Looks Like France Have Elected far-left La France Insoumise Party - National Rally 3rd

a reply to: watchitburn

Probably not.

But that wasn’t my point.

I just find it odd that people dislike how the system works when it’s not in their favor.

Right wing administrations have won in similar circumstances, forming a coalition.

No one party for a majority.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: nugget1

do citizens think there is mass cheating going on.

No. They just don't like fascist's.

As Goretex stated "Cobbled together". That was done by the real fascists. Right leaning means less gov leaning.

No it doesn't. Far-right 'really fascist' governments have been tyrannical dictatorships.

Right-wing dictatorship - Wikipedia

Le Pen is a less gov type and not Fascists who are after control of all Businesses that compete with their goals. A slightly different model but Communist none the less when the ink is dry. They keep saying Fascism is businesses controlling gov and granted the people controlling gov are using funding made in the banking/finance/business world that is designed to control the competition. In so doing they control the companies that sell us food and are likely abusing us now.

Corporatism under right-wing governments of the past has not been constrained. In fact, corporates usually promoted how nationalistic they are as part of their advertising.

Oh, ffs..lmao

I see lot's of propaganda and I'm not talking about the pics you posted

a reply to: MykeNukem

I think we see a lot of political factions use semantics and blaming to explain why they lost.

Look in the thread, people are declaring 100% fraud without any evidence.

By all accounts, while surprising, this is hardly unique for a parliamentary election. There have been quite a few contested elections that end in a surprising coalition.

Ha, You can take that and 25 cents and that quarter will be all you have.

I only deal in truth. I am a student of history for about 60 years now. I grew up reading and understanding that the leftist use change of terms to get the narrative changed. You are a tool if you don't see it.

You need to read "rules for radicals" and "1984" if you want a chance to catch up to the level of knowledge required to even get in the discussion of what a leftist is or isn't.

originally posted by: rigel4

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: chr0naut

You're gas lighting me. I know history and I know how your guys change definitions to match the narrative not the facts.

You are either gaslighting us , or you haven't educated yourself with history yet.

Take some time to read-up on the Far Right ideology , and examples in the past of Far Right governments... hint

Germany pre world war 2 is a good example..

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: MykeNukem

I think we see a lot of political factions use semantics and blaming to explain why they lost.

Look in the thread, people are declaring 100% fraud without any evidence.

By all accounts, while surprising, this is hardly unique for a parliamentary election. There have been quite a few contested elections that end in a surprising coalition.

I hear ya.

Would you say the 2020 election had no evidence of fraud, or, where do you stand on that?

In this case, the OP, it was a coalition formed, not fraud, that's clear IMO

a reply to: MykeNukem

There’s fraud in every election, I think that’s a given.

The question isn’t whether or not there’s fraud, the question is did it change the course of the election, and was it systemic.

To answer your question about 2020, I don’t think there was enough evidence to say there was. That is pretty interesting considering the accusers were running the country on the way out. I saw a lot of claims that the smoking guns were going to be released, but somehow the time always expired on the drops.

Could it have happened? I won’t say no. But it’s a hard question considering it was a very unique election. One of the most divisive candidates ever, with the biggest organic and loyal base of supporters, while also being absolutely despised by a large part of the country as well. On the flip side was a completely uninspiring career politician.

I think where a lot of people around the world, not just here, lose sight on how to win is they lack self awareness or the ability to see the world through another lens other than their dogma.

If Biden stays in, I think we’ll see the media pivot to rally the base. Which is pathetic given they’re already 180. And barring a black swan, they’ll probably lose fantastically.

What I believe we’re seeing is a polarized world, and everyone in it is willing to blame anything but their own people’s tactics. And that’s what sets the stage for a race to the bottom. People don’t run on platforms anymore, they run on trying to make people more scared of their opponents than they are of them.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: MykeNukem

There’s fraud in every election, I think that’s a given.

The question isn’t whether or not there’s fraud, the question is did it change the course of the election, and was it systemic.

To answer your question about 2020, I don’t think there was enough evidence to say there was. That is pretty interesting considering the accusers were running the country on the way out. I saw a lot of claims that the smoking guns were going to be released, but somehow the time always expired on the drops.

Could it have happened? I won’t say no. But it’s a hard question considering it was a very unique election. One of the most divisive candidates ever, with the biggest organic and loyal base of supporters, while also being absolutely despised by a large part of the country as well. On the flip side was a completely uninspiring career politician.

I think where a lot of people around the world, not just here, lose sight on how to win is they lack self awareness or the ability to see the world through another lens other than their dogma.

If Biden stays in, I think we’ll see the media pivot to rally the base. Which is pathetic given they’re already 180. And barring a black swan, they’ll probably lose fantastically.

What I believe we’re seeing is a polarized world, and everyone in it is willing to blame anything but their own people’s tactics. And that’s what sets the stage for a race to the bottom. People don’t run on platforms anymore, they run on trying to make people more scared of their opponents than they are of them.

Well reasoned response.

It's a polarized world for a reason though.

Mature, well-reasoned adults can discern truth from lies. That's really what it's about.

What do you do when it's all lies?

Here we are..

a reply to: MykeNukem

What do you do when it's all lies?

If we truly believe in self governance and democratic style of governments, there’s only one option. Convince people better than the people you disagree with.

It’s a marketplace of ideas. All political parties have been incompetent, evident by the fact the west has been going down hill for many decades while under the rule of “both sides”.

So to me, if they’re both wrong, who’s more wrong while interesting doesn’t really answer the question of how to get out of the mess they made.

I think we’ll see a lot of oddities in politics along with hearty pendulum swinging.

The way I see it, both sides see their opponents as the biggest enemy to them, foreign and domestic. Nothing good is going to happen until that changes. Plenty of people are wrong with the right intentions, doesn’t make them an enemy.

Complete chaos in France tonight as the far-left riots following their election victory. They are shooting fireworks at police and throwing glass bottles. Will this be on the news?

Twitter video link

Leftist win.

Leftist destroy country.

You’re telling me people really voted for this?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: MykeNukem

What do you do when it's all lies?

If we truly believe in self governance and democratic style of governments, there’s only one option. Convince people better than the people you disagree with.

It’s a marketplace of ideas. All political parties have been incompetent, evident by the fact the west has been going down hill for many decades while under the rule of “both sides”.

So to me, if they’re both wrong, who’s more wrong while interesting doesn’t really answer the question of how to get out of the mess they made.

I think we’ll see a lot of oddities in politics along with hearty pendulum swinging.

The way I see it, both sides see their opponents as the biggest enemy to them, foreign and domestic. Nothing good is going to happen until that changes. Plenty of people are wrong with the right intentions, doesn’t make them an enemy.

What ever happened to accountability and personal responsibility? I don't give individuals a pass.

We used to have a sense of civic duty and a common goal, something has changed, and I think it's that change that has people on one side or the other.

Objective has been replaced with subjective and our values and traditions are considered hallmarks of an era that should be forgotten, or better yet, replaced.

This is like when Covid hit, everybody forgot about all the data we had about the common cold, we've already done this a thousand times, just look to history.

Our only light at this point is a gas light..

a reply to: gortex

As crooked as a two pound note.

Le Pen was so far ahead, this is outrageous.

There will be demonstrating on the streets, the French are big time demonstrators.
They'll wreck the gaff.

Are they to believe people voted for more of the same? a la all the raping and murders of innocent women? Hidden groups of terrorists? Food prices? All the illegal immigrants in the country.

Theres no way, i can barely believe this vote, its disgraceful.

The Olympic games are starting very soon, i'd almost bet that there'll be an explosive event literally.
That will kick off Le Pen's supporters on the streets.

Long hot summer ahead in Paris coming right up.

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: chr0naut

You're gaslighting me. I know history and I know how your guys change definitions to match the narrative not the facts.

We are all changing definitions of things just to pick on you.

It's a giant world wide conspiracy.

I bet if you look at all the history book, they will all have been rewritten.

originally posted by: Justoneman
Ha, You can take that and 25 cents and that quarter will be all you have.

I only deal in truth. I am a student of history for about 60 years now. I grew up reading and understanding that the leftist use change of terms to get the narrative changed. You are a tool if you don't see it.

You need to read "rules for radicals" and "1984" if you want a chance to catch up to the level of knowledge required to even get in the discussion of what a leftist is or isn't.

originally posted by: rigel4

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: chr0naut

You're gas lighting me. I know history and I know how your guys change definitions to match the narrative not the facts.

You are either gaslighting us , or you haven't educated yourself with history yet.

Take some time to read-up on the Far Right ideology , and examples in the past of Far Right governments... hint

Germany pre world war 2 is a good example..

Eric Arthur Blair, who wrote "1984" under the pen name George Orwell was a staunch socialist 'leftist' and a member of the British Independent Labour Party, who strongly opposed totalitarianism, and saw socialism as an ideology opposed to totalitarianism.

The dystopian totalitarian government in the novel "1984" combined aspects the Nazi (right-wing) and Stalinist (left-wing) governments.

George Orwell

Also, as a hint, "radicals" and "rebels" usually oppose government, regardless of if it is a left-wing or right-wing government.

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: gortex

I don't follow politics much on your side of the pond; do citizens think there is mass cheating going on as many in the US do?

Depends on which side of the argument your on I guess but as a neutral a cobbled together alliance of Left wing parties to beat another party is a bit dubious , it's also going to cause them problems as there are so many different factions in the alliance it's unlikely to be stable.

I think you're spot on. Looks like 3 big groups in their parliament now. I bet Macron's group will try to woo the left coalition to keep Le Pen at bay.

Cheers

Leftist don't even say, "let them eat cake", they say, "we will eat the cake and you will make it for us."

originally posted by: berbofthegreen
Leftist don't even say, "let them eat cake", they say, "we will eat the cake and you will make it for us."

France freaked out so much that Charlie Hebdo, implored the masses to vote against the RN.

So now France's Left is aligned with Islamists, am I wrong?

charliehebdo.fr...

a reply to: gortex

This is going to get scary.

First of all there will be a shed load of undocumented immigrants.
Lots die every week trying to cross the channel.

Who foots the bill for our RNLI ?
Donations.

#ES going to get more silly.

Geez Character double zero, you keep pictures of fascist advertising for ‘research purposes’?

a reply to: chr0naut

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: watchitburn

I just find it odd that people dislike how the system works when it’s not in their favor.

Why would that be odd? Is it your contention that people should embrace misery? Or celebrate being destitute?

Certain policies and laws are highly unfavorable to everyone, even when a side thinks it's in their best interest, should we not complain or voice opposition to things that wreck our lives for the sake of enriching others?

Been that way since whatever, ok, I get it, so we should do what's expected of us and then ask for seconds???

Being a lemming has consequences.