President BIDEN Vows to Make Americans Pay More Federal Taxes in 2025 - Political Suicide.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I suppose we all see what we want to see. Of the two options, I'll go for the option that has less wars, less lunacy, and more America.

I pointed out that his foreign policy was more calm.

But I don’t see how anything I noted about his fiscal policy was off.

He spent a lot. I know you don't want excuses, but the world shut down, and that wasn't in the manual. So at the very least, I get why it happened, regardless of if I agree with it. So you aren't wrong in what you say. But I saw the catalyst that drove the current inflation staring with the war on energy that Biden started. His spending also drove things to the current level.

I just think we are in a dangerous place with the open borders and THAT is exponentially more important than economic policy. You can't spend your money if you are on fire.

And yet Biden WILL continue to be the President of the US in 2025, Biden could resume groping little girls breasts on camera, resume sniffing the hair and cuddling the neck of random women, sucking on Jill's fingers at a podium in front of hundreds. None of that will stop his reelection, just as promising to raise taxes won't harm his reelection.

I have no doubt about that whatsoever.

Democrats will be gleefully voting for:
Higher taxes
Criminals getting more rights than victims
Punishment for people who engage in self defense
Homeless allowed to camp on any public property anywhere
Government forbidding anyone from making gas stoves, gas furnaces, gas lawn tools, gas cars; thus in the end forbidding people from purchasing them because they will eventually no longer exist
Increasing dependence on nations who chant "Death to America" for it's energy
Abortion legal for a healthy uterus owner carrying a healthy 9 month fetus with no reason given
Transgender women dominating women's sports
Mandatory punishment of women and girls with vaginas who complain about being locked in a prison cell with a woman with a penis, or in a gym locker room naked with women and girls with vaginas
Enforcement of a liberal judge's ruling that people with vaginas have no right to privacy from a penis, but women with a penis have a right to privacy from other penis bearing people.
Medically transitioning little children with what has now been proven to be drugs that cause lifetime fertility issues

Although Democrats will happily vote for all of the above policies, including higher taxes, I don't think they realize they are actually voting for the cabal controlling a senile old man who is their puppet.

Regardless, the press and social media will convince the US public that all of the above is necessary to further enact as they knew these were the policies of the Democrat Party when they voted.

Fear not Democrats, you will win, no matter what happens. The press will declare the election was free and fair and people will be punished for saying otherwise on social media.

No matter what the real vote happens to be, Democrats will "officially" win.

Right now D politicians are trying to get Trumps secret service protection taken from him, to make it easier to ensure that he won't live to election day 2024. This is the Democrat Party's latest open strategy for winning in 2024. www.usatoday.com...

Taking the attention away from Biden when he raises YOUR taxes during a time when many must choose between rent and food due to out of control inflation.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MetalThunder

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I suppose we all see what we want to see. Of the two options, I'll go for the option that has less wars, less lunacy, and more America.

All of a sudden debt and spending don’t matter.

and Biden's student debt payoffs and the unconstitutional spending to forgive it which adds to the national debt?
Does that matter?

That does matter, as you can see in one of my first comments I pointed out that’s buying votes.

The only difference between that and tax cuts (without reducing spending) for buying votes is forgiving student loans is far more selective in who benefits and pays. Which I will say is worse… but ultimately the two are playing the same game and neither have any sensible plan to better our situation.

Letting me keep more of what I earn through tax cuts...is certainly not the same as cancelling debt I voluntarily agreed to pay for services rendered.

Which I pointed out.

Though, again, not to sound like a broken record… keeping tax dollars while increasing spending is temporary. We all still pay.

But I’m starting to come to the conclusion people actions don’t care about economics, and the very real cause and effect of them.

At the end of the day this is just team sports. The actual rules don’t matter, nor do the outcomes as lone as “we” win.

the theory behind the tax cuts were that businsses would expand more due to paying less taxes, which would translate into more jobs and better jobs, which would increase the tax base on every day people, even if they were paying a little less percentage. I don't know if it's a sound policy, but it's an idea that may work, or may not. But doing nothing or doing the same will offer the same results, so a change is a good thing. IMHO.

And yet, this is a team sport, and when the D's make it a point to be diametraically opposed to the R's, and you agree with most of what the R's are claiming to be about, it's hard to try to entertain the ideas of the D party.

a reply to: network dude

The top parts you said are fair.

I just think we are in a dangerous place with the open borders and THAT is exponentially more important than economic policy. You can't spend your money if you are on fire.

I know people probably get tired with my nuanced arguments.

I don’t have one for the current border issue. That’s just a sh** storm.

a reply to: network dude

In theory I could see that kind of policy working. But publicly traded companies have a legal fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. At the end of the day their decisions have to prove it is a good strategy for shareholders, if it doesn’t, they’ll just take the money and run.

That said, I could see it keeping companies from going offshore, but I’m curious how it would all balance out in the end.

What I do know is we can track salaries which haven’t adjusted to inflation, and the price of goods have gone up. Many of these companies have posted record profits and rising stocks. So I’m skeptical that this policy works. I’d still humor seeing it play out as long as we cut spending and didn’t take this as debt to then be passed on to all tax payers.

Well, seems that no one here wants to commit to either raising taxes and increasing spending or corporate tax cuts and reducing debt as a solution.

I am curious as to what people here believe will work, at least from an economic point of view.

Reducing taxes across the board combined with less government control and interference sounds like a good start. Balancing the budget and paying off the national debt sure seems like a responsible move as well.

Is there a third party that has these goals? Libertarian perhaps?

Does any existing political party have the best chance (or any chance) of helping the U.S. become prosperous like it was during its economic "boom" eras?

Do we need a new party to get things back on track?

Edit to add: I have started to watch the movie "Idiocracy" again. The first time around it seemed like mostly a crude juvenile comedy with lame humor. I see it differently now. They laid out very well how it was going to happen, it almost seems prophetic. Watching the news broadcasts or a trip to Walmart pretty much confirms that we're at that point already.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

I know people probably get tired with my nuanced arguments.
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You're basically doing a lot of verbal acrobatics to say tax cuts are actually taxes.

But, with Biden you don't have to make all these rationalizations. You don't have to be a professor to figure it out. Biden wants to take YOUR money.

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The worst part of today's income tax is that I don't feel like I get my money's worth.
My grandparents paid higher rates back in the day, and the country got an interstate highway system, expanded the power grid, better telecom, and so on.
My taxes today support illegal aliens and fund foreign wars and some even goes to our enemies and terrorists organizations. I don't want to help pay for any of those things.

a reply to: 5thHead

You're basically doing a lot of verbal acrobatics to say tax cuts are actually taxes.

What I’ve said are the simplest principles of economics.

I don’t see how anything is acrobatics to say if you decrease revenue and increase spending (while already accruing debt with the current balance sheet).

If that concept is lost on some, I suggest they learn about simple economics before they attempt at self governance.

a reply to: texas thinker

Every part of the government I interact with is state and local.
-schools
-roads
-police and courts
-fire department

Yet most of my money goes to the federal government.

Curious.

originally posted by: texas thinker
The worst part of today's income tax is that I don't feel like I get my money's worth.
My grandparents paid higher rates back in the day, and the country got an interstate highway system, expanded the power grid, better telecom, and so on.
My taxes today support illegal aliens and fund foreign wars and some even goes to our enemies and terrorists organizations. I don't want to help pay for any of those things.

Bravo! I concur.

You think Thats bad!
They will Not let you run without Paying to leave!!
EXIT TAX.

"Thinking of moving? Your blue state may soon charge you an exit tax"
www.foxnews.com...
"Ready to pick up and move to another state? Well, you might have to think twice because broke blue states are coming up with a new, creative way to tax you when you cross the border: the EXIT TAX."

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

What I’ve said are the simplest principles of economics.

Well, sure. That's fine and great, but this thread is about Biden saying, flat out to your face, he wants to steel your money. Why derail and side track the conversation with economic thought experiments ?

I don’t see how anything is acrobatics to say if you decrease revenue and increase spending (while already accruing debt with the current balance sheet).

That's so much acrobatics that it's not even a complete thought. LOL. It's like you couldn't even rationalize it and your brain gave up. That's not a complete sentence.

If that concept is lost on some, I suggest they learn about simple economics before they attempt at self governance.

Yes. Democrats don't believe you should be in charge of your own life. They don't like that self governance stuff.

🥠

Not a surprise really.
People actually thought that the thousands of IRS agents recently hired were going to target the rich for their "fair share".

No no, they are going after Susan and her Etsy sales.

originally posted by: starvosan
I thought Biden was committing political suicide in that second debate with Trump back in 2020, when he promised an amnesty for the illegal aliens if he got into office. Fool me twice, won't get fooled again!

When you are shown how the DEMOCRAT election fraud organization is the strongest it's ever been, you could promise to start WWIII, and know that you'll still get enough votes, in the proper locations, to win the election.

a reply to: 5thHead

That's so much acrobatics that it's not even a complete thought. LOL. It's like you couldn't even rationalize it and your brain gave up. That's not a complete sentence.

Income> spending= good

Income< spending= bad

Hope that helps.

Edit:

Well, sure. That's fine and great, but this thread is about Biden saying, flat out to your face, he wants to steel your money. Why derail and side track the conversation with economic thought experiments ?

Yea, I didn’t see Trumps name or his policy listed at all in the OP.

So sorry.

originally posted by: ImagoDei
Why didn't Trump make the middle and lower class tax cuts permanent like he did the corporate tax cuts? Seems a little weird to be holding Biden accountable for something Trump didn't take the initiative on when he had the chance.

It was a budget thing. Even though the U.S. House was GOP-run, the CBO "scoring" of the bill projected too large of a budget deficit increase. GOP people like Paul Ryan were the leaders back then. There were no MAGA Republicans yet. Not increasing the deficit, was much more important than keeping the little people (working people) happy directly. Instead, the employers were given the permanent tax reductions, because employers plan for YEARS in advance.

originally posted by: 727Sky
Well the good news is that POS will just be a bad memory come 2025 !

Biden is still spitting out oppressive rules and regulations, like he's not going anywhere.

a reply to: crayzeed

Do you think Biden doing a "scorched earth" retreat while intentionally committing political suicide?

a reply to: WeMustCare

TRUMP WILL WON