Trump, Revelation, and Fatima

So in some of my conversations in light of the Trump assassination attempt, one thing I heard was that July 13th is the 107th anniversary of the Fatima visions.

we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendor that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'.

www.ewtn.com...

I have seen it suggested that perhaps Trump is the Antichrist due to the verse in Revelation 13:3

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

www.biblegateway.com...

I wouldn't say Trump was mortally or fatally wounded in that he would heal in a miraculous way. He seemed cut or grazed, but I'm not sure the extent of the damage other than to say he probably couldn't fist pump the American Flag if he had had a mortal head wound. Sorry, that one is out for me.

So what about the secrets of Fatima? Well. Yeah the anniversary part is correct. But in my attempt to research I found quickly that I am outside my wheelhouse. I don't understand a lot of what I'm reading. I'm not a church-goer or a Catholic. And I'm not really understanding the apparition and what it means.

Anyone want to take a crack at this? Is there any meat here to digest? It's been said many times here that TPTB love their symbolism and their synchronous dates. Any interesting numerology going on?

I am intrigued, but sorry to say I don't really know how to interpret or research Bible or Catholicism.

a reply to: AlroyFarms

Thank God,,,,,,,,,,,,

a reply to: AlroyFarms

I want to say that even according to the latest declassified Vatican files, the main thing in the prophecies of Fatima was the triumph of Russia, from where the White Tsar will come, and then the Savior, and which will save the whole world.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Of course

I mean, you're not wrong. But I'm still amused I gave you the opportunity to point it out.

a reply to: AlroyFarms

We are on the same wavelength.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

God's like:
No no no...
I'm saving him for my end times plan.

The Beast is represented twice in scripture.

Once as a nation and a second time as the leader of said nation.

Also which version of Revelation 13:3 are we looking at?

ESV
One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast.

NIV
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.

NASB
I saw one of his heads as if it had been fatally wounded, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;

CSB
One of its heads appeared to be fatally wounded, but its fatal wound was healed. The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast.

NLT
I saw that one of the heads of the beast seemed wounded beyond recovery — but the fatal wound was healed! The whole world marveled at this miracle and gave allegiance to the beast.

KJV
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

NKJV
And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

Read the choice of words describing the headwound. As if. Seemed. Appeared. We ARE playing a 2000 year old game of telephone, here.

Watching a movie where a man is shot would produce the same language, why would a worldwide televised (perhaps staged) assassination attempt be any different?

Selling his version of The Holy Bible was already a red flag. No matter how you word it, he survived a gunshot wound to the head, which is normally fatal. Another red flag.

Thought experiment.
Wouldn't writing off someone NOT as the Anti-Christ be exactly what the Anti-Christ wants you to do?

The Bible says that he decieves the world, chances are, you're getting fooled too.

Trump may or may not serve Satan but he definitely serves Mammon. Gold star for those who know their demonology.

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God."

ELECTION 2024
The Devil You Know vs. The Devil You Know

a reply to: AlroyFarms

trump is ruled out as antichrist for me personally because the antichrist is supposed to be someone worshipped that nobody can say anything bad about. people have all kinds of bad things to say about trump constantly so i doubt it.

i have a friend who is really into numerology im sure he could come up with something for the date that involves either 3, 4, 6, 9 or 8 which are all somehow code numbers for the elite according to him like 8 is two fours and the number 44 means destruction or something its all to complicated for me.

a reply to: AlroyFarms


on Saturday the 13th as i tuned in NBC coverage,,,unaware of the assassination underway,,,

my mind raced

and the series of Marian Apparitions that were scheduled for the 13th of a future Month popped into my mind ,,,,
will Trump escape the next attempt (god forbid another date-of-destiny)

the OP awareness of the woo-woo '13' date is in need of deliberation if only here on ATS

originally posted by: AlroyFarms
I have seen it suggested that perhaps Trump is the Antichrist due to the verse in Revelation 13:3

Poppycock.

The Antichrist has to be young and well liked around the world and followed by nearly everyone. Trump has about half the country voting for him and the other half hating him. And a good deal of people overseas don't like him because he puts America first.

Absolutely not the antichrist.

a reply to: AlroyFarms

If anything, the assassination attempt of Trump just made it a Martyr, he is now Saint Trump the martyr, because it was divine intervention what save his life.

And you can take that to the bank.

One thing I will ask, what has Trump done that is soo horrible as to tag with the antichrist tittle.

Please write the list.

a reply to: AlroyFarms

First of all we don’t really know what was encountered in Fatima. Was it Mary or did it just claim to be? It always came on the 13th of the month, even Lucia, the oldest witness who outlived the others, died on the 13th of the month.

Also there was no mortal wound to Trump and the antichrist is said to rise after three days as a mockery to Christs rising three days later. Trump was fine immediately after since he was only grazed.

a reply to: TheLieWeLive

Also there was no mortal wound

If we expand our thinking just a wee bit it looks like the Dem. party may just be suffering from a mortal wound.
A goodly portion on ATS seem to view the entire worlds' liberal agenda as the beast spoken of in Revelations, prophecies, etc. The beast could be the body of an iedology, not just a single person.

I would say Joe Biden short circuiting brain is a more mortal head wound, which he miraculously healed days later.

This isn't going to be a popular opinion here, so I'll let scripture speak instead.

“I could hear his boastful speech…”
Daniel 7:8, Revelation 13:5

“…had a mouth like that of a lion.”
Revelation 13:2, Daniel. 7:4

“…and he was bent on conquering.”
Revelation 6:2

“… a despicable person will arise… a man of contempt… to whom the royal honor has not been rightfully conferred. He will slip in when least expected and will seize the kingdom through flattery and intrigue.”
Daniel 11:21

“He had a mouth that spoke great things, and that seemed greater than its companions…”
Daniel 7:20

“After an alliance is made with him he will practice deception, and he will go up and gain power with a small force of people.”
Daniel 11:23

“He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior… He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them.”
Daniel 8:25, 2 Thess 2:10

“He will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will sell them land at a price.”
Daniel 11:39b

“He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. 38 Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his ancestors he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.”
Daniel 11:37-38

a reply to: nugget1

Very true! It’s all about perspective isn’t it?

a reply to: StudioNada


Trump as AC...only IF he instigates a Arab/Israel 7 year Peace first (the treaty will only last 3 1/2 years)
afterwhich there is tribulations, wars... and the 'spirit-of-Satan' taking-over/possessing the mortal body of a man that becomes AC & causes Great Tribulation/wonders/majick thats awes even the Elect

didn't Trump deem Jerusalem the capitol city when he was POTUS 5 plus years ago? DJT is already charmed/famous/controversial and now said to be 'blessed' and protected

perhaps envied by dark powers? ... Trump might make a good potential candidate to fill the role AC











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a reply to: theshadowknows

explain how these pieces of scripture correllate only to trump being the antichrist and it isnt something that is very vague and can apply to many many people both living and dead.

its like those nostradamus predictions people were saying after 9/11 or about the millenium. who knows what he was talking about its too vague but because a few pieces sort of fit its gotta be true right?

im not dogging your theory i just think more explanation is needed when this is all vague stuff that can be made to sound like basically anyone who has ever had any power at all in the history of the world. except the fatal head wound part but absolutely no one views being grazed by a bullet as a fatal appearing wound so to me that entire thing is thrown out.

who does trump want to conquer is it just inaccurate that no new wars were undertaken during his tenure in office? or are you of the belief also that trump wishes to be come the global totalitarian dictator that certain parts of msm paint him as wanting to be without any facts or evidence at all.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Hello Russian friend, I made some replies about this here under a different username: old.reddit.com...

Our mutual friend WanderingMrM told me,

"If Putin does go into Europe and loses at Berlin, then the Tsar will show up after Russia is carved up and is in need of a saviour.
If Putin only goes to Poland and the surrounding regions, then the Tsar will come to a new Russia in need of guidance.
However there are also timelines where in one the Tsar begins a revolution by going against Putin and current Russian leadership."

I would like to know which social media platform he's most likely to use to introduce himself to the world. I heard Telegram was the most used in Russia.

A female clairvoyant friend told me,

"Russia being led by a descendant of Nicholas maybe.. because the Russian President most likely won’t be around... It implies a planned betrayal by someone near him."

"But the weather within the environment surrounding the Tsar of Russia... is almost of poison and betrayal."

"As for the German emperor, most likely just an European one within that area of Europe. It could be Germany but it could also instead be from small European countries aswell."
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a reply to: AlroyFarms

Trump is not the Antichrist. He once met Russian general Alexander Lebed and felt intimidated by him: “First of all, you wouldn’t want to play nuclear weapons with this #er. Does he look as tough and cold as you’ve ever seen? This is not like your average real-estate guy who’s rough and mean. This guy’s beyond that. You see it in the eyes. This guy is a killer.”

The Antichrist will also be a military commander, an European Emperor. “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?” That's because he harnesses lightning-throwing weapons (seen by three contemporary German clairvoyants), which contribute to scorching half of the earth, eclipsing Russia's space weapons.

A possible description of his physical appearance from two contemporary clairvoyants:

"The emperor is about 180-190cm high, I think, skin color was white but as if he was out in the sun a lot, like a farmer maybe. He has many distinct birthmarks across his skin."

"He is near his late 30s to 40s. Pale skin, dark short hair. Dark eyes. Maybe East German or mixed race Italian or Austrian."

WanderingMrM warned about two emperors of Germany: www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Shoshanna
a reply to: theshadowknows
or are you of the belief also that trump wishes to be come the global totalitarian dictator that certain parts of msm paint him as wanting to be without any facts or evidence at all.

I mean, he does seem to have a lot of praise for dictators. I suppose that remains to be seen. I certainly hope not.

"We shouldn't have destabilized Saddam Hussein, right?" Trump asked his supporters on Tuesday. "He was a bad guy, really bad guy, but you know what he did well? He killed terrorists. He did that so good."

"He's running his country and at least he's a leader, you know, unlike what we have in this country," Trump said. "I think our country does plenty of killing, also." - Trump describing Vladimir Putin

"If you look at North Korea, this guy, I mean he's like a maniac, okay?" Trump said. "And you've got to give him credit. "How many young guys — he was like 26 or 25 when his father died — take over these tough generals, and all of a sudden ... he goes in, he takes over, and he’s the boss," Trump said. "It's incredible. He wiped out the uncle, he wiped out this one, that one. I mean this guy doesn't play games. And we can't play games with him." - on the consolidation of power by Kim Jong-Un in the DPRK.

"I was not endorsing it," Trump said. "I said that is a strong, powerful government that put it down with strength. And then they kept down the riot. It was a horrible thing. It doesn't mean at all I was endorsing it." - on the Tiananmen Square Massacre

He even quoted Mussolini on twitter posting:

It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep.

and defended it saying:

"It's okay to know it's Mussolini," Trump said. "Mussolini was Mussolini... It's a very good quote. It's a very interesting quote... what difference does it make whether it's Mussolini or somebody else?"

To answer his question, no normally it wouldn't make a difference had it not been for the other comments praising dictators throughout history. He's not hidden anything. Project 2025 is coming, and with it likely the Mark. I have no anger towards anyone with a differing opinion. I genuinely hope I'm wrong, but I'm tired and weary. If this is the end, so be it. I'm ready to go.

a reply to: theshadowknows

Reminds me of a quote from Alexander Lebed: "I do not praise Pinochet in principle. But what did he accomplish? He averted the total collapse of the state and brought the Army to the fore."

I think the best characterization of Putin is of an egoistic, ruthless, cunning businessman.
But Putin isn't really a dictator, more like an illegitimate tsar, but Putin publicly declined to be called a tsar when Zhirinovsky (a fool-turned-seer) proposed it.

WanderingMrM tells me, "the Tsar is Putin's only hope. Otherwise the next guys will see him stripped of everything and hung out to dry."

"It is possible that Russia may receive 4-7 rulers who will usher in Nazism-like Communist system that would be bloody. As I said there are several possibilites still existing, it all depends on what happens to Ukraine before and straight after the new Russian election. But these rulers won't last for long, each one would rule no more than 1 year, if this is the timeline that happens."

"So if the Tsar does not pop up in Russia expect 6-7 brutal leaders, more brutal than Putin to emerge and take an axe to Europe. This is why the Rhine will be flooded with blood."
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I think the Dao De Jing describes the kind of man Putin and his successors represent:

"(Those who) possessed the highest (sense of) propriety were (always seeking) to show it, and when men did not respond to it, they bared the arm and marched up to them."

old.reddit.com... "But Napoleon Bonaparte was interested in the book because of its description of Russia. The author described Russia as patiently grinding its ax, and she said that when the ax was sharp enough, it would cut down all of Europe."

Bulgarian seer Vlaicho Zhelev predicted, "The world will not be pacified. Russia will take more interest, but she will wait patiently to give her red paint to all nations and play the role of a forerunner in the cause of labor throughout the world. Germany will succeed, America will barely hold its own."