British Soldier Stabbed Near Barracks In Kent

If the open door policy is to remain, it ought be accompanied with draconian sentencing followed by deportation for any violent infringement.

Any incomer not assimilating to and with our culture should, I think, be viewed with suspicion. Once they resort to violence, we really need full and frank media attention on the wages of hate. People who violently attack British nationals hate us. Why can we not openly discuss this without being blamed and labelled?

originally posted by: angelchemuel
Hmmmm.... not so sure. He will have been checked out by a Police doctor surely and if he was 'mentally incapable' surely the charge would be 'attempted murder due to diminished responsibility', no?
Rainbows
Jane

I think that would come later in the trial. As in the judge telling the jury they can find him guilty or not of 'attempted murder due to diminished responsibility'.
Which will see him doing hardly any or no time at all, if found not guilty due to being like that.

He has to be seen to go to trial even if they know of his maybe bad mental capacity. Capacity, to me anyway, would mean he has the capacity or the judgement, to know right from wrong. And if thats the case he should be found guilty and be given the highest possible sentence.

Whether 'mental state' is a different way of thought or being, i don't know exactly.

But he must go to trial, can you imagine the amount of people claiming they were in a bad mental state at the time of their offence?
The scales of justice and all that.

a reply to: andy06shake

Like I said mate, I think you've got to be at least slightly crazy to stab a random stranger in broad daylight.
That doesn't mean to say he shouldn't be charged with attempted murder and if found guilty sent to prison rather than some institution or hospital etc.

Me.....it really pains me to say this but I'm beginning to come round to the bullet-head solution.

I too would like to see the politicians responsible for this debacle held publicly accountable.
Its a complete and utter betrayal of the British people.

Now on a me taking the piss note, who gave Harvey a blade ffs.

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a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

Sometimes Police will also try and run wild with charges(not that i think they are in this instance).

So that when the criminal case reaches court the prosecutor and defense lawyer can come to an arrangement and reach a plea deal.

Meaning that some of the charges may be dropped or the likes of an attempted murder charge become a serious assault to severe injury and endangerment of life change if the perp chooses to plead guilty.

In this instance through there is no real doubt about the fact that he committed the crime.

a reply to: Freeborn

I'm not wanting to shoot them just yet Freeborn.

Given the slippery slope.

But to be honest also.

I dont think I'm that far away from the mark.

I would love to see the politicians and public officials responsible held to account.

Never happen all the same, not even in a month of Sundays.

As to a complete and utter betrayal of the British people, i would not know where to start there nether mate.

There are just so many betrayals to choose from in this day of age.

a reply to: andy06shake

AFAIK, once a person knows right from wrong, they will be charged with attempted murder.

Then he needs a really good team behind him to convince a judge/jury that he was mentally unfit or whatever terminology they use.

Trauma should not be a good enough reason to claim that, if thats the way he's gonna go with it.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2



Chances are the muppet will indeed turn out to be a few tins short of a six-pack SecretKnowledge2.

I just dont think that changes the fact much as to what he perpetrated.

As to knowing right from wrong.

Well if they can't cannot determine such, the fact of the matter is, that they should not be allowed to walk the streets unattended, the same as any toddler.

I mean it stands to fecking rhyme and reason.

Shame authorities and TPTB chose to disregard the big picture.

a reply to: andy06shake

I agree with everything you said there mate.

I think it will depend on how literal the judge sees the stabby #er's claim is.
Everyone can say "oh i wasn't right in the head then. Ive had a traumatic time your honour." He should be put on the next flight back to his homeland, spare all the expense of keeping the scumbag locked up.

And yes, its an absolute shame, bordering on criminal imo, that authorities and TPTB turn a blind eye to such crimes by certain ethnicities.

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge2

originally posted by: angelchemuel
Hmmmm.... not so sure. He will have been checked out by a Police doctor surely and if he was 'mentally incapable' surely the charge would be 'attempted murder due to diminished responsibility', no?
Rainbows
Jane

I think that would come later in the trial. As in the judge telling the jury they can find him guilty or not of 'attempted murder due to diminished responsibility'.

Jane's right. Police would have had to have him seen by psychiatrist to assess the attacker's mental capacity.

He'll have more checks throughout the process, just before court his capacity to even stand trial would have to be assessed.

a reply to: covent

The Defence will obtain their own report(s).

If the result is manslaughter by diminished responsibility he will be confined indefinitely in a mental institution.

Either way, he wont get off Scott free.

a reply to: covent

I imagine a lot of those checks will take place once he is remanded into custody.

But he needs to go before a judge before that can happen.

Are we doing bail for the likes of attempted murder with a weapon?

Im not even sure any longer would be my honest answer.

And given the state of the system and fact that the prisons are full to capacity and then some does not help matters.

a reply to: andy06shake

I'd be astonished if he gets bail!

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I certainly hope not.

a reply to: covent

Surely he has to go to court at some stage?

Even if he's assessed beforehand as mentally unwell, he still has to go to court?

I understand what Jane is saying, but he has to go to court. Anyone??

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

Yes,

He appeared today and was remanded into custody.

BBC News - Man in custody on attempted murder charge over soldier stabbing
www.bbc.com...

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

The general rule is that you may not be held without charge for a period exceeding 24 hours unless its a terrorist act or the like.

He's going before a judge thats guaranteed if he's been charged with attempted murder.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

At least that's something and he is off the streets.

Thank feck really.

a reply to: andy06shake

He's been charged with attempted murder and possession of an offensive weapon.

a reply to: Freeborn
I think it's fair to say that virtually everybody has suffered traumatic experiences in their lives but they don't go out killing people. There is too much emphasis given to the "mentally unstable" excuse.
The problem is a mixture what the politicians will not or do not want to address. One of them is they must recognise the countries where these migrants are coming from have a vast different every day culture, it is normal for them to walk out armed and if someone bumps into them or looks at them funnily they take this as an insult and strike out to maim or even kill. That is the life they know it aint mental to them.
Then you get the indoctrinated who come from countries where it's totally normal (not mental) to throw gay men off buildings, to cut hands off shoplifters, to stone to death women who have "offended" their husbands, need I go on. Are not these in the state of as mental illness. To us it is but to them it's just normal life and now we have these people taking our country over.

Thanks chaps for your various replies. I guess I'm pretty emotional about this attack and see it as the thin end of the wedge and heading in Freeborn's direction of 'bring back hanging' for clear cut cases like this.
I've had it with the "but we are better than them" attitude and platitudes compared with other countries..... we need to get our backbone back, if that is at all possible.
Rainbows
Jane