Is The US at War With Yemen?

a reply to: CarlLaFong

Again. To do that job. We'd have to send in troops. Do you really want a another forever war? More dead soldiers? Wasting billions of dollars?

Afghanistan Crapped the bed. It was their country to defend. They screwed it. If Trump was president the outcome would of been the same. Trump wanted us out. He made the plan. Biden just followed it.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

You were in Afghanistan for 20 years with a growing public resentment for having troops there. What exactly did you expect? To stay there forever?

I agree that the pull out was sloppy but given the fact that the US and allies attempted to work with the Afghanis from day 1 it was fairly obvious that the conclusion to that little 'excursion' was inevitable.

Can't have it both ways... The majority wanted out of Afghanistan 10 years ago but they also want to bitch and moan about policy. When it comes to training most nations dream of having the US and Western nations training them and Afghanistan had it all on a plate.

I've heard the stories of how purposefully bone idle Afghani troops were... You would've had to make the damned place a 51st state for things to work.

That's not even getting into the risk factors and the politics of giving Afghanistan an air force which probably would've been required given the terrain. My point being keeping Afghanistan safe was a highly nuanced job where the locals, with their customs seemingly never played ball in the first place. Some did, the majority didn't. Bitter tastes all round especially given the fact the US public is always banging on about "the costs" and in this case I sadly agree with them.

Again the pullout was a # show but so was the prospect of being there forever.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: CarlLaFong

Trump wanted us out. He made the plan. Biden just followed it.

Biden just followed Trump's plan?
Trump's plan was to give away Bagram Air Base and $100b in state-of-the-art US military equipment to terrorists?
Trump's plan was to leave advisors and thousands of US advisors and citizens behind?
Trump's plan was to get 13 US service members killed by terrorists as they withdrew?

Sorry.
No Sale.
Biden has never followed any plan Trump made (on the contrary)...and, as far as the Afghan withdrawal went, Biden couldn't have handled it worse.

a reply to: CarlLaFong

You can blame Biden all you want. But the truth is that Afghans failed to defend their country. They did not hold up their end of the bargain to defend it. The Taliban didn't honor their end either. And the Taliban took over. Also the Air force transported more than 124K people out of there in a week. It's sad that they couldn't take everyone. But they did what they could.

So again. Did you want to commit more troops to defend an airbase? Spend billions of dollars more? Sacrifice troops lives to defend an airbase? Military equipment etc?

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: CarlLaFong

Again. To do that job. We'd have to send in troops. Do you really want a another forever war? More dead soldiers? Wasting billions of dollars?

Afghanistan Crapped the bed. It was their country to defend. They screwed it. If Trump was president the outcome would of been the same. Trump wanted us out. He made the plan. Biden just followed it.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Trump make a deal to have control of the whole city and Biden administration said no, we just need the airport? I know I heard or read this but not sure how true it is.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: CarlLaFong

You can blame Biden all you want. But the truth is that Afghans failed to defend their country. They did not hold up their end of the bargain to defend it. The Taliban didn't honor their end either. And the Taliban took over. Also the Air force transported more than 124K people out of there in a week. It's sad that they couldn't take everyone. But they did what they could.

So again. Did you want to commit more troops to defend an airbase? Spend billions of dollars more? Sacrifice troops lives to defend an airbase? Military equipment etc?

The Afghan president was not even involved in the bargaining deal from what I’ve read and he was pissed about it. The deal was between the US and the Taliban only is my understanding.

a reply to: grey580

Everyone, including myself, was ready to end our involvement in Afghanistan...but only if and when it was done intelligently and strategically.

Biden could not have done a worse job...he rushed and bungled everything...hoping to gain some sort of positive political optics by doing it by the anniversary of Sept. 11th.

originally posted by: CarlLaFong
Because it LOOKS like we're at war with Yemen.

US Navy faces its most intense combat since World War II against Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthi rebels
The U.S.-led campaign against Iran-backed Houthi rebels has turned into the most intense running sea battle the Navy has faced since World War II.

The combat pits the Navy’s mission to keep international waterways open against a group whose former arsenal of assault rifles and pickup trucks has grown into a seemingly inexhaustible supply of drones, missiles, and other weaponry.

Near-daily attacks by the Houthis since November have seen more than 50 vessels clearly targeted, while shipping volume has dropped in the vital Red Sea corridor that leads to the Suez Canal and into the Mediterranean.

The Houthis say the attacks are aimed at stopping the war in Gaza and supporting the Palestinians, though it comes as they try to strengthen their position in Yemen. All signs suggest the warfare will intensify — putting U.S. sailors, their allies, and commercial vessels at more risk.

abcnews.go.com...

They're shooting missiles and launching drones at us...and we're shooting back at them.

Sure sounds like a war to me.

Ummm...well...in the Houthi's defense...they didn't shoot anything at the navy...until the navy started to bomb them first...they limited their attacks to Israeli owned and bound merchant vessels initially...

Then the grande coalition showed up and began bombing the Houthi's...

The Houthi's just sank another merchant vessel bound for Israel with another one taking on water and in the process of sinking...just today...

Perhaps the US shouldn't be in the business of instigating all these conflicts around the world...

Nah...who am I trying to kid...it's the MO of the US to do just that...regardless which side of the Uniparty coin is on top at any given moment...



YouSir

a reply to: KrustyKrab

Again. That was only possible if the if the Afghan military was in control. And after the loss of control the only way to reestablish control was to send in more troops. Spending billions of dollars to get control back. And possibly having to be there for another decade. Losing more American lives.

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originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: CarlLaFong
Because it LOOKS like we're at war with Yemen.

US Navy faces its most intense combat since World War II against Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthi rebels
The U.S.-led campaign against Iran-backed Houthi rebels has turned into the most intense running sea battle the Navy has faced since World War II.

The combat pits the Navy’s mission to keep international waterways open against a group whose former arsenal of assault rifles and pickup trucks has grown into a seemingly inexhaustible supply of drones, missiles, and other weaponry.

Near-daily attacks by the Houthis since November have seen more than 50 vessels clearly targeted, while shipping volume has dropped in the vital Red Sea corridor that leads to the Suez Canal and into the Mediterranean.

The Houthis say the attacks are aimed at stopping the war in Gaza and supporting the Palestinians, though it comes as they try to strengthen their position in Yemen. All signs suggest the warfare will intensify — putting U.S. sailors, their allies, and commercial vessels at more risk.

abcnews.go.com...

They're shooting missiles and launching drones at us...and we're shooting back at them.

Sure sounds like a war to me.

Ummm...well...in the Houthi's defense...they didn't shoot anything at the navy...until the navy started to bomb them first...they limited their attacks to Israeli owned and bound merchant vessels initially...

Then the grande coalition showed up and began bombing the Houthi's...

The Houthi's just sank another merchant vessel bound for Israel with another one taking on water and in the process of sinking...just today...

Perhaps the US shouldn't be in the business of instigating all these conflicts around the world...

Nah...who am I trying to kid...it's the MO of the US to do just that...regardless which side of the Uniparty coin is on top at any given moment...

YouSir

The Houthi’s have been a terrorist organization since the mid 90’s and have been in all kinds of internal Arab conflicts that had little to nothing to do with the US. Their actions are not necessarily being initially instigated by the US. They’re just bad people period, funded and supported by Iran who we keep shipping billions of taxpayer dollars to.

Got to love there slogan though….sounds a bit genocidy doesn’t it?

God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, A Curse Upon the Jews, Victory to Islam

a reply to: grey580

Why can't you address these points. It's like you are being paid to post negatively about Biden. Who's paying you to ignore what I'm saying?

It’s all volunteer work. Anything anybody says about Jotato is going to be negative, unless you’re a brainwashed stooge. Maybe if everything he’s touched hadn’t turned to chit I’d feel different. 🤷‍♂️

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: KrustyKrab

Again. That was only possible if the if the Afghan military was in control. And after the loss of control the only way to reestablish control was to send in more troops. Spending billions of dollars to get control back. And possibly having to be there for another decade. Losing more American lives.
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Ummm the deal Trump made was with the Taliban not the Afghan military and I remember hearing that part of that deal was for the US to maintain control of the city, whether that was 100% true IDK, but I did hear or read that. The city was not secured under Biden for any of the evacuation.

This Yemen issue has been going on since the 90's. 2 decades before I posted the thread I linked on page 2 that no-one noticed. I actually see both sides now... Since 2013 most of my views have stayed the same, but I have changed some of my positions slightly. All I know, is I'm voting Trump this year. No-one will change my mind. The so-called "democrats" have lost their minds beyond the point of repair. Not that anyone asked for my opinion...

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: KrustyKrab

Why can't you address these points. [SNIP]

Not KK, but if you're looking to read some positive stuff about Slo-jo, simply go to Wikipedia. You can read volumes of gushing reviews about Biden and countless other members of the left. And, if you want to see debate, just switch over to the "Talk" pages of wikipedia where you can see all manner of arguments from people who tried to correct all these lies and set the record straight with the truth (but they were biffed)

And, you don't even have to go anywhere to also read truckloads of negative stuff about virtually every candidate who is one nanometer right of center in the political spectrum. Every single article about politics completely dumps and slags on the right and buffs the turd about the left!

You'll be really happy there. BUT...if that's not enough for you, then just hop on over to Reddit. Type in "Trump", or "Boomer" or "Bush" in the search box. Some words of wisdom though...bring a lunch, because you're gonna' be gone a while.

Basically,, if it's an echo chamber you are looking for, well, ATS isn't that (right or left really). Most of the people here actually have a brain, and many of them even try to use it. Imagine that!!!

Carry on.

a reply to: CarlLaFong
In theory, CONGRESS must approve a war. I guess rules don't matter anymore

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: CarlLaFong

So aside from talking points,

Have we held back any aid or military support?

THAT would be a "YES"!
Biden HAS held back aid and military support from Israel.

White House Rips Up Meeting Plans With Israeli Officials After Getting Attacked for Withholding Weapons

A reportedly angry White House canceled a high-level intelligence meeting with Israeli officials after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu attacked the Biden administration for withholding military aid.

Netanyahu said in a statement on Tuesday that it was “inconceivable” that the Biden administration was stonewalling military aid shipments to Israel, given Israeli forces’ ongoing war efforts against Hamas in Gaza.

Netanyahu claimed Tuesday that “for the past few months, the administration has been withholding weapons and ammunitions to Israel.” It was previously confirmed in May by Biden administration officials that one high payload munitions package was being put on hold over fears that it could be used in Gaza and have disproportionate effects on the civilian population.

thelibertydaily.com...

Blinken Confirms US Is ‘Holding Back’ Military Aid To Israel After NBC Host Presses On Biden’s ‘Red Line’

Secretary of State Antony Blinken confirmed Sunday on NBC the U.S. is “holding back” specific military aid to Israel after being pressed on President Joe Biden’s “red line” as the Israel-Hamas conflict continues.

dailycaller.com...

a reply to: CarlLaFong

That’s fair.

There is one shipment of 2,000lb bombs that was put on hold. Not cancelled.

We’ve continued to provide defensive and offensive aid aside from the one shipment.

The admin is also pressuring senators on the left to approve the sale of F-15 jets.

I’d still feel confident saying that we are actively supporting Israel, a nation with no defensive treaties with the United States. A country of 10m people have received more aid from the US than any other country ever.

Shipments get put on review in times of war.

I’m hard pressed to see one shipment on review as us turning our backs.

a reply to: network dude

Spot on.

Interesting tidbit: the spin doctors have slowly rebranded the term for the MIC, to the "Defense Industrial Base".
Sound less evil or corrupt to you?

See crsreports.congress.gov...

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: CarlLaFong

That’s fair.

There is one shipment of 2,000lb bombs that was put on hold. Not cancelled.

You asked: "Have we held back any aid or military support?".

Secretary of State Antony Blinken literally stated: "we have been holding back" a specific shipment of military aid to Israel.

Certainly, we could debate whether or not "on hold" is the same thing as "hold back".
But let's not.

BOTH result in Israel NOT getting, in a timely manner, specific military aid which the US has promised.

I'd rather just ask you to be sensible...and admit that, because it wants anti-Semitic/anti-Israel votes in Michigan, the Biden administration is clearly leveraging the delivery of promised weapons shipments as a means of coercing Israel.

a reply to: CarlLaFong

I acknowledged that you found a shipment that was held back.

But the broader discussion is whether or not the US turned its backs on Israel.

One shipment of unguided bombs got out on hold. But in the same time period our military has been directly engaged in their interests.

If you’d like to maintain the point that the US has turned our backs on them because of some stern suggestions and one shipment being put on hold, that’s your right. I doubt anything anyone says will change your mind.

They’ll remain the country who has received the most aid, and had multiple carrier groups in their region protecting them throughout the conflict.

You’re acting like we owe them something. We don’t. There is no treaty binding us to our charitable actions, but that hasn’t stopped us from continuing to provide.

Bibi claimed that Israel is the US’s biggest ally. I’d say that’s the other way around. They weren’t part of our coalition in the Middle East during our wars, the UK and many others certainly were.

Yet people continue to act like we owe them something. A country that got created because we helped, and then continued to protect.

I’m all for helping Israel. But recently, they and their supporters here in the US have acted ungrateful. They’re all becoming detached from reality.