California Must Spend 20 Billion on Power Grid Upgrades If It Wants EVs

Do people still not get it? Reading this thread suggests that some do, but not many. Strange.

EV’s have never been to save the planet or offer a viable alternative for mass transport. If they had then the infrastructure would have grown with them properly. They have always been to disrupt fossil fuelled vehicles, divide people and ultimately degrade the average persons ability to travel. They are a madness that some people fell for.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: FlyersFan

The power grid is not going to be upgraded or expanded in CA, or anywhere else.

They don't care if you can charge your EV or not.

The goal is to have people unable to travel. It's the 15 minute cities thing.

15 minute cities don't stop people from being able to travel.

It's like saying that escalators in malls are going to stop people from buying stuff on the Internet.

originally posted by: yeahright
a reply to: Mantiss2021

Fire danger could be mitigated by clearing away underbrush, but that could disturb the habitat of the naked mole rat. Or something.

Nope. It just takes money. California and the US Forest Service have figured out that they would have to either burn or chip and haul away about 10 million tons of downed wood and brush over an area of about 1 million acres, per year, to make a dent in the overgrowth and worsening fire danger in California's woodlands.

Nationwide, the buildup of biomass in our forests has lagged behind harvesting of that biomass basically ever since the end of WWII, with some of the biggest buildup actually in the hardwood forests of the Southeast.

All you need to do to implement your brilliant plan is to figure out who's going to pay for it.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Hmm... Sounds to me that Cally could use some Inexpensive Good Old Fashion Coal Powered Electrical Plants to meet their
Ever growing Need of Complete Electrification of their Transportation Capabilities......

a reply to: Boomer1947

I see. So that's the thing we finally need to figure out who's going to pay for it. Good to know there's finally a line somewhere.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: FlyersFan

The power grid is not going to be upgraded or expanded in CA, or anywhere else.

They don't care if you can charge your EV or not.

The goal is to have people unable to travel. It's the 15 minute cities thing.

Its the dawn of a new era; 15 minute city’s all over the world and the only group who will be able to travel will be the globalist elite. We will have put on our own shackles.

Can't pay for undergrowth abatement or management whilst trying to give the country away to the entire planet.

Priorities.

originally posted by: Dandandat3

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: FlyersFan

The power grid is not going to be upgraded or expanded in CA, or anywhere else.

They don't care if you can charge your EV or not.

The goal is to have people unable to travel. It's the 15 minute cities thing.

Its the dawn of a new era; 15 minute city’s all over the world and the only group who will be able to travel will be the globalist elite. We will have put on our own shackles.

When we got 2025 in the rearview mirror and the Deagle population projections are BS, I'll agree to that assessment.

YMMV, but these last ~25 years have taught me some very important lessons. The most important being that apathy kills and ignorance pays.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: FlyersFan

The power grid is not going to be upgraded or expanded in CA, or anywhere else.

They don't care if you can charge your EV or not.

The goal is to have people unable to travel. It's the 15 minute cities thing.

15 minute cities don't stop people from being able to travel.

It's like saying that escalators in malls are going to stop people from buying stuff on the Internet.

They do the poor.Travel outside of it x amount of times in a year and you will be fined.So only the rich can travel at will.
The majority I.e. 90 percent fall into the poor category.
Even more so when your cbdc expires every 30 days.
Keep on sleepwalking into digital servitude,hell you are actually helping get there with your lies that cover for these sick s.o.b's.
So what is it,complicate or compliant?
Going by your history of supporting every government dictate during covid,fake vax,face masks etc etc etc,I say complicate.

originally posted by: glen200376

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: FlyersFan

The power grid is not going to be upgraded or expanded in CA, or anywhere else.

They don't care if you can charge your EV or not.

The goal is to have people unable to travel. It's the 15 minute cities thing.

15 minute cities don't stop people from being able to travel.

It's like saying that escalators in malls are going to stop people from buying stuff on the Internet.

They do the poor.Travel outside of it x amount of times in a year and you will be fined.So only the rich can travel at will.
The majority I.e. 90 percent fall into the poor category.
Even more so when your cbdc expires every 30 days.
Keep on sleepwalking into digital servitude,hell you are actually helping get there with your lies that cover for these sick s.o.b's.
So what is it,complicate or compliant?
Going by your history of supporting every government dictate during covid,fake vax,face masks etc etc etc,I say complicate.

Where did you get the idea that people get fined for travelling in a 15 minute city? QAnon?

It is just that the city is planned for better efficiency.

There is still public transport (in fact, public transport is usually a necessary part of the design), and people can still have cars and trucks and travel by planes and ships.

Here's the definition: 15-minute city

a reply to: watchitburn

Exactly. Stole the words right out of my mouth.

a reply to: chr0naut

In a prison, you're also at 15 minutes walk from most services they allow you to use.

a reply to: glen200376

Precisely. Sure you'll be "allowed" to travel out but you will have to comply by so many conditions that in practice it'd be nearly impossible.

In Quebec, ground zero for the Great Reset, they are talking about squeezing all of the population in cities such as Montreal. They are already building apartment blocks - a millions at a time, which is the size of the population of Quebec, Native Americans included. The government announced its plan to "protect" the rest. In other words, anything outside of the cities will become state-owned land, including former private properties. No trespassing allowed, at least not without state approval.

The government itself then recently announced that it would continue mining on the "protected" lands while the people would be denied cars (gasoline or otherwise).

Their idea is to build a prison that's the size of a city or several cities linked together via public transport.

They rest, the government will claim it for itself. All lands. All lakes. All resources. Including land people used to own. Just last year the government passed Law 22 allowing it to seize private properties for any reason.

People have to stop believing that we're free in a prison.

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: yeahright

A certain high-profile politician suggested something along those lines and was, as per usual, ridiculed and mocked for it. Turns out he was right. Again.

stupid Trump. I bet he told them to inject bleach into their rakes too.

originally posted by: Boomer1947

originally posted by: yeahright
a reply to: Mantiss2021

Fire danger could be mitigated by clearing away underbrush, but that could disturb the habitat of the naked mole rat. Or something.

Nope. It just takes money. California and the US Forest Service have figured out that they would have to either burn or chip and haul away about 10 million tons of downed wood and brush over an area of about 1 million acres, per year, to make a dent in the overgrowth and worsening fire danger in California's woodlands.

Nationwide, the buildup of biomass in our forests has lagged behind harvesting of that biomass basically ever since the end of WWII, with some of the biggest buildup actually in the hardwood forests of the Southeast.

All you need to do to implement your brilliant plan is to figure out who's going to pay for it.

I suppose it's cheaper to just pay the families of the victims of the wildfires. Must be prudent with the cash amirite.

originally posted by: leongrad
a reply to: chr0naut

In a prison, you're also at 15 minutes walk from most services they allow you to use.

... except public transport, your family and friends, cinemas, shopping centres, interstate and international travel, nature walks and parklands, outdoor events, venues serving alcoholic beverages and fine dining, amusement parks, car racing, air-shows, health spa's, major sporting events, fishing, hunting, cycling, camping, choice in fashion, and etc...

originally posted by: leongrad
a reply to: glen200376

Precisely. Sure you'll be "allowed" to travel out but you will have to comply by so many conditions that in practice it'd be nearly impossible.

In Quebec, ground zero for the Great Reset, they are talking about squeezing all of the population in cities such as Montreal. They are already building apartment blocks - a millions at a time, which is the size of the population of Quebec, Native Americans included. The government announced its plan to "protect" the rest. In other words, anything outside of the cities will become state-owned land, including former private properties. No trespassing allowed, at least not without state approval.

The government itself then recently announced that it would continue mining on the "protected" lands while the people would be denied cars (gasoline or otherwise).

Their idea is to build a prison that's the size of a city or several cities linked together via public transport.

They rest, the government will claim it for itself. All lands. All lakes. All resources. Including land people used to own. Just last year the government passed Law 22 allowing it to seize private properties for any reason.

People have to stop believing that we're free in a prison.

Actually, the C-22 bill does not give the Canadian government the right to seize private properties for any reason. And also the act was passed as law in 1993, but it has been amended several times, the last being this year.

Seized Property Management Act

BILL C-22: AN ACT TO FACILITATE COMBATTING THE LAUNDERING OF PROCEEDS OF CRIME, TO ESTABLISH THE FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS AND REPORTS ANALYSIS CENTRE OF CANADA AND TO AMEND AND REPEAL CERTAIN ACTS IN CONSEQUENCE THEREOF

originally posted by: FlyersFan
California, which already suffers from rolling black and brown outs in hot summer months, has a power grid that can't handle the expected addition of millions of EVs. It is estimated that it will cost California at $20 Billion to upgrade. They also plan on building at least 30,000 more charging stations (which sounds rather low to me, I'd think more would be needed). All that new energy has to come from somewhere. Expect more power sources to be built soon. They have to. Otherwise, everyone buying EVs are just buying big paperweights cuz' they won't be going anywhere!


California Must Spend 20 Billion on Power Grid Upgrades If It Wants EVs

California must spend up to $20 billion on transmission line upgrades to support energy transfers to electric vehicles, according to a new Berkeley study. This figure does not include grid stress from further electrification efforts away from gas appliances, and could prove to be significantly higher.

The study’s author estimates that by 2035, 50% of “feeder” transmission lines will be “overloaded by EV charging demand,” a figure that will grow to 67% by 2045. They say the cost of upgrading transmission lines for EVs could cost $6 to $20 billion, or about 10% to 40% of the current transmission system. While the authors say “additional infrastructure cost drives the electricity price up,” they hypothesize “the growth of total electricity consumption drives the rate down, which leads to a net impact of rate reduction according to our estimation.”

California appears poised to adopt household-income-based fixed fees for each electricity bill to pay for these transmission upgrades and other fixed baseline costs. Transmission upgrades are not only necessary for meeting increased energy consumption, but also for spreading fluctuating levels of renewable energy, as existing transmission lines were created to carry continuous but lower levels of energy from a power plant, not spiking and falling renewable energy. To that effort, the state is already undergoing a $6 billion transmission upgrade, $4.59 billion of which is going to three transmission lines that will carry energy from offshore wind farms in Humboldt County.

Sounds like they should invest that $$$ in better interests. That may be just enough to clean up the # covered streets and the millions upon millions of used needles laying around...it's not just a few cities. It's the whole godda%m state.

The more "green" Califronia goes..the less power they have for their grid...unless that 20billion is going to build coal fired plants or a nuclear reactor (which the CA dumbasses would never go for) this is just another huge waste of money for a state that is already deep in debt. I would never own an EV vehicle in a state that can't even keep the AC in the summer due to rolling blackouts for a weak infrastructure...CA is the posterchild for post industrialized failure.

An electrical contractor friend told me he is jammed with orders installing home generators. Booked out for almost a year and is turning away callers, referring them to other contractors (who are also all jammed with orders).

Meanwhile, our local utility is building a new substation connecting to Nevada's grid. They have no confidence in the future stability and capability of California's grid.

Meanwhile, California keeps insisting on all EVs, no gas powered small engines like lawnmowers, wants to eliminate home gas heating, with all California's power supply produced in-state and from renewables.

To accomplish this, the state is removing hydroelectric dams, the only nuclear power plant is going to be decommissioned, changed the net metering rules removing any economic incentive for home solar panels, and changed the state environmental laws to make it harder to build new powerplants of any type.

You can't make up anything more bizarre than what passes for reality in California.

a reply to: watchitburn

I sell whole-home generators so all these power grid failures keep us very busy.

Where I'm at, most people aren't into EV's, but dozens of new high end neighborhoods are going up and making the grid weaker. There's one area here in South Shreveport, I guess you COULD call it a 15 min city, that has homes nearly touching each other. These 1300 to 2400 sq ft homes range from $500,000 to over $1,000,000 and there are restaurants, a hospital, ER, Pediatrics, cigar bar, theater, etc. inside the neighborhood. There's an open courtyard in the middle of the neighborhood where all of the residents meet up for different events. It's straight out of the happy beginning of a horror movie. Having to follow code and HOA, it can be difficult to put these generators in the ideal locations. Most of the homes are only 6' to 8' apart.