Ancient Ireland Megalithic Passage Tombs and Buildings

a reply to: Irishhaf

Go back there mate. Plan your time there way ahead so you can take in as many special places as possible.

Newgrange, the Hill of Tara, Cill Macha (where im off too in a couple of weeks)

We've loads of places. The Cliff of Moher. Knowth. Dowth. The Ring of Kerry

To name but a few. You will not regret coming back i promise you.

Cead Mile Failte (A Hundred Thousand Welcomes)

a reply to: Kurokage


For readers that may not know what a Torc is, here are some examples.







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Beautiful jewellery.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: nugget1

There was no "off season" they were constantly either out hunting or gathering, and changing those habits around the seasons.
In the case of Stonehenge for example it has been found that every year around certain times of the year the groups or small tribes of sheep herders would gather and have a huge festival pretty much, which included moving giant rocks. This was only achieved by having good sources of protein, which of course the herders had.

It all revolved around food.

Oh dear! “A festival which included moving giant rocks around” lol just exactly where did you get this Gem from?

a reply to: AllisVibration

Well they obviously moved them with what they had... rocks, logs, rope, and man power. I'm not really sure what else to say?

The location they came from is not necessarily irrelevant, but, are you suggesting they had d6 bulldozers and 200 ton mobile liebherr cranes?

a reply to: Radchad

Where they got the stones from there's tons of archeological evidence that seasonal large gatherings happened in that area.

Who knows what the reason was to quarry the stones and move them, but they obviously had their reasons. And Stonehenge wasn't built in a few years it took decades and many add ons and modifications.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Radchad

Where they got the stones from there's tons of archeological evidence that seasonal large gatherings happened in that area.

Who knows what the reason was to quarry the stones and move them, but they obviously had their reasons. And Stonehenge wasn't built in a few years it took decades and many add ons and modifications.

You never answered my question! Where did you get the information that at festivals (which festivals) they moved stones around? I’m interested.

a reply to: Radchad

I never said literal festivals, I was being descriptive.
There was most definitely large firepits, large feasts, and large gatherings, from where they got their stones and to the site itself.

I read it in a book a while back something about meat feasting in the Neolithic age and its importance on the construction of Stonehenge.

originally posted by: nugget1
I find it hard to believe that simple 'stone age farmers' created such fantastic sites, like they had nothing better to do in their off-season time.

I think archeologists are missing huge pieces of the puzzle, and maybe on the wrong trail alltogether.

Love your thread, SecretKnowledge!

I kind of see it as humanities first expression of industrious use of free time for the benefit of everyone who grows things. Probably growing food communally allowed some people to have spare time and they used it to build public infrastructure.

Cool OP dude 🤙

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

I would love to, but moved recently to Alaska (so much to see and do here its tough to find a starting point) and that would be a flight day I am not certain my back could handle.

Add in a 5 yr old, and I am passed the 50 yr old point, just not sure its doable.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

I would love to, but moved recently to Alaska (so much to see and do here its tough to find a starting point) and that would be a flight day I am not certain my back could handle.

Add in a 5 yr old, and I am passed the 50 yr old point, just not sure its doable.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

I would love to, but moved recently to Alaska (so much to see and do here its tough to find a starting point) and that would be a flight day I am not certain my back could handle.

Add in a 5 yr old, and I am passed the 50 yr old point, just not sure its doable.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

Fascinating.

a reply to: strongfp

Well they obviously moved them with what they had... rocks, logs, rope, and man power.

Man power? As proposed my archeologists who never moved anything remotely heavy in their lives! They would have at the very least used oxen or some strong animals for the brute force work. BTW there was a group from Time team on TV a while back trying to move a single large stone in Orkney, trying to figure out how it was done. They used logs, ropes and man power and couldn’t budge it. In the end they laid down a load of sea weed and managed to slide it along the ground. That would have cut out friction, but it was hardly a demonstration of how the ancients did it.

They clearly understood the principles of mechanical leverage to even attempt to move and lift such heavy stones. As I said previously they could have just used smaller more manageable stones as they did with their cairns and dwellings.

So the real question is why go to all that trouble in the first place and to further complicate things have them astronomically aligned?

Clearly these structures were meant to last as they have done, but for what reason? What were they trying to tell us future generations? That for me is what we really should be trying to find out.

a reply to: AllisVibration

The thing is though, they did it.

Some of the stone in Newgrange came from the Wicklow mountains, 40km away. Not far compared to Stonehenge (wow). Now these are not big mountains 3,000ft, but they had to get them up and down at severe (for a human) angles.

Over rivers, streams, hilly land etc.

How the heck did ancient man move tonnes upon tonnes of humongous stone?

Oxen, Bulls, maybe red haired giants lol.

a reply to: AllisVibration

Archeologists aren't in the game to be construction workers, they investigate the past and paint a picture of what life was like back then with the evidence they have found.

We don't exactly know why the stones were erected and they do face certain directions, that's not disputed. But for some reason a lot of human labor, including cattle and sheep herding was put into gathering in one place, getting along with one another and then carving out large stones and putting them up. A leading theory is that there was a sort of family hierarchy involved, a sort of royal family lineage that was highly respected got everyone to move in one direction socially and productively.

a reply to: strongfp

I think you are referring to the Druids. It’s a shame they were all but wiped out. There is a video on YouTube called “the last Druid” very informative if you’re interested in such.

The Neolithic people also made henges from timber, long since rotted away but traces of them are found underground. One is right near stone henge, in fact Stonehenge was part of a massive sight most of which has been all but lost to us today. Avebury not far from Stonehenge is another intriguing site, that appears to have stones laid out in a kind of procession to the main site.

Another thing to consider is that these sites were often used and re-purposed by people of later periods such as the bronze and Iron Age. It’s highly likely they revered and adopted them for burials and such. But again what the original purpose was we have yet to learn.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

Have you seen the granite wall construction in the Andes? I can’t think of the exact location off the top of my head but can find it again I think. Basically huge blocks of granite were quarried from one mountain, moved all the way down and up another mountain, where they were perfectly fitted together. Quite the feat for allegedly primitive people.

In fact in South America you can clearly see where the Inca have built on top of much older structures, there work is primitive by comparison.

Modern man, our knowledge and awareness is so literal. We have lost so much that was not mystery to the ancients.

Rock has acoustic properties and I think peoples of the past were more attuned to the world around them (and beyond). I support Gaia Theory (and would go further in suggesting the planet is not only self-regulating but also has a consciousness we literalists do not appreciate).

I postulate, a) ancient peoples could hear and feel the planet and her components, b) the planet 'sings' and communicates with all life on Earth and with other resonant objects in the universe, c) kinetics and wave frequency were utilised in achieving what is now to us, virtually impossible

originally posted by: AllisVibration
a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

Have you seen the granite wall construction in the Andes? I can’t think of the exact location off the top of my head but can find it again I think. Basically huge blocks of granite were quarried from one mountain, moved all the way down and up another mountain, where they were perfectly fitted together. Quite the feat for allegedly primitive people.

In fact in South America you can clearly see where the Inca have built on top of much older structures, there work is primitive by comparison.

The place in the first 20 seconds in this video? About 17 seconds in.

Sasschayaman or something like that?

Or the place with the 'H' blocks?

I can't spell it, but yeah i have seen what you talk about. Stunning.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge2

None of the above but these are similar examples and convey what I’m getting at. I did have a bunch of sites book marked and was going to make a thread on them. I put a lot of time and effort into it when I was researching this stuff but unfortunately I lost it all when my old computer refused to boot up without crashing.. I don’t know if I want to go through that ball ache again…

I can say briefly though and in summary that these megalithic structures are to be found virtually all over the world, Korea for example has Dolmens that appear to have the same concept behind them as those in Ireland and Europe.
Although the styles of construction are different, they share more in common than otherwise.

The H-blocks you mention were discovered scattered about as if they had undergone some huge upheaval, they are precisely cut(that’s if they aren’t a composite material that was cast) and fit together perfectly like huge Lego blocks.
Some theorists suggest this was once a port of some kind, but how could that be way up in the mountains?

Archaeologists because they are specialists and due to compartmentalism claimed that granite was cut with bronze tools. Just because that is all they could find in Egypt for example. Yet anyone with a modicum of engineering knowledge will tell you it’s impossible, bronze is simply too soft to work hard stone like granite. The archeologicists then said well they must have used granite finings/dust embedded in the bronze to cut the material, again a ridiculous statement that could only be proposed by someone with no understanding of material science, engineering or construction.

Where as whoever built these amazing structures clearly did have the technical know how. You might even say they were “advanced”