Americans, to threats real or imagined.

The problem is that since many cities refuse to act on reported crimes (since the DNC decided that cops should be universally hated during the George Floyd nonsense) then there is also LESS crime. You will have to not trust reality anymore.

BTW, anyone with a 2 volt chicken brain can see that the DNC's anti cop push is a set up for there to be complete local failures wherein the FEDS come in to "save the day" and thus increasing the power and control of a centralized system. I will reasonably assume that many of the cities attacked by antifa and BLM rioters during the "summer of love" have somehow allowed their local law enforcement to "join hands" with their federal overlords. And of course it gives corrupt mayors the ability to shed historical law enforcement officials for "new" law enforcement officials who will do their bidding as well as check as many DEI boxes as possible so they can negotiate better debt terms with a certain Fink.

PS. If you are a kiwi as your avatar area suggests, there is no way you can possibly understand the oddity of the United States demographically and the problems associated with that, as well as it is even possibly sensible for a small (very small) population of a country like new zealand to be comfortable with more centralized control as it is much easier for you to register complaints against them if things start to get ugly. In the USA, which is I think the 3rd most populated country on earth, the citizens become numbers to the top tier. We have become just data to these people and their plans and that is very obvious. Also, NZ seemed to be really happy to give up rights during the COVID issue, so I am not so sure why your countrymen and women and "they's", seem so happy to go along with globalist garbage. Maybe there is something in the water there that makes you eager to do as you are told.

originally posted by: underpass61

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: MetalThunder

The "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!" slogan that you have in your avatar could easily be conceived by some as an incitement to physical violence and civil disobedience.

I mean, if you wanted to support a particular political cause/party, "vote, vote, vote" would be a far better and more legally and Constitutionally compliant way to achieve things.

Does that, perhaps, make you one of the 'evil' people?

The Harris/Walz campaign slogan is "When We Fight We Win"

Are you saying they're evil?

Your entire country seems to glorify violence.

You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:16-20

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: chr0naut

Feel free to drop an address where we can start sending them over to you.

Then you will see what the reality of what the US is dealing with first hand.

It is broadcast around the world. Your history, your news, and even your entertainment.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: chr0naut

Because a lie is not free-speech. The government cannot implement a law that prevents someone from lying, but private individuals and governments can prosecute a liar.

So is Kamal going to prosecute herself than?

You do know that you have a legal system there. No-one should be above the law, even High-Court judges and Presidents. It is the very definition of corruption.

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: chr0naut

What lies are "protected speech"? Give examples

In other countries, police lying during interrogation is grounds for the case to be thrown out of court.

In America, lying to obtain a confession is standard police procedure.

Your law of the land is based on unethical commission of crime by its own law enforcement. Lying is treated as legally inconsequential in America. That is why there can be no trust of authority there.

originally posted by: Tolkien

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tolkien

originally posted by: kwaka

it's a brilliant plan. If you stop arresting people, the "crime rate" goes down.

It is fixing the inflation problem. Just stop count the price increase of the goods people use.

Or just simply lie about it.

Democrats say lying is OK, right ?

The end justifies the means....

Trump's supporters say his lies are protected free speech. A Constitutional right set in the 1st amendment.

But the US Constitution only sets limits on what the government can legislate, and does not cover personal rights, so someone who lies to someone else, is prosecutable of committing fraud, or perjury, or defamation.

Because a lie is not free-speech. The government cannot implement a law that prevents someone from lying, but private individuals and governments can prosecute a liar.

Sadly, lying is free speech.

Way to get systematically lied to most of the time.

Who would build the legal basis of a nation on such idiocy? And who could trust anyone in authority when lying is expected.

The laws of Moses and Hammurabi both prohibit lying.

Most countries, for most of history, have prohibitions against lying, but not America. Figure it out. You aren't the good guys.

originally posted by: berbofthegreen

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ADVISOR

Yeah, the crime rate is nowhere near what it was in the 1990's.

Make the American crime rate Great Again?

U.S. Crime Rate & Statistics 1960-2024

Also, by some measures, crime rates have been falling in recent years:

What the data says about crime in the U.S.

Neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party are a threat to the Constitutional Republic. It's biggest threats are those of small numbers of its armed radicalized citizens who are prepared to take violent action against the majority of their fellow Americans, to threats real or imagined.

The problem is that since many cities refuse to act on reported crimes (since the DNC decided that cops should be universally hated during the George Floyd nonsense) then there is also LESS crime. You will have to not trust reality anymore.

BTW, anyone with a 2 volt chicken brain can see that the DNC's anti cop push is a set up for there to be complete local failures wherein the FEDS come in to "save the day" and thus increasing the power and control of a centralized system. I will reasonably assume that many of the cities attacked by antifa and BLM rioters during the "summer of love" have somehow allowed their local law enforcement to "join hands" with their federal overlords. And of course it gives corrupt mayors the ability to shed historical law enforcement officials for "new" law enforcement officials who will do their bidding as well as check as many DEI boxes as possible so they can negotiate better debt terms with a certain Fink.

PS. If you are a kiwi as your avatar area suggests, there is no way you can possibly understand the oddity of the United States demographically and the problems associated with that, as well as it is even possibly sensible for a small (very small) population of a country like new zealand to be comfortable with more centralized control as it is much easier for you to register complaints against them if things start to get ugly. In the USA, which is I think the 3rd most populated country on earth, the citizens become numbers to the top tier. We have become just data to these people and their plans and that is very obvious. Also, NZ seemed to be really happy to give up rights during the COVID issue, so I am not so sure why your countrymen and women and "they's", seem so happy to go along with globalist garbage. Maybe there is something in the water there that makes you eager to do as you are told.

You can never trust anyone if everyone is encouraged to lie as a 'right'.

The problem existed before the DNC did.