The OKC Bombing Conspiracy

The part I am not seeing much focus on here, is the fact that there were unexploded bombs INSIDE the building that needed to be dealt with. A news segment from one of Alex Jones documentaries shows that there were specialists there after the explosion to get rid of a couple of unexploded bombs on a couple of the support columns INSIDE the federal building. This IS fact. The part that really doesn’t make sense to me is how do you get bombs INSIDE of a federal building and plant them on the columns. That bit of info alone stinks to me and points directly to something OTHER than the truth.

AGAIN – how do you get bombs inside a federal building and plant them on the columns?

I was there that day... About 100 feet from the first quarantine zone...
they made an announcement that there were other bombs found, and they had to move everyone back another few blocks...

the policeman that I spoke with (perimeter guard) said that they probably were talking about heavy arms that were being held in the various weapons lockers in the ATF, DEA, ect...

He described a shoulder fired rocket that would probably have been there...
I would guess some other explosives were kept there also...
these were probably being kept there against government policy (due to the closeness of so many civilians and children)

so it is no wonder that they would want to cover this up...
another embarassing Opps... contributing to larger conspiracy theories...

mistakes were made by many that day (and previous days)....
mistakes are forgivable... we are all human...
I just hope no further "mistakes" were made in trying to cover up these embarrasing errors.
that would be the true crime in the conspiracy...

I had to go to Tulsa June 15, 1995. It was about two months after the bombing of the FBI building in Ok City. I stopped to view the clean-up effort as well as the distruction that still covered many downtown buildings.

One thing I noticed that made me believe that a Ryder truck full of fertilizer didn't cause all that damage was a look at the buildings that were blocks away. These buildings had blown out widows which you would expect. But, they also had huge Steel I-Beam structures that were twisted from the blast.

To twist large building I beam structures takes more explosive power than a 24 feet long bed Ryder truck full of fertilizer. This brings me to several conclusions:
1.) C-4 was hidden under the fertilizer
2.) Bombs were placed at other strategic places around the FBI building.
3.) The FBI secret toys added to the destructive detonation that occurred
4.) All the above occurred

I live over 15 miles from downtown...

do you know what a harley davidson sounds like?
I had one right outside my wall that day ... an extremely loud one...
I didn't realize until later that it wasn't a harley... it was the repurcussive blast from the downtown bomb...
the sound richoched off the taller buildings across from it and echoed all the way to edmond (a town north of OKC).

the sound/blast waves caused alot of the windows to shatter downtown...

this building did not go down cleanly (as if by planted charge)
in fact, it went down ragged as hell... with pieces continueing to fall away for some time...

I highly doubt that there were any planted charges...
but that does not mean that there weren't explosives in the building that day...
we are talking about the offices of the ATF, FBI, I think the DEA, and Customs...
ever seen these guys on a "field op"?
they come armed for bear... and usually wearing bullet proof vests/helmets.
whatever weapons you saw being used at WACO/ruby ridge were probably being stored there... and much more I suspect...

well...I've been on this one for quite sometime...so I'll try a shot here.

the ANFO bomb..... As described , could not have done the damage we were told ! so there had to be
a sleeper [an unidentified device ] in the ryder truck .

and if , on the outside chance the truck blast, DID do, the damage claimed to the concrete pillars etc ,
then what blew enuf of the bldg across the street to destroy that restaurant ? it could not have been the truck bomb ! it had to of been blown there , by another device going off.

almost forgot...the elevators which were on the opposite side of the bldg reportedly had the elevators doors blown in , which means a blast that would
meet the blast coming from the truck ! from opposing sides !

so at minimum , we have a misidentified device in the truck !

and no mention of what ever blew up inside the bldg , which blew in the elevators doors and propelled a mass of concrete against the blast coming from the truck bomb ! !

forensics would have told us what propelled a mass of concrete into the restaurant and destroying it. [ had there been any forensics ]

I hope that was clear ?

any thoughts ?

I see your point...
I also do not beleive that an ANFO bomb could have done it all, but I consider the likelyhood of the ATF/FBI armament to be a more likely source for the additional explosion...
they would of course run a coverup to prevent looking bad... (well, it wouldn't have fallen down if the FBI/ATF wouldn't have had C-4 in the weapon storage)

also there are several pieces of laughable disinfo out there, by supposed "witnesses on the scene"
I have the most impressive witness to the scene...
she was the poor lady who was helped down off the top floor OUTSIDE THE BUILDING... you saw her in all the TV cameras... she is a good friends mother...

she said there was no warning....
she was sitting at her desk, doing work, and the next thing she knew, she was knocked back under a desk behind her, and when she got up, half the building was crushed and her entire office of coworkers was dead...

there was no "prequake" as a bunch of flakes on the net would have you believe... (which is the entire basis for people thinking there were charges set...

now how does that affect the rest of the story? Well, I will tell you this...
the third person implicated... the guy in arizona...
he knows more than is being told... An investigator friend studied him, and found lots of connections to the government that were never publicized...

I am still stuck on the FBI agent provocatuer scenario...
it fits
here is a startingly accurate story... amazingly from rense...(but is cited at several other reputable sources) about the judge that is releasing documents regarding an FBI informant that helped them get bomb making materials...
it is being ordered thru a civil lawsuit... and the FBI has refused to turn over evidence... they are in contempt...
what are they hiding in regards to this informant?
FBI informant and poor officer Terry Yeakey

funny thing about people....we're not all the same, with the exact same kind of awareness.

just because she didn't notice anything odd, didn't mean the others were liars , perhaps she was engrossed in her work , totally focused on the task at hand...oblivious to the outside world...until it came crashing down on her !

nope , sorry....one " witness" is not enuf to discount the others comments. I'd like to see an in depth analysis , of what the others experienced to see what type of device this could possibly be , to create such anomalies.



do people that never had an OBE negate the experience/reality of those who did ?

It's not surprising that people have not been informed about exactly how ammonium nitrate / fuel oil COULD have done this damage. There is technique involved. And you won't hear that technique from me. Nor anyone else with any sense of responsibility. I'm not even citing my experience in this field, which is very real. (legal and authorized, I should say!)

Suffice it to say there is a lot of "junk" science on the internet. Some good textbooks, instead, are recommended for this sort of thing.

Or military training. Which at this point I will neither encourage nor discourage.

[edit on 7/18/2005 by Noumenon]

Originally posted by Noumenon
It's not surprising that people have not been informed about exactly how ammonium nitrate / fuel oil COULD have done this damage. There is technique involved. And you won't hear that technique from me. Nor anyone else with any sense of responsibility. I'm not even citing my experience in this field, which is very real. (legal and authorized, I should say!)

Suffice it to say there is a lot of "junk" science on the internet. Some good textbooks, instead, are recommended for this sort of thing.

Or military training. Which at this point I will neither encourage nor discourage.

[edit on 7/18/2005 by Noumenon]

If you look into the situation, you will see that they could not have prepared this ANFO bomb to the extent it needed to be "prepared" to cause that damage...
the Military demo experts that they called in said the same thing...
and the civilian demo experts, and the construction company, and the blah blah blah...
they have lines of people who rival your experience with more info that say different, so I would think your decision was reached by lack of info...

so why are we still hearing that this ANFO bomb was it...?
IMO If improper storage of additional explosives was being done at the Gov building, then they would try to discourage this knowledge...
for obvious reasons...

Like you, I will not add anything as far as what "prepared" means

ever read these ?

chapters ; 1,2, 9, 10

www.constitution.org...

and this ;

www.riflewarrior.com...



just when you think you've heard it all before....ya get a twist , that makes ya go...hmmmmmmm...wtf is goin' on ?