REAL ID now a reality

a reply to: burritocat
All it is a secure license. Can't get over to Canada...and back without 1 in Detroit.

No passport without 1 either. We call it an "enhanced license".

Don't we feel like a number!?

a reply to: burritocat

Well thats just not true...I have a pretty old ID and I literally flew today. I am pretty sure the signs I saw said 2025...not sure the day but it is May.

a reply to: burritocat

Website shows May 7th 2025


Plus they have Pushed this back SO many times....so Who really knows

God forbid the DMV makes you bring a piece of mail when you renew your license.

Do Native American tribes need this to travel? I wonder if their sovereign status may exempt them.

Back in the 80s I'd go fishing on the river at Algonac across from Walpole Island Reservation over by Canada. They had their laws about fishing their waters back then, also they would go back and forth to pick up goods like cigarettes in the states to bring back to the res., probably other black market goods too. Nobody on either side stopped them, they seemed to be able to travel unhindered anywhere between the two countries, apparently without tariffs or customs.

a reply to: burritocat

Many state ID's are now real ID compliant.

I lost my VA state ID and had to get a new one. It doesn't expire until 2028.

I live in NY now, but shhh...don't tell anyone.

Anyway, I went to their website, did and provided what they needed and for $10 I have a new VA state ID that is Real ID compliant. I had no idea that it would be, I just needed a valid picture ID, so I guess it's a bonus.

Luckily my sister still lives in VA so I had it sent there and she then FedEx'd it to me.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: burritocat

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And, at the same time, like you said, if you don't like this then don't fly. It's almost cheaper to drive anywhere in the country anyway. Plus better site seeing and you can support more local mom and pop shops that you pass by on your travels.

One of the last times I flew it was from New Orleans to Greenville, SC. After multiple delays and one deboarding after having boarded at a layover (where the pilot seemed more pissed than the passengers) it took us several hours longer by plane than if we would have driven.

Then there was the night my wife and I slept on the floor of the chapel at DFW because our flight was canceled due to bad weather (there wasn't a cloud on radar or satellite between DFW and our destination). A muzzie came in in the morning and was pissed because we were sleeping on the prayer rugs.

Couple that with DEI hiring initiatives at airlines and airplane manufacturers and I don't fly anymore. Screw 'em! They won't get a penny of mine.

We will take the train if we can with with the schedule and still enjoy that.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: burritocat



- When we were first exposed to the Real ID concept in the 90's in school, I used to sit in the back of the class designing a card that would be, in my opinion, absolutely awesome. Your medical history would be on it in case of an accident to help facilitate care and treatment by first responders and all sorts of bells and whistles and fancy holograms to rally make having an Offfical Citizen ID being a point of personal National Pride.

- Then I started having arguments with folks talking about how to reverse engineer the chips and screw everything up because "the government is evil and out to get ya" and "trust no one" because they're so freaking paranoid about everything because they have an absolutlely fundamental misunderstanding about how things COULD work because they're still living in a fear based state of paranoia from bad programming and mistrust of everything under the sun.


- I want my goddamn Multipass.

Gen X out.

Perhaps you might to go ahead and get a neuralink implant. It has what you might be seeking.

a reply to: chr0naut

Unfortunately, freedom to not have to show some sort of consistent secure proof of identity, is freedom to be defrauded.

Wait while everything is biometrics and stored digitally, without some smart phone or electronic device you won’t be able to do anything requiring an ID, (which is an ever expanding amount of things) on top of that everything digital can be hacked. So if someone steals your biometrics you will be screwed, no changing passwords, or getting new documents etc.. you will be potentially locked out of your own life. Especially when digital currency is common place and nowhere excepts cash. No groceries for you, the whole thing could be a nightmare.

Governments could and will most likely use it to influence people’s behaviour, similar to China’s social credits system.
Or in the name of saving the environment travel and diet could easily be restricted if you exceed your quota.


At the very least you’re every action and transaction can be traced and monitored in real time by some AI.

But it will be for your convenience! Just be careful you don’t get nose dived…

a reply to: TruthJava

Oh ha ha ha.

You're such a card.

originally posted by: tarantulabite1
a reply to: burritocat

Website shows May 7th 2025

Plus they have Pushed this back SO many times....so Who really knows

LOL, never let facts get in the way of a good story.

originally posted by: burritocat
This is not entirely true. My license was renewed in 2017, and its not Real ID compliant. Its not an enhanced ID, so there are still IDs issued that are not compliant with this. The enhanced IDs cost more and require extra paperwork.

I bring this up now because you can no longer fly with a normal drivers license and ID, but must have the new ones.

I agree with you - too much invasion of our privacy. Oh, and I just renewed my driver's license in February here in Illinois and it's just a normal driver's license - with nothing extra tacked on.

Flying is too much of a hassle these days, so I swore it off long ago.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: burritocat

I'm all for it! If people want to live in this country, and more importantly vote in this country, (and collect welfare, and about 50 other things which WE the taxpayers pay for), then you need to have verifiable ID. The old system was easy to forge documents under, which forced people to have to carry even more documentation.

I hate to say this, because I think you're a nice guy - but.... what world are you living in? Every form of identification that was ever devised has eventually been faked by some criminal or another. Do you see that stopping now because they have a "Real ID?"

My social security number was originally all the identification I needed - it worked for years. I don't understand how it can't still work? Then it became a driver's license. And now it's a "Real ID" card. Do you think that a "Real ID" will be the last ever form of identification we will ever need and that they'll never come out with something even newer because somebody found a way to fake that as well?

Back to your first points - do they really require an ID to vote these days? If so, then why is vote fraud so rampant? If people actually had to show their social security number or driver's license, I'm sure elections would be a whole lot more secure.

I don't want to "live in this country," I am a citizen, was born here and it's my right. Nobody can legally take that right away from me.

Being a Veteran, I have my military ID and Veteran's card. That is all I ever needed and all I should ever need.

The bottom line is if people think having to get a "Real ID" will be the end of it, I think they're sadly mistaken. I mean look at the money in your wallet. They keep changing it to "make it more secure," and criminals keep finding ways to counterfeit it. Where does it end? It never does and never will.

originally posted by: grey580
This is done to keep illegal immigrants from getting driver licenses.

Baloney. The state of Illinois already allows illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses. And I'm pretty sure Illinois is not the only state that does this. They give them driver's licenses and register them to vote at the same time. It's not actually legal, but who can you get to enforce the law when it's the people in charge of enforcing the law who are the ones breaking it?

That's why we citizens of Illinois complain about having to show ID to get licenses, while the illegal immigrants don't. They couldn't show any anyway. These kinds of things are only done for one reason - to destroy the United States Of America. Have you noticed how it's working?

originally posted by: Euronymous2625
God forbid the DMV makes you bring a piece of mail when you renew your license.

God forbid they just look at your valid license you're trying to renew and realize you've already provided the needed ID. It's really quite simple, if you think about it.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: burritocat
All it is a secure license.

They told me my original license was secure. What happened? Whatever it was that happened, it will happen again with what ever is more secure and replaces that original ID.

a reply to: burritocat
Florida has been Real ID compliant since like 2010 or whatever. There were no microchips in my DL after I got a new one. I could not detect any signals being sent or received on any frequency. Therefore, seeing as it is still just a piece of plastic with some identifying information and a picture the only thing Real ID did from my observation was add documents to bring to prove my citizenship.

A very seldom and occasional hassle, but hardly liberty threatening IMO. I got over Real ID after like the third or fourth extension for states to be in compliance, and that was like ten years ago. Realized it just was not the authoritarian overreach it was once billed as.

a reply to: Station27

Here's our take: the only seemingly difference is a stamp/seal not there before.

Questions asked and info provided, same. A few add questions I believe.

Drivers License w Seal

originally posted by: Cvastar
a reply to: burritocat

I don't know about this; I'll have to give it some thought.

My first thoughts were, "no big deal" and "it's probably for the best". Why for the best? Last numbers I've seen indicate that 14% of the US population is foreign born. There's every reason to believe that a high percentage of those are bad actors. Another reason it may be for the best? Because a large percentage of the US population is a danger to themselves or others. Be that from insanity to criminal intent to mentally unhinged to drug dependent to emotionally unbalanced. We see the results every week with reports of people losing their minds and attacking airline passengers and/or crews.

People winge on about their "rights" and "constitutionality" but really, those concepts were meant for a different time; a time when the borders weren't open, a time when a significant percentage of the population wasn't drug dependent, mentally unstable, or interested in committing random acts of violence.

Truth be told, the real problem with airline travel, other than Boeing, is that it's far too inexpensive to fly. Thus the airlines have become Greyhound Busses in the sky, filled with all the worst the US society has to offer. That really needs to change.

No! The NWO provides the “managed crisis” then our uses the solution (aldo managed). And you fell for it.

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: burritocat

I'm all for it! If people want to live in this country, and more importantly vote in this country, (and collect welfare, and about 50 other things which WE the taxpayers pay for), then you need to have verifiable ID. The old system was easy to forge documents under, which forced people to have to carry even more documentation.

I hate to say this, because I think you're a nice guy - but.... what world are you living in? Every form of identification that was ever devised has eventually been faked by some criminal or another. Do you see that stopping now because they have a "Real ID?"

My social security number was originally all the identification I needed - it worked for years. I don't understand how it can't still work? Then it became a driver's license. And now it's a "Real ID" card. Do you think that a "Real ID" will be the last ever form of identification we will ever need and that they'll never come out with something even newer because somebody found a way to fake that as well?

Back to your first points - do they really require an ID to vote these days? If so, then why is vote fraud so rampant? If people actually had to show their social security number or driver's license, I'm sure elections would be a whole lot more secure.

I don't want to "live in this country," I am a citizen, was born here and it's my right. Nobody can legally take that right away from me.

Being a Veteran, I have my military ID and Veteran's card. That is all I ever needed and all I should ever need.

The bottom line is if people think having to get a "Real ID" will be the end of it, I think they're sadly mistaken. I mean look at the money in your wallet. They keep changing it to "make it more secure," and criminals keep finding ways to counterfeit it. Where does it end? It never does and never will.

Totally agree with you.Refreshung so wine sees through the NWO tactics of control.