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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: charlest2
HA! The current American and European leaders will fold their tail between their legs and cower into a fetal position. Nobody in power there or here actually wanted this fight, they just wanted to talk big and pretend they could actually pull it off and scare the largest nation on Earth, as well as the most populous one and think that tough talk would be enough.
You will not see a single European or American politician, currently in 2024, ready to commit to a full on confrontation with the two. If China actually gets involved directly in Ukraine, the world's citizens would see something embarassingly hilarious happen. They will order the media to completely forget Ukraine. it will get zero coverage in America, and the Europeans will suddenly be talking peace and concessions, which is why they will order the media to move on.
The age of destroying entire societies they way the US/UK/NATO alliance gleefully accomplished in the last thirty years for total market domination is over. The only way to keep that way of life going is to openly fight the largets nuclear powers on Earth directly.
I am so sorry my cold war fan boy boomers, but that badass superpower that used to be feared universally is gone. We did our best to suppress the industrial and technological development of the poor people of the world so that we could continue this colonialist way of life, but time has a way of playing catch up. The fat rich greedy capitalists of our empire got complacent and less human leading to underdevelopment at home (our markets are already controlled) and increasingly violent societal destruction overseas chasing diminishing gains in a world of people who were ready to evolve from being a squished bug under a boot.
The next administration will have the balls to confront this new alliance, but we all need to seriously move away from a combative human society to a collaborative one or we will never be able to fully capitalize on space exploration and resource extraction.
I know for a fact that as long as we keep dedicating all of our resources and mental thoughts on how to keep destroying each other on this rock, for domination of this rock, we will never leave this rock in any meaningful physical or spiritual way.
originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: ARM19688
Well, China has their own, more than capable, nuclear umbrella. I think what most people do not understand is, most of both China's and Russia's nuclear umbrellas are pointed at each other, not the USA.
How functional Russia's offensive military machine is (outside of this nuclear umbrella) seems to be seriously in question. On the other hand, China's defensive military machine is fearsome indeed. Russia's defensive military machine is also questionable, although not as questionable as their offensive one. Where Russia's defensive machine is weak is in logistics and support. When you add in the Swedish, Finnish and Polish NATO components to the equation, Russia's agility is likely seriously off balance. Let's hope we never find this out, because if this were ever to be proven out, this is where their nuclear capability would rear its ugly head.
originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
originally posted by: nugget1
It doesn't matter who the next POTUS is, the fuse was lit January 20, 2020 and it's too late to put it out. O'Biden still has 8 months to fan the flames, and fan them he will.
Watch the libs blame it on Trump somehow.
Forgive my ignorance, but what happened on January 20, 2020?
...I think both know the western powers can not be trusted to keep their word.
It's a historically proven fact at this point and China knows they will be the next target if Russia falls.
James Baker promised Russia there would be no NATO expansion eastward and look at NATO now. Right up against Russia's borders and they want to incorporate Ukraine into NATO now.
This nation was born in conflict and we have remained in conflict for most of our history.