Breaking--Hamas Accepts New Cease Fire

a reply to: jofafot

Ok? Then Hamas gets elected and declares the destruction of Israel in writing.

You claimed at some point you didn’t need history from 29 years ago, but you want to post about the 1800’s.

This is why Hamas will never be at peace with the world and even rejects a two state solution.

In 2006, Hamas ran openly for the first time in legislative elections and won the largest number of seats—over Arafat’s Fatah and other secular parties—in the Palestinian Authority’s legislature. It wrested physical control of Gaza away from the PA a year later, thereby cementing its political and military control of an area that is about the size of Philadelphia. Its statements since then have often sounded contradictory—in one moment calling for liberation of all the lands that were part of historic Palestine and in another moment claiming Hamas could live alongside another state based on the 1967 borders, when Israel seized Gaza from Egypt. In December 2012, Khaled Mashaal, a leader in exile, reflected the traditional Hamas hardline, “The state will come from resistance, not negotiation. Liberation first, then statehood. Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north,” he said in a speech. “There will be no concession on any inch of the land. We will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation, and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel… We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone by stone. Israel has no right to be in Jerusalem.”

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All through the 1990’s during what was supposed to be a peace process. While Isreal was giving up land. Hamas and other Palestinian groups kept using suicide bombings to kill Jews in Israel.

In Hamas TV show, Gaza children sing praises of suicide bombing
Grandchildren of late Islamist MP extol virtues of jihad and sacrificing one's life for the homeland

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24 April 2013, 11:30 pm

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I’m getting the feeling the Palestinians in Gaza have embraced death cult.

originally posted by: Danvero
That is true, there is no tribe called "The Palestinian Tribe", similar to Saudi Arabia. There was no Saudi nation, but a group of tribes where each tribe has ruled part of the kingdom then merged into one country. There are no Saudis but that doesn't mean that the people living in Saudi Arabia didn't exist before creation of kingdom.

True, so where is the land for these people? Jordan was to be the Muslim Palestine and Israel was to be the Jewish Palestine. The Brits and French picked what they saw as a strong ruling party, and put them in charge. What we see in The West Bank and Gaza are refuges that neither Egypt or Jordan took in as part of their country. Those two nations ran both places and it wasn't until the Wars that they basically dumped them on Israel and walled off their side in each case.

This is not a problem for only Israel to fix, it is a problem for the ME to fix, but too many countries like the way it is as they use them as cannon fodder to sway world views on Israel.

originally posted by: RAY1990

Just a tongue in cheek play on narrative. In the past when I've mentioned US revolutionaries/rebels were practically terrorists the answer I always got was "Hell Yeah!" So I do hope you see the comedy in my post and don't take it seriously. In poor taste I know but then again so is people from a nation that believes in sovereign self-determination and religious freedom saying "because they're Muslim!" wouldn't you think?

So, who are they if not Jordanians and Egyptians? They are not some special groups of people. Where is their land that conquers called Palestine, it expanded over 5 countries we see today. Jordan was the land for the Muslim Palestine, so that is why I call them refugees. So you tell me where should the go, and what is their land today.

Remember in your tongue and cheek all those refugees got their land through wars taking it from others and everyone is OK with that, why is Israel any different? The big difference is Jews have been there for 1000s of years.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Remember in your tongue and cheek all those refugees got their land through wars taking it from others and everyone is OK with that.

Those Muslim countries in the Middle East and Persia got to be Muslim because the Muslims colonized, ethnically cleansed, slaughtered, raped, engaged in massive wars against the native peoples, and forced people to convert to Islam. HERE

a reply to: FlyersFan

If we are going to be ranking killings for religion Christianity is #1

Is Israel going to start killing Christians now? (After all people in Israel spit on them in the street)
If the Christian US stops sending weapons, are they now fair game for killing.
What about the ICC, kill them too?


Really what's your point about bringing up all these bad thing about Muslims
same can be done for really any major religion or ethnic group

Under the same game, Catholics would look really bad probably the worst.

So what?
Does it matter if you kill but you come from a clean ethnic line?

The only way it would matter if you believe in ethnic cleansing and clean/unclean people

And apparently, based on you other posts, you do believe in ethnic cleansing.

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
If we are going to be ranking killings for religion Christianity is #1 ...

From what I've read it's about equal.
Although atheist communism probably tops the Abrahamic religions when it comes to killing.

Really what's your point about bringing up all these bad thing about Muslims

You really can't handle it when someone points out something bad about Islam or Muslims, can ya'? Deflection and whataboutisms ... pretty weak.

I was on topic addressing Xtrozero's post that the Muslims who live there got their land via wars, and I backed his post up with cold hard facts. Deal with the truth of it.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Danvero
That is true, there is no tribe called "The Palestinian Tribe", similar to Saudi Arabia. There was no Saudi nation, but a group of tribes where each tribe has ruled part of the kingdom then merged into one country. There are no Saudis but that doesn't mean that the people living in Saudi Arabia didn't exist before creation of kingdom.

True, so where is the land for these people? Jordan was to be the Muslim Palestine and Israel was to be the Jewish Palestine. The Brits and French picked what they saw as a strong ruling party, and put them in charge. What we see in The West Bank and Gaza are refuges that neither Egypt or Jordan took in as part of their country. Those two nations ran both places and it wasn't until the Wars that they basically dumped them on Israel and walled off their side in each case.

This is not a problem for only Israel to fix, it is a problem for the ME to fix, but too many countries like the way it is as they use them as cannon fodder to sway world views on Israel.

Both Christians and Muslims consider themselves Palestinians with one ethnic and geographic heritage; They are the semitic inhabitants of the area. Some of the Christians are converts from Judaism and some of Muslims are converts from Judaism and Christianity. Palestinians speak an semitic Arabic dialect and are the descendants of the old Hebrew people, the ethnic Jews. Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations. Archaeological and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian and Anatolian peoples in ancient times.

According to research carried out by….Dr. Eran Elhaik of the University of Sheffield, over 90 per cent of Ashkenazic ancestors come from that converted partially Greek-originating ancient community in north-east Turkey.

New research conducted by Israeli geneticist, Dr. Eran Elhaik, suggests that most of the modern Jewish population of northern and eastern Europe – normally known as Ashkenazic Jews – are the descendants of Greeks, Iranians and others who colonized what is now northern Turkey more than 2000 years ago and were then converted to Judaism, probably in the first few centuries AD by Jews from Persia.

The bible also tells about Non-Israelis whom have converted to Judism
But woe unto you, lawyers and (Pharisees - Farsis - Persian converts to Judaism, who were the) politicians, hypocrites! for ye shut up The Kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither allow ye them that are entering to go in (see Enoch 93:4-104:6).

Ester 8:17 And in every province, and in every city, wheresoever the king’s commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.

Further more, Ashkenaz is grand son of Japheth, whom is Shem (Semites) brother. That basically implies that Ashkenaz are not Semites.

That basically means, not because someone is Jew, he must belong to land of Israel. Any convert to Judaism by Israeli law is considered a citizen of Israel and can travel anytime to Palestine to receive his new home and job.

a reply to: Lazy88

You claimed at some point you didn’t need history from 29 years ago, but you want to post about the 1800’s.

I am not the one who claimed muslims can't be peaceful. I only said it is not true and presented the part of the history when they were peaceful.

You on the other hand tried to argue all palestinians are terrorists OVER AND OVER AGAIN and presented some terrorist organizations from 25 years ago, albeit some still functioning, to back up your claim. Which I never denied but only said what I've been saying from the beginning, generalization is bad and there are innocent palestinians who have nothing to do with hamas or *insert any other terrorist organization you want here*.

Don't try to change meaning of what I said in the past to fit to your narrative. It is all public and anyone who wants to follow can easily see exactly what I said.

originally posted by: Danvero


That basically means, not because someone is Jew, he must belong to land of Israel. Any convert to Judaism by Israeli law is considered a citizen of Israel and can travel anytime to Palestine to receive his new home and job.

So, answer my question about where their land is if it covered the 7 or 8 counties we see today. Their land 1 foot to the West in Jordan and 1 foot to the South in Egypt is as much as their land as Israel is, maybe more their land.

But all that really doesn't matter today as Israel won their lands by conquest, just like everyone has done...

a reply to: jofafot

I am not the one who claimed muslims can't be peaceful. I only said it is not true and presented the part of the history when they were peaceful.

History will tell you that they are peaceful until they are the majority.

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88


I am not the one who claimed muslims can't be peaceful.

Quote where I posed that.

What I have posted is in the 1990’s, the PLO representing the Palestinians negotiated a road to peace that was agreed upon. While Israel was giving up occupied land for peace, Hamas and its cult of death pushed, supported, carried out numerous suicide bombing in Israel at that time.

The Palestinian Authority slated to carry out the peace process loss political power by the violet takeover of Hamas.

The population affirmed and supported the Hamas written doctrine of destroying Israel by voting them into power.


Gaza Palestinians literally voted for the destruction of Israel not peace, nor coexistence.

a reply to: Lazy88

Quote where I posed that.

I didn't say you did. I was talking about another user. That's what happens when you get confused and think of two different conversations as one.

In one of those conversations you were arguing with me about how "all palestinians are terrorists" by saying "there are so many of those terrorist groups" while including those that aren't active anymore and in another I was arguing with someone else who claimed "muslims can't be peaceful".

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: jofafot

I am not the one who claimed muslims can't be peaceful. I only said it is not true and presented the part of the history when they were peaceful.

History will tell you that they are peaceful until they are the majority.

Were ottomans not muslims?

Quote where I posed that.

originally posted by: [post=27378786]jofafo

I didn't say you did. I was talking about another user.

Dude it was literally your reply to me.



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a reply to: Lazy88
You really don't want to get along, do you? Read this CAREFULLY:

I didn't say you did. I was talking about another user. That's what happens when you get confused and think of two different conversations as one.

In one of those conversations you were arguing with me about how "all palestinians are terrorists" by saying "there are so many of those terrorist groups" while including those that aren't active anymore and in another I was arguing with someone else who claimed "muslims can't be peaceful"

a reply to: jofafot

It’s was literally in your reply to me.



Sorry.

Added. As in the confusion is in you crafted a specific reply to me with the statement in that reply.

a reply to: jofafot

So I asked you to quote where you made a statement to a reply to me.

Then you couldn’t quote was asked. You make a lane excuse and try to blame me.

Well. That’s crazy on your part.

a reply to: Lazy88
Yes, it was. And here's why.
You were arguing with me about how all palestinians are terrorists. You did give examples of terrorist organizations from 25 years ago. I said they don't exist anymore then you said some are still functioning. Are we clear so far?

Then, another user said "muslims can't be peaceful and would kill eachother". In response, I said ottomans were muslims and palestine was peaceful when under their control. Are we still clear?

After all that, you came and said:

You claimed at some point you didn’t need history from 29 years ago, but you want to post about the 1800’s.

So, as a response I said:

*I* am not the one who claimed muslims can't be peaceful. I only said it is not true and presented the part of the history when they were peaceful.

Indicating it was not me who wants to talk about the past, I am only pointing out the history where palestine was peaceful. Just like how you pointed out there a bunch of terrorist organizations from 19's. Are we still good? Feel free to tell me which part you find not understandable.

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88

Then, another user said

The why did you craft it into a quote of my post and a reply to me.

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a reply to: Lazy88
But I just explained it to you in my previous reply 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣