Breaking--Hamas Accepts New Cease Fire

originally posted by: jofafot

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: DBCowboy

You really think the ME was at peace?

Wow.

History cannot be found on the pages of wiki.

Wikipedia does its job as a quick information source with all references included.

You realize Wikipedia can be easily manipulated as propaganda. Yes?

Not only that but I also realize this point is only made up when someone needs an emergency exit from arguing.

So you DO know Wikipedia is not a reliable source...yet you sing it's praises, all the same.
Why?

a reply to: DBCowboy
Link?

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: jofafot

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: DBCowboy

You really think the ME was at peace?

Wow.

History cannot be found on the pages of wiki.

Wikipedia does its job as a quick information source with all references included.

You realize Wikipedia can be easily manipulated as propaganda. Yes?

Not only that but I also realize this point is only made up when someone needs an emergency exit from arguing.

So you DO know Wikipedia is not a reliable source...yet you sing it's praises, all the same.
Why?

No, it is a reliable source.

You realize Wikipedia can be easily manipulated as propaganda.

It can be manipulated but you can check if it is. In one of my previous messages I said they have been putting references for a long time so you can check who said what easily. If something doesn't have a reference(my source does) you can guess it is probably fake.

originally posted by: jofafot
Which is proven wrong and you'd know that if you actually bothered reading quotes and source of those quotes in my previous messages. Don't worry, wikipedia have been putting references to make sure they are not fake for a long time. You can follow it and see who said what. So go on, don't be scared of finding the truth.

Truth to what?

Can you get to your main point in all this? What would you like to say about Muslims in the ME so we can all learn the truth. I find you reality of peace has many grey areas in it...lol

originally posted by: jofafot

Your point falls apart if I say yes, you realize this, right?

Not really, then we can actually talk about what has been going on there is a very down-to-earth level of communication. So where did you live, and we can talk about it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Can you get to your main point in all this?

Your reading comprehension must be very bad but sure, let me copy-paste the samething I've been saying for several posts now:

Current israel, west bank, gaza were referred as "palestine" when ottomans ruled those lands and they were infact mostly peaceful. However, sh!t seems hit the fan whenever ottomans lost control of these lands then got peaceful again when they got control back

I find you reality of peace has many grey areas in it

Eh, not really. I have been making the same point(peace under ottoman rule) while you have been busy with not understanding me and changing your points(ottoman wars, saddam, africa...).

then we can actually talk about what has been going on there is a very down-to-earth level of communication. So where did you live, and we can talk about it.

People are peaceful as usual and the weather has been a little hot lately. Any other questions?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Whatever

What are we, 12?

There's evidence that exposes how the Corporatocracy supports terrorism. Look into Obama's connection to the Muslim Brotherhood, look into how the Panama Papers exposed thousands of offshore shell companies used to launder money...research Burisma. Look into how the FBI recruits potential terrorists. The data's there but people don't want to look. They'd rather keep drinking the Koolaid... I guess life's easier that way.

If you don't have a sense of the massive layers of corruption governments are embroiled in, you're naive.

The ME can be as religious as it wants to be but the bottom line is Money Talks. That's the way it's always been.

I didn't give myself 8 stars, obviously.

originally posted by: jofafot

Your reading comprehension must be very bad but sure, let me copy-paste the samething I've been saying for several posts

Well, the fact that I don't read every post you make doesn't mean I have a reading comprehension issue. Why do you feel the need to attack my me personally now?

Current israel, west bank, gaza were referred as "palestine" when ottomans ruled those lands and they were infact mostly peaceful. However, sh!t seems hit the fan whenever ottomans lost control of these lands then got peaceful again when they got control back

A large area was named that by the Ottoman Empire, so it wasn't a country before, just uncharted lands. Egypt, Jordan, and up through Syria and maybe even into Turkey along with parts of Saudi called that, so are all those countries incorrect?

Eh, not really. I have been making the same point(peace under ottoman rule) while you have been busy with not understanding me and changing your points(ottoman wars, saddam, africa...).

OK, back to my point...Muslims hate each other and have zero concerns about killing each other.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

What are we, 12?

The ME can be as religious as it wants to be but the bottom line is Money Talks. That's the way it's always been.

I didn't give myself 8 stars, obviously.

I try to speak to my audience's level...

You are just going round and round and some point I'll just get off your reality train. When I say Whatever, I mean there really isn't much more to say unless you want to rehash the same lines over and over again.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Well, the fact that I don't read every post you make doesn't mean I have a reading comprehension issue. Why do you feel the need to attack my me personally now?

You were just wasting my time, not reading everything but still replying? Hmm...
That was not an attack by the way. I have been pointing out samething every single time but you aren't understanding it so I naturally came into conclusion that you must have reading comprehension issue which turned out to be wrong as you admitted you weren't reading everything.

Muslims hate each other and have zero concerns about killing each other.

I am still against generalization not only because I find it always wrong but also due to my personal experience with them but as you've previously said in one of your messages: "Whatever"

When I say Whatever, I mean there really isn't much more to say unless you want to rehash the same lines over and over again.

In other words, you have no rebuttal.

So ok. whatever

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Well, no they are not. Both Jordan and Saudi supported Israel when Iran launched missiles. There is no such thing as Palestine, it was recently invented in the last 100 years to describe these groups of people. The people in The Wast Bank and Gaza are Jordanians and Egyptians by DNA, culture, and religion. The word Palestine was invented by a foreign conquer to describe uncharted areas of Egypt

They are nothing more than groups of refugees no one wanted. Jordan and Egypt dumped their troubles on to Israel as they did not let them go one foot into their own countries. If the ME really wanted to fix it, they could, but some countries like to use them as cannon fodder against Israel.

Okay.

Regurgitated propaganda, albeit an odd mix.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

In other words, you have no rebuttal.

Rebuttal to what? You are going around in circles, so you said what you wanted to say and so did I. End of story.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Well, no they are not. Both Jordan and Saudi supported Israel when Iran launched missiles. There is no such thing as Palestine, it was recently invented in the last 100 years to describe these groups of people. The people in The Wast Bank and Gaza are Jordanians and Egyptians by DNA, culture, and religion. The word Palestine was invented by a foreign conquer to describe uncharted areas of Egypt

The term Palestine first appeared in the 5th century when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistine" between Phoenicia and Egypt in The Histories. We commonly hear that the Romans eventually imposed the alien name "Palestine" on Israel or Judaea.

originally posted by: jofafot

I am still against generalization not only because I find it always wrong but also due to my personal experience with them but as you've previously said in one of your messages: "Whatever"

What you are missing in all this is I have demonstrated that I agree with you, but I have been showing why they might have peace. It is the same reason Saddam, the Taliban, Iran etc have had peace. How did the Ba'ath Party in Iraq maintain peace? They did it the same way all the others do it by full totalitarian control where the value of life is zero.

We saw what happens when that is removed. In Iraq, 1 million Sunnis and Shiites killed each other. They have this thing about the direct descendants of Muhammad’s family, and they are willing to kill each other over it.

You say the Ottoman Empire had peace for 400 years and I'm saying the only way they did that was with extreme control over the population. They were a warlord conquering nation, not nice guys in any way you look at it.

originally posted by: Danvero
The term Palestine first appeared in the 5th century when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistine" between Phoenicia and Egypt in The Histories. We commonly hear that the Romans eventually imposed the alien name "Palestine" on Israel or Judaea.

As I have said, it was a word used by conquering nations to label a large area, there were no nations called Palestine. Judaea has been around long before anyone else in the area.

Following the Ottoman conquest in 1517, the Land was divided into four districts and attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. At the outset of the Ottoman era, an estimated 1,000 Jewish families lived in the country, mainly in Jerusalem, Nablus (Shechem), Hebron, Gaza, Safed (Tzfat) and the villages of Galilee. The community was comprised of descendants of Jews who had never left the Land as well as immigrants from North Africa and Europe.

If we want to say Palestine, then we are talking about 5 countries today.

truthout.org...

"A December 13, 2006 cable, “Influencing the SARG [Syrian government] in the End of 2006,”1 indicates that, as far back as 2006 – five years before “Arab Spring” protests in Syria – destabilizing the Syrian government was a central motivation of US policy. The author of the cable was William Roebuck, at the time chargé d’affaires at the US embassy in Damascus. The cable outlines strategies for destabilizing the Syrian government."

a reply to: Xtrozero

As I have said, it was a word used by conquering nations to label a large area, there were no nations called Palestine. Judaea has been around long before anyone else in the area.

That is true, there is no tribe called "The Palestinian Tribe", similar to Saudi Arabia. There was no Saudi nation, but a group of tribes where each tribe has ruled part of the kingdom then merged into one country. There are no Saudis but that doesn't mean that the people living in Saudi Arabia didn't exist before creation of kingdom.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You say the Ottoman Empire had peace for 400 years and I'm saying the only way they did that was with extreme control over the population. They were a warlord conquering nation, not nice guys in any way you look at it.

Whatever you say boss.

The Muslim, Christian, and Jewish communities of Palestine were allowed to exercise jurisdiction over their own members according to charters granted to them. For centuries the Jews and Christians had enjoyed a large degree of communal autonomy in matters of worship, jurisdiction over personal status, taxes, and in managing their schools and charitable institutions. In the 19th century those rights were formally recognized as part of the Tanzimat reforms and when the communities were placed under the protection of European public law.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

But they aren't. They're uniting together to stand up for Palestine.

Well, no they are not. Both Jordan and Saudi supported Israel when Iran launched missiles. There is no such thing as Palestine, it was recently invented in the last 100 years to describe these groups of people. The people in The Wast Bank and Gaza are Jordanians and Egyptians by DNA, culture, and religion. The word Palestine was invented by a foreign conquer to describe uncharted areas of Egypt

They are nothing more than groups of refugees no one wanted. Jordan and Egypt dumped their troubles on to Israel as they did not let them go one foot into their own countries. If the ME really wanted to fix it, they could, but some countries like to use them as cannon fodder against Israel.

Well, no they are not. Both France and Spain supported rebels when they attacked the British.There is no such thing as the United States of America, it was recently invented in the last 300 years to describe a bunch of colonies. The people in the colonies are Europeans and native Americans, slaves and cheap labour. The word America was invented by invaders to describe uncharted areas of Turtle Island.

They are nothing more than refugees no one wanted, Europe and Africa (Asia too) dumped their trouples onto Turtle island as they did not want them in their own countries. If Europeans really wanted to fix it, they could, but some countries like to use them as cannon fodder against the British.

Just a tongue in cheek play on narrative. In the past when I've mentioned US revolutionaries/rebels were practically terrorists the answer I always got was "Hell Yeah!" So I do hope you see the comedy in my post and don't take it seriously. In poor taste I know but then again so is people from a nation that believes in sovereign self-determination and religious freedom saying "because they're Muslim!" wouldn't you think?