Wikileaks and UFOs

Julian Assange is in the news again. Makes you wonder. If there really was any truth in the belief that USG knows more about UFOs than they''re telling us, the obvious place to look for evidence would be Wikileaks' data dumps.

There was a bit of excitement back in 2010 when Assange told reporters that there were 'some references to UFOs' in the Cablegate data dump. But the way he put it didn't suggest any earth-shattering revelations...

Asked if he has ever been forwarded documents dealing with UFOs or extraterrestrials, Assange responded, "Many weirdos e-mail us about UFOs or how they discovered that they were the anti-Christ whilst talking with their ex-wife at a garden party over a pot plant. However, as yet they have not satisfied two of our publishing rules: 1) that the documents not be self-authored; 2) that they be original. However, it is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the Cablegate archive, there are indeed references to UFOs." NBC, Dec 30, 2010

Sounds like he doesn't think much of UFO believers. Now why would that be, huh?

Anyway, seems like he was talking about the cables below.

(1) A request from a US diplomat to the State Department on behalf of the King of Morocco, asking for any available information on UFOs 25 Sep 1976
(2)A reply to (1) from the US Bureau of Oceans & International Environmental & Scientific Affairs, pouring cold water on the request 5 Oct 1976
(3)Mysterious things going on in Kuwaiti airspace 29 Jan 1979

A few months later Assange squashed all further speculation for good:

I have said in passing there is information about UFOs in Cablegate. And that is true, but these are only small passing references. Most of the material concerns UFO cults, and their behavior in recruiting people. For instance, there is quite a large cable, which we’ll try and release in the next few days, concerning the Raelians, a UFO cult which has a strong presence in Canada and was of concern to the U.S. ambassador in Canada... the Raelians claimed to have cloned an individual, and fantastically, the press all around the world ate this up and turned it into front page stories. Forbes, 2 Jul 2011

There's a bit more UFO talk on Wikileaks, but nothing significant. In 2015 they published transcripts of emails sent by Tom DeLonge of Blink-182, a well-known UFO believer, to John Podesta, Hillary Clinton's then campaign manager, also a believer. You can read about that here (yeah, ATS's favourite newspaper), but again it's just a big letdown.

In 2019, Edward Snowden talked about how he went UFO-hunting in the US government archives.

For the record, as far as I could tell, aliens have never contacted Earth, or at least they haven't contacted US intelligence.       "I had ridiculous access to the networks of the NSA, the CIA, the military, all these groups. I couldn’t find anything. So if it’s hidden, and it could be hidden, it’s hidden really damn well, even from people who are on the inside.

He added,

Everybody wants to believe in conspiracy theories because it helps life make sense. It helps us believe that somebody is in control, that somebody is calling the shots.

Well, that pretty much sums it up... no wait, there's one more document unearthed by Wikileaks. Maybe the most authoritative of all.

Here you go. Enjoy.

The Truth Behind UFO Sightings and the U.S. Air Force

Disclosure? Nothing to see here, officer.

a reply to: Kallipygywiggy

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I have long opined that we're looking in all the wrong places. We're looking in the wrong places for UFO's, and we're looking in the wrong places for documentation of the same. To emphasize the silliness, running a search for "UFO's" is probably not going to cut it.

Let's step back for a moment and think rationally about how such a discovery might be documented.

First of all, no sane scientist is going to react to someone coming to them with "UFO proof". In reality, what will more than likely happen would be some unexplained phenomenon would be brought to their attention. Scientists would then set about using known scientific theory to categorize these phenomenon and study them further. Depending on the complexity it could take decades, or even centuries, to conclude that the phenomenon discovered have extra-terrestrial origins. This would almost certainly be the case for the vast majority of true UFO phenomenon. Short of E.T. coming down in a flying saucer and landing smack dab in the middle of Central Park (which E.T. would be pretty foolish to do, particularly if he/she had the technology to get here to begin with), there will probably never be a reference to a "UFO" in any official record.

It is my belief that the relatively recent adoption of terminology such as "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon" is a far more appropriate way to classify unexplained occurrences. I personally believe that up until very recently we (mankind) hasn't really had complex enough detection equipment to fully observe a 'UFO' conclusively one way or the other. The recent US Navy fighter footage is, in my mind, some of the most encouraging evidence to date. Even so, there are still potential Earthly explanations for these events (very few, but there are some).

There are some who say a phenomenon "changing directions" seemingly immediately is proof of a UFO. This isn't necessarily true. In order to understand why, one must visualize their environment in a 3-dimensional way. What appears to be a rapid change in direction from one perspective may appear to be a very gradual change in direction from a different perspective or axis. It all depends on your vantage point. So, in the recent Navy footage, the anomalies observed could be a hypersonic vehicle moving through the area. Hypersonic vehicles are known to push a plasma wave in front of them and they have a large infrared signature as well (both of which were observed in the Navy footage). But a modern fighter jet moves very slowly in comparison to a hypersonic object (so slow that it might as well be stationary by comparison). An object which was moving vertically and then transitioned to horizontal (in any axis) would 'appear' to change directions almost instantly when in fact it didn't at all. And this same process can be described for numerous changes in axis and direction. We already know the Russians, Chinese and others are well along in hypersonic vehicle research, and what a better way to test a new system on an opponent than to send it through a known operational area and see if it can be detected, right? ... But equally, it could have been E.T.

Bottom line - we just don't know (right now). In the future we might discover something. But in the meantime, searching the archives for "UFO's" probably isn't going to yield much if anything.

That's my .02 on the matter.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I can't image how the other day you presented us with a lot of words about a suspected incident you experienced with zero evidence worth ahoot, and now tell us, basically, you cannot accept at face value the positive evidence that we are being visited by ETs.

TBF if the "special access programs" which many claim are hidden away in fake/front companies-are real and doing their job-then people looking for UFO info in "legit" government agencies and intel groups should find absolutely nothing UFO related.

These systems are literaly set up for the purpose of not being found,not having papertrails,not being noticed by those who may be searching.

So people like Snowdon or Assange should not be finding out about UFOs from looking at official sources.
But that does not mean there is no such information.

originally posted by: Kallipygywiggy
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Try copying and pasting the link text into your search box. ATS doesn't render it properly for some reason.

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Article in its entirety…..

The Truth Behind UFO Sightings and the U.S. Air Force 'Mirage Men' author Mark Pilkington discusses how the military used UFO stories to keep aircraft projects secret By Alex Kingsbury

Are UFOs a mirage, conjured up by the Air Force to obscure classified flight projects?

In part, argues Mark Pilkington, a British journalist and filmmaker who writes about society's oddities. In Mirage Men: An Adventure into Paranoia, Espionage, Psychological Warfare, and UFOs, he makes a persuasive case that much UFO-logy canon was started or encouraged by the government trying to conceal Cold War military projects. He recently chatted with U.S. News about the origins and effects of UFO mythology around the world. Excerpts: Click here to find out more!

How has the UFO story been shaped by the government?

These ideas do generate themselves to some extent, but there is evidence that they were specifically shaped in some instances. I don't think this is some long-running grand conspiracy, I just think that the UFO story has been deployed and used at times when it was convenient. Just about everything that is popularly believed about UFOs has been exploited, shaped, and, at times, generated by people working for the U.S. Air Force and the intelligence community. The idea that UFOs crashed on U.S. soil, that the U.S. government was harboring and hiding UFO technology, that it was denying its citizens the right to know that aliens have come here and visited all these things have been deliberately seeded into the culture.

Why would the government "seed" these ideas?

UFO stories are used as a cover story for the flight-testing of experimental and clandestine aircraft. If you look at the places where UFO sightings are frequent, they are also the places where the military tests its experimental aircraft. For the first few years that UFOs circulated in popular culture after World War II, the public didn't talk about UFOs as being alien. Rather, they were talked about as advanced U.S. or Russian aircraft.

How long has this been going on?

Much of it dates to the first flights of the U2 spy plane back in the 1950s. The CIA's in-house journal had a story about 10 years ago that said that one of the functions of Project Blue Book [the official Air Force investigation into UFOs] was to monitor how visible the U2 was to people on the ground. Someone would see what they thought was a UFO and then the Air Force would send someone around to talk with them. Of course, the Air Force would have a schedule of the U2 flights and be able to tell if what the person saw was indeed a U2. By talking to all these supposed UFO witnesses, the CIA could assess how visible the U2 was.

Were the Soviets a target for this?

There are other, more subtle motivations from the U.S. side. One is the idea of a super weapon. If unfriendly nations believe that you harbor alien technology that you have integrated into your own weapons systems and aircraft, then they have good reason to be afraid.

What happened in 1952 over Washington, D.C.?

The first incident took place early one morning in July. It was reported extensively in the newspapers that a number of unknown objects appeared on radar screens around Washington. Now, it looks very plausible to me that the Washington incident was a demonstration of a technology from the Defense Department, known as Project Palladium, which allowed the operator to project radar blips onto other radar screens. Later on, the technology became very sophisticated to the point where you could change the shape of the blip and its speed and so forth. We go on in the book at length about the evidence that suggests that the Washington radar incident was a planned operation.

Do UFO fanatics know it may be they're duped?

Certainly. I'm not the first person to tell them this. UFO lore has transcended to what has become a religious matter for many of those involved. We talk to a man called Bill Moore, who in the 1980s was one of the most respected people in the UFO community. He was co-opted by Air Force intelligence to act as a mole passing information to the Air Force about what people were researching and to pass disinformation back into the UFO community. When he came clean about all this at a UFO convention in 1989, people ran out crying into the hallways.

But what happened to the larger UFO lore?

Nothing.

Is this a worldwide phenomenon?

The UFO story is a global one, but I think it has its origins in American culture. Not long ago there was a major UFO wave in Iran. Not surprisingly, all the UFO incidents happened near the country's known nuclear sites. Initially it was odd lights in the sky, then over a few days, the stories started getting more dramatic. They were describing small robots hovering in the skies. I read an interesting article recently that described the impact of the drone use over Pakistan and Afghanistan. The villagers describe the drones as being spiritual beings with a life of their own that live in bedrooms in space and come to feed on women and children. It is fascinating to watch, because I feel like I've seen it all before. It will be different for every nation, as they develop. Perhaps every nation will get the aliens it deserves. --

Sean Noonan Tactical Analyst

a reply to: CosmicFocus

Your reading comprehension must not be that good because that's not what I am saying here at all. In fact, quite the contrary. I am a firm believer that we have already been visited by extra-terrestrials. In fact, the odds are stacked heavily against NOT having been visited. Further, I believe we could be living amongst ET's every day...we just don't know it.

If you look at the opening sentences in my reply above, you will see I said we are looking in all the wrong places. And, I said that any documented proof would very likely not resemble what we would expect. None of these things suggest that I cannot accept anything of the sort. What I do suggest is "we" are not mature enough yet to comprehend "E.T." if he was standing right in front of us. And, when I say 'mature', I mean from a technology perspective and/or a human comprehension standpoint.

The 'positive evidence' you state isn't conclusive at all in my mind. This is not the same thing as saying "E.T." doesn't exist, or hasn't been here.

In any case, thanks for the reminder to not post things which may be of interest to some as they are not "worth a hoot".

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: Kallipygywiggy
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Here, let's try a shortened url...

Wikileaks page

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These ideas do generate themselves to some extent, but there is evidence that they were specifically shaped in some instances. I don't think this is some long-running grand conspiracy, I just think that the UFO story has been deployed and used at times when it was convenient. Just about everything that is popularly believed about UFOs has been exploited, shaped, and, at times, generated by people working for the U.S. Air Force and the intelligence community. The idea that UFOs crashed on U.S. soil, that the U.S. government was harboring and hiding UFO technology, that it was denying its citizens the right to know that aliens have come here and visited all these things have been deliberately seeded into the culture.

Obviously he is over-simplifying, and I don't disagree with him on the generalities, but I do think the USAF is much more often the target than it is an active participant in what Pilkington is proposing.

On the otherhand, the US Navy hardly ever gets a mention and yet when you go deep into the early days, they're just as knee deep as the nascent CIA. As is, of course, the US Army.

originally posted by: BrucellaOrchitis
Obviously he is over-simplifying, and I don't disagree with him on the generalities, but I do think the USAF is much more often the target than it is an active participant in what Pilkington is proposing.

The video "The aviary" goes into more depth about Bill Moore and other topics in that memo, and the video even shows Bill Moore's speech where he admitted he was an unwitting pawn in the UFO counter-intelligence operation to spread disinformation and rile up UFO enthusiasts. I include a partial transcript of Moore's admission

The Aviary: Disturbing Truth of UFO's
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"This is the story of an ongoing counterintelligence operation, an operation to systematically infiltrate, coopt and profit from counterculture. This is the disturbing story of The Aviary."


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6:10 Bill Moore: "To the best of my knowledge, it was all disinformation, and I was the one who was unwittingly spreading fuel to add to the fire.
I've held my silence on this matter for more than 6 years. Now you know the truth.
Disinformation...disinformation is a strange and bizarre game. Those who play it are completely aware that an operation's success is dependent upon dropping information upon a target, or mark, in such a way that the person will accept it as truth, and will repeat and even defend it to others as if it were true.
Once this has been accomplished (heckling from audience),
we certainly have a number of rude people in this audience, that's too bad.
Once this has been accomplished, the work of the counter-intelligence specialist is complete. They can simply withdraw in the confidence that the dirty work of spreading their poison seeds will be done by others. Those who want proof of how well the process works need only look around you.

Everytime one of you, repeats a bit of unverified or unsubstantiated information without qualifying it as such, you are contributing to that process, and everytime you do it, somebody in a need-to-know position sits back and has a horse laugh at your expense."
(cut)
(more heckling from audience, Bill Moore is silent at the podium, doesn't try to speak over the hecklers)
That was the end of Bill Moore's career.

On the otherhand, the US Navy hardly ever gets a mention and yet when you go deep into the early days, they're just as knee deep as the nascent CIA. As is, of course, the US Army.

If you said that about the Navy in 2015 I could understand, but what happened after that put the Navy in the spotlight with reports of not only Fravor's account from 2004 on the Nimitz (the "FLIR" video released by the pentagon), but also accounts from Ryan Graves over a decade later, along with two other videos released by the pentagon "Gofast" and "Gimbal" that were taken by navy pilots. This effort by "former" counterintelligence agent Luis Elizondo both as part of TTSA and independently contributed to shining the spotlight on UFO reports by the Navy, but the Air Force was strangely silent. In fact there were FOIA requests made to try to understand the discrepancy because both Air Force and Navy Pilots were conducting exercises on the East Coast, and it was puzzling why only the Navy Pilots were reporting all these UFOs and the Air Force wasn't.

You get better insights by reading internal e-mails of the Navy and Air Force than you do by listening to the media circus in mainstream media that is highly distorted. This article reveals what some of those emails showed, it was really strange to see such a disparity between the Navy and the Air Force in nearly the same air space on the East Coast of the US.

Internal Air Force/Navy E-Mails on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Revealed

recently obtained e-mails from the Navy and the Air Force reveal that ranking members of both branches express different views on what they refer to as a “phenomena,” along with showing disagreement with how the overall story is being reported by the mainstream media.

The series of documents were provided to The Black Vault through two different Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests to the Navy and to the Air Force. Records were released for both requests in June and October respectively...

“They mentioned the Air Force by saying ‘For safety and security concerns, the Navy and the USAF take these reports very seriously and investigate each and every report.’ (Which is true.),” said Mcandrews. “What the Navy was trying to talk about was unmanned aerial systems… that got turned into UFOs and aliens.”

The e-mail by Mcandrews reflects that of what appears to be the Navy’s original statement by Stratton, which got truncated and altered before submission to Politico. It appears that the Air Force focus on this threat surrounds unmanned aerial systems, and not “[unidentified flying objects]” as asserted by Politico.

When asked if the Air Force had any “UFO Guideline”-like protocols; the Air Force has not commented publicly as of the writing of this article, and the Pentagon did not respond for comment after multiple attempts. However, the e-mails offer insight into that very question.

So a lot of the internal effort was aimed at UAS or "Unmanned Aerial Systems", but when the information was published in mainstream sources like Politico, it somehow got twisted into "UFOs and aliens", which may be what the intelligence community wanted to happen for all I know, in fact you could infer that from what is discussed in that video on "The Aviary" above.

Here’s some helpful FYI for those who are unaware about defining Drones, UAV, and UAS

What’s the Difference Between Drones, UAV, and UAS? Definitions and Terms

One more….

Drone, UAV, UAS, RPA or RPAS

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originally posted by: Arbitrageur
The Aviary: Disturbing Truth of UFO's
www.youtube.com...
"This is the story of an ongoing counterintelligence operation, an operation to systematically infiltrate, coopt and profit from counterculture. This is the disturbing story of The Aviary."

Already up to speed on that one Arbi...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

...but I appreciate the effort.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
If you said that about the Navy in 2015 I could understand...

I wasn't really referring to the current situation, I was thinking about it historically and how these tactics entered the play-book. What I was responding to was this:

Just about everything that is popularly believed about UFOs has been exploited, shaped, and, at times, generated by people working for the U.S. Air Force and the intelligence community. The idea that UFOs crashed on U.S. soil, that the U.S. government was harboring and hiding UFO technology, that it was denying its citizens the right to know that aliens have come here and visited all these things have been deliberately seeded into the culture.

I wouldn't be quite as conspiratorial about it as Pilkington is there and "deliberately" is open to interpretation, but my point was that all that that is, behaviour wise, didn't start with the Aviary. Concepts such as UFOs, martians, life on other worlds and our encountering each other - all existed long before the Aviary planted them in anyone's imagination.

Pilkington though perhaps specifically means the idea of crashed UFOs and the US government hiding UFO technology. I was thinking of it in a broader sense, using "deliberate seeding" to obfuscate activities you don't want the general public to know about, or even within specific groups, to redirect focus.

I would consider these two men as leakers in an overt sort of way…..

Here’s two previous vid clips of John Radcliffe and James Clapper…(who states not having enough transparency was his crime).





Now we need Dead or Alive Biologics 😉

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

Now we need Dead or Alive Biologics 😉

One of the main difficulties I have with witnesses who are/were military pilots, particularly US military pilots, over civilian pilots, is their use of narcotics.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

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en.wikipedia.org...

Civilian aircraft pilots may experience distortions of perception due to fatigue, and there are safety protocols in place to prevent that from happening now. Miltary pilots are trained for endurance, so routinely go beyond those fatigue points, and utilise drugs to support going even further as required. However, in certain circumstances, you're always going to run the risk of there being circumstances which do cause them to "see" things that are not there. And I would be wondering, in those "couple of years", what were the flight hours involved and what substances were they knowingly or unknowingly taking to push performance limits.

a reply to: BrucellaOrchitis

You bring up a good point…..Drugs for pilots ….could, I suppose cause a pilot to see things….if abused…or as a side effect.

Here’s a study done bout military pilots and drugs…

FATIGUE AND USE OF GO/NOGO PILLS IN F-16 PILOTS SUBJECTED TO EXTRAORDINARILY LONG COMBAT SORTIES

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