There Are No Adult Leftists

originally posted by: ADVISOR

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ADVISOR

Leftists want a nanny-state, they want a police-state.

They want to be coddled.

"Alexis de Tocqueville introduced the idea of soft tyranny in his 1835 work titled Democracy in America. He described it as the individualist preference for equality and its pleasures, which requires the state – whether as a tyrant majority or a benevolent authority – to step in and adjudicate. In this regime, political leaders operate under a blanket of restrictions, and citizens influence policymaking through bureaucrats and non-governmental organizations. Unlike despotism or hard tyranny, where the government is composed of guardians with immense power, soft tyranny is characterized by being “absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild.” The state acts like a parent, run by “benevolent schoolmasters” who secure people’s needs but may inadvertently reduce their free agency and critical faculties. The danger lies in the satisfaction of material well-being, which can put individuals’ critical thinking to sleep and lead to cultural decline."
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No, leftists don't want that.

They want safety and stability of quality of life under the protection of fair and reasonable laws, and personal freedom in regard to things outside of the law.

The right-wing are the ones that want a 'powerful leader/government', strict rules and strict application of them, differentiation between the 'us-and-them's', and greed-and-acquisition as primary over compassion-and-individual-generosity.

That is odd, all these decades I was told the far right wants Less Government and more individual liberty.

That explains everything...

Don't heed the propaganda, instead look to history, and then compare the opposing views and what they say. Then take the over-view.

Right-wing politics

Parts of America (especially the politic and corporate) supported Nazism and Fascism in the 1940's. They did so, refraining from joining in to WW2, up until they were attacked by the Japanese (who also had alliance and an agenda that was far-right).

Even the "red scare" and McCarthyism is a dead giveaway that the USA has always been controlled by far-right politics, even while a couple of its Constitutional directives are downright leftist.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

Huh?

I think you have that backwards.

Just look at covid, brah.

The administration/Republican Party majority Federal government at the time was right-wing, was it not?

Yep and the local governments and state governments that shut things down and wanted things stayed down were leftists

No-one on either side of the government wanted things to stay shut down.

The difference was that the shut downs were supposed to achieve a curtailment of the spread of the disease, and one side of government was waiting for a result before opening things up again, while the other side of the government seemed to think the shutdowns were some sort of symbolic action, and they actively interfered, ridiculed, and opposed the shutdowns, when things didn't immediately change.

In the US, the shutdowns were un-coordinated, were actively transgressed by large numbers of people, and were a total waste because they were so 'leaky'.

In other countries, the shutdowns worked to reduce the spread and, in the case of New Zealand, three times totally eliminated the disease outbreaks in the general populace (and because they were effective, they were also of short duration).

The result of the poor performance of the US government of the time was that more than 1.5 million Americans have died from the disease, the US also spread it even to countries that were controlling it, and the subsequent overspend and therefore recession was inevitable. You can't really blame the leftists for the debacle. Those in power at the time, simply couldn't do the job, they were simply too infatuated in what the press was saying about them to notice.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

Huh?

I think you have that backwards.

Just look at covid, brah.

The administration/Republican Party majority Federal government at the time was right-wing, was it not?

Yep and the local governments and state governments that shut things down and wanted things stayed down were leftists

No-one on either side of the government wanted things to stay shut down.

That's a god damned lie.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

Huh?

I think you have that backwards.

Just look at covid, brah.

The administration/Republican Party majority Federal government at the time was right-wing, was it not?

Yep and the local governments and state governments that shut things down and wanted things stayed down were leftists

No-one on either side of the government wanted things to stay shut down.

That's a god damned lie.

LOL, you've swallowed the Kool-Aid. No county can sustain long periods of non-productivity.

In a metaphorical simile, with antibiotics, you don't stop taking the doses until the prescribed number of doses have all been used up, because the problem will likely come back if you stop too soon, before it has finished doing its stuff.

But you guys missed doses, didn't like the taste, and stopped way too soon.

And the problem never went away. A million and a half died.

a reply to: chr0naut

Thank you doctor police-state.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

Thank you doctor police-state.

In multiple reviews of degrees of freedom of countries, the USA is never at the top.

The USA is an over regulated and over prosecuted state.

If you look at incarceration rate by country, the USA is nearly number 1, and has been that way for years. In terms of per-capita number of those incarcerated, it is number 1. It is the archetypical exemplar of a modern police state.

List of countries by incarceration rate

a reply to: chr0naut

You're right.

Because of leftists.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

You're right.

Because of leftists.

Well, the illegal surveillances started with John Edgar Hoover. But he wasn't noted to be politically aligned with either party.

The massive uptick in incarcerations started during Reagan's Presidency, and coincided with the privatization of numerous prison facilities, the Iran-Contra affair, and the crack coc aine epidemic (that was part of the funding loop behind Iran-Contra). So, not leftist.

a reply to: chr0naut

Please spare me.

This isn't about political parties, this is about big government douche bags.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

Please spare me.

This isn't about political parties, this is about big government douche bags.

It clearly mentions leftists in the title of the OP.

The Deemocratic Party is mostly left aligned and the Reepublicans most right-aligned.

Sickening how many people are willing to piss their freedom away when they become offended & afraid. Spineless.

Bring on the collapse

a reply to: chr0naut

If you oppose the majority of citizens, you aren't a patriot.

That's BS! The majority of "the people" have been so brainwashed and spoiled to material greed and selfishness, they no longer even know what a Republic and Constitution is, and only believe in what their selfish desires pursue. A true patriot supports and defends the Republic and Constitution first and foremost.

You're talking "mob rule".


What about all of the minority's rights? According to you're standard, minorities have no rights.

Oh, so right. At least our refusal to accept that plan is all we have. AND Some Hopium virtual Beer!

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: bastion

Saying there have been no childish imbeciles anywhere is not accurate is it? Of course not. Being emotional is always bad. Ignoring bad behavior by those imbecile types is the way to the phrase "all it takes is for good men to do nothing" part of this story.

Everyone here has seen how quickly a few good men are erased by a few thousand childish imbeciles. History is being edited as we speak and eventually the narrative will be completely flipped to highlight sheisters as patriots and patriots as terrorists. All part of the plan.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

Please spare me.

This isn't about political parties, this is about big government douche bags.

It clearly mentions leftists in the title of the OP.

The Deemocratic Party is mostly left aligned and the Reepublicans most right-aligned.

It's almost always democrats trying to infringe.

Correct.

Even more ironic is you saying the right wingers are murdering people in our cities from the land down under. You would know the cities are Left wing filled until lately that is. Those cities are starting to call out the evil left.


a reply to: chr0naut

a reply to: Justoneman

Examples please?
I have pulled up many different causality events that don't seem to be politically motivated. Just personal conviction and perverted minds. That kinda rules out politically motivated incidents. A failed mind does not care about politics.

a reply to: budzprime69

I am not the one that said the Right wingers are murdering people lie.

originally posted by: charlest2
a reply to: chr0naut

If you oppose the majority of citizens, you aren't a patriot.

That's BS! The majority of "the people" have been so brainwashed and spoiled to material greed and selfishness, they no longer even know what a Republic and Constitution is, and only believe in what their selfish desires pursue. A true patriot supports and defends the Republic and Constitution first and foremost.

You're talking "mob rule".

What about all of the minority's rights? According to you're standard, minorities have no rights.

Rights do not disappear under democracy. All citizens are supposed to have equal rights - even minorities.

But this is not the case in the USA. Even now, in the USA, 1 in 8 African American men are denied the right to vote, for example.

All other countries in the G20 group except the USA, have adopted the the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This means that they all have basic human rights that US citizens do not!

What You Should Know About The U.S. And Human Rights

And as for being a republic, you are saying that as if it is a remarkable, unique, or even a good thing (they aren't, they are a dime a dozen and several have been, or are, very bad for their citizens). Check out a bit of detail and history of republics:

List of republics

Also, the US Constitution is full of the specific details of the processes of election, a democratic process that underlies the basis of the government, so if you want to call democracy 'mob rule' go ahead, but you would be wrong and using inflammatory and inaccurate language, as there is no mob. It is an organized, structured and deliberate process.

And someone who wants to usurp the Constitutionally mandated processes, as the 4th January protestors attempted, are not upholding the Constitution, and therefore are not patriots, even by your definition.

originally posted by: Justoneman
Even more ironic is you saying the right wingers are murdering people in our cities from the land down under. You would know the cities are Left wing filled until lately that is. Those cities are starting to call out the evil left.

a reply to: chr0naut

I was saying that right-wing motivated mass murderers were murdering people, but I wasn't just saying in cities. Even relatively quiet little towns have been afflicted by them.

Trump frequently accuses the far-left of inciting violence, yet right-wing extremists have killed 329 victims in the last 25 years, while antifa members haven't killed any, according to a new study

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: budzprime69

I am not the one that said the Right wingers are murdering people lie.

Then it should be easy for you to provide a link to details of a far-left mass murder in the USA, and prove your case.

There are hundreds of white supremacists/far-rightists committing murder, going back to the lynching's in the old west.