Hate makes for strange bedfellows

a reply to: network dude

Hate makes for strange bedfellows indeed.

Both the jew haters and the Christian Zionists would be satisfied if Israel were to be overrun with invaders.

One for obvious reasons and the other because it validates their religious beliefs unable to admit to themselves that self fulfilling prophecy isn't really prophecy.


What's happening here does have a blueprint, yes but it's clear as day for all to see that it's 100% satanic in nature.

Religions belong to a specific age of the zodiac and we are entering a new age.

Realize that many defunct religions went through their end of days chapter and are now confined to scholarly curiosity but mostly relegated to the trash pile of most of our history.

History reads like a sanitized paper because that's what it is. It is being written by one side only because they control the MSM globally.

We are all being culled and if it's not happening in your part of the woods yet look around you and see how the perfect storm is gathering all around you.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

They never really changed. They're still the party of the KKK and the party that voted against women's suffrage.

They have changed. They have decided to seek coalitions with the people they used to hate. They may have deliberately set out to infect the groups they hated with the notion that every group deserves a certain amount of success apportioned to it.

A few haters may have switched sides and gone Republican. They may hope the people they hate get less with a level playing field than with success apportioned to them by race.

originally posted by: 19Bones79


My question to you, Network Dude, is this:


Have you instinctively picked a side without considering the moral dilemma that that creates?

I know you can write a more nuanced take than this and quite frankly I'm disappointed how many people on here have become one dimensional mouthpieces aiding in escalating the threat to us all. WW3.


Many have tried to warn the Zionists that escalation with Gaza will lead to untold death and destruction in Israel and yet they seem not to care or believe it.

And then there are others that believe this is all part of their 'God of love' s plan to usher in his return.


I'm deeply worried about all of our childrens future and the idiots spanning over all living generations cheering on this mad ride towards annihilation.

Look at all the brutal carnage visited to people all over the world and tell me TPTB wouldn't dare do it to Americans because you are special.

OK, I can accept that I may be wrong, but I'll need you to show me.

My feelings, my belief is that lumping an entire group of people into a basket and calling them all (whatever) is as dumb as it has always been. So to say "all Jews, or all Blacks, or all Asians" are anything is idiotic. Everyone is an individual, everyone has their own thoughts and beliefs, and everyone has their own dreams for the future.

That being said, The current war in Israel is happening because HAMAS invaded Israel and did some barbaric sh!t. Knowing that to be absolute fact, what should have been done? I have asked this of many, and never gotten an solid answer, so you now have the floor. What steps should have been taked after October 7th?

originally posted by: malte86

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: budzprime69

The OP is about the radical left championing the cause of the NAZI's. Yes, Trump is mean and orange, and he has a lovely 2 bedroom flat in your head. But that doesn't have anything at all to do with the OP. Perhaps when your buzz wears off, you can make a thread on how mean and orange Trump is.

Then i misinterpreted the OP too! You know, when someone here on ATS says "He" it traditionally either means Trump or Biden. Or Jesus of course.

could you quote the part that has you confused please? It's 3 short paragraphs.

a reply to: network dude

My feelings, my belief is that lumping an entire group of people into a basket and calling them all (whatever) is as dumb as it has always been.

I agree 100%.

That being said, The current war in Israel is happening because HAMAS invaded Israel and did some barbaric sh!t. Knowing that to be absolute fact

I mean if you're new to the whole Israel/Palestine drama you'd be forgiven for thinking that all of this is because of what happened on Oct 7th of last year.


Or you'd have to lump an entire group of Jews into a basket thinking they support this genocide which in your own words would be as dumb as it has always been.


Even if you disagree with me on the above, you can agree that anything that creates more of an existential threat to Israelis is bad, right?


Brutally annihilating 30k woman and children?


That's not something you simply walk away from.

And I can guarantee you it's not Bibi who's going to pay for it.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
this genocide

It's factually not a genocide. As long as you continue to use Hamas propaganda rhetoric, no one is gonna listen to you, even if you do make a good point.

originally posted by: 19Bones79

Brutally annihilating 30k woman and children?

The civilian casualty rate is actually much lower than what the UN says is normal in war. Of course civilian deaths are tragic, but the notion that Israel is targeting civilians or being unnecessarily brutal is simply unsupported. The facts demonstrate the exact opposite. Israel is going out of their way to limit civilian casualties and has been pretty successful at that.

"But 30,000!!!" with no context means nothing. The context is in the link above. With it, the Hamas rhetoric falls apart.

Will you accept reality so a rational discussion can happen or continue to push terrorist propaganda?

a reply to: 19Bones79

Not sure if you have noticed, but I'm against war, against killing people, and against death for ignorant reasons in general. Now I doubt any numbers from any side can be trusted but if you want to believe in something, you do you.

But again, what should have been done?

And for the bonus, does HAMAS use humnas as shields so they can make public opinion sway their way? (and sure Israel does the same, but currently, the war is taking place in GAZA, which isn't the same as Israel.

I look forward to hearing what should have happened.

a reply to: network dude

But again, what should have been done?

Israel is systematically wiping out thousands of women and children and people are asking stupid questions like this...

I agree with you on a lot of things as you know ND, but if this is the stance you're taking what's the point of discussing it any further?

Gaza right now is an open air prison and their murdering innocents like shooting fish in a barrel.

If we ok that for Palestinians, one day they will come for us and nobody will say a damn thing.

The world watched as entire generations of Ukrainians got wiped from the face of the earth too...

Who's next I wonder.

It won't stop.

a reply to: 19Bones79

The cycle of violence, very hard to break once you got whole generations scared by it.

Walking away almost always works...

When it comes to civilian casualties my guestimate is Putin being a saint and bibi a butcher...

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: network dude

But again, what should have been done?

Israel is systematically wiping out thousands of women and children and people are asking stupid questions like this...

I agree with you on a lot of things as you know ND, but if this is the stance you're taking what's the point of discussing it any further?

Gaza right now is an open air prison and their murdering innocents like shooting fish in a barrel.

If we ok that for Palestinians, one day they will come for us and nobody will say a damn thing.

The world watched as entire generations of Ukrainians got wiped from the face of the earth too...

Who's next I wonder.

It won't stop.

I suppose if you can't answer, you can't answer. But to be one sided in this is missing the larger point. Something happened to start the current conflict. And what happened was meant to cause EXACTLY THIS conflict. HAMAS went into Israel with the intent to kill and rape and kidnap Israelis. They did so knowing the attack would start a war. Now why would they do that, knowing it would start a war and that war would be in GAZA?

So to me, asking what Israel should have done instead of fighting the war the aggressors wanted, is a very valid question, and one that those who are criticizing Israel for should have an answer to.

a reply to: network dude

I suppose if you can't answer, you can't answer.

Take your willful ignorance to your grave.

So to me, asking what Israel should have done instead of fighting the war the aggressors wanted, is a very valid question,

They knew!

They knew and they allowed it to happen!

Just like with 9/11 except this time the Israelis were dancing BEFORE the slaughter.


It's been proven they knew.

It's been proven that the mass rapes and beheadings was bull# fabricated to stoke the fires of outrage.


And it worked like a charm, didn't it?



Here's a question for you.


What does the US get in return from being Israel's (a #hole sandpit with murderous inhabitants)



GREATEST ALLY?


Just name one benefit.

a reply to: 19Bones79

And if it was totally allowed to happen, like pearl Harbor, or 9-11, does that change the part where over a thousand people were killed, raped, and kidnapped? Because from where I sit, it still happened. And if the goal was to start a war, well done, it happened.

So is your position that Israel paid or forced HAMAS to attack them? Because that woudl be the only way you could excuse what happened.

I don't give a rats ass about the US relationship with Israel, how much toe sucking goes on, or any other geo-poliitcal fatnasy you want to rant about.

On October 7th HAMAS attacked Israel. You are angry Israel didn't take a knee and sit back waiting for the next one. And you aren't capable of articulating why or what should have been done. Only that you don't like the results. Thats weak sauce and you should be well above simple minded rhetoric like that. You are a valid poster here with a track record of well reasoned thought. Rather than attack me for what I think and believe, explain what I got wrong, explain what Israel got wrong in their response. Step up or sit your ass down. Respectfully.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: network dude

But again, what should have been done?

Israel is systematically wiping out thousands of women and children and people are asking stupid questions like this...

I agree with you on a lot of things as you know ND, but if this is the stance you're taking what's the point of discussing it any further?

Gaza right now is an open air prison and their murdering innocents like shooting fish in a barrel.

If we ok that for Palestinians, one day they will come for us and nobody will say a damn thing.

The world watched as entire generations of Ukrainians got wiped from the face of the earth too...

Who's next I wonder.

It won't stop.

I suppose if you can't answer, you can't answer. But to be one sided in this is missing the larger point. Something happened to start the current conflict. And what happened was meant to cause EXACTLY THIS conflict. HAMAS went into Israel with the intent to kill and rape and kidnap Israelis. They did so knowing the attack would start a war. Now why would they do that, knowing it would start a war and that war would be in GAZA?

So to me, asking what Israel should have done instead of fighting the war the aggressors wanted, is a very valid question, and one that those who are criticizing Israel for should have an answer to.

I give you credit for trying to pin them down, but we know what the Hamas supporters think Israel should've done: nothing.

They prefer Israel allow as many Oct 7s as possible.

They want as many dead Jews as they can get, just like Hamas. That's why they support Hamas.

a reply to: network dude

Let me preface this link to an Haaretz article by saying this:


I wouldn't be surprised if there were instances of rape. It usually happens where soldiers are involved.

Just ask the US military.

And I condemn Hamas for every single innocent person they not only murdered, but also raped.

Just like the US military.

But mass rape and pregnant women being cut open?

Bull#!


This is a long article, take your time and notice that in this day and age there are zero photographic evidence.

Not by the party goers.

Not by the forensic teams or paramedics or police.

Nada.

Zip.

Also note the amount of fake news published in this regard in the aftermath of Oct 7.

link to Haaretz article

a reply to: 19Bones79

I mean everyone with a working braincell left can smell the propaganda all over this topic... I guess people are just working overtime to get their credibility chipped away... Nobody but those thoroughly absorbed by their murderous litigious religious ideologies falls for the war propaganda anymore.

I really wonder if they are that dumb or just very well paid... I kind of hope for the latter as i would be less disappointed with humanity...

Money hungry people do all sorts of despicable things, at least they're intelligent enough to do it for money and not so dumb they'd do it for free

a reply to: 19Bones79



informed or blissfully ignorant, you choose.


eta:
and to be clear, what you are doing here is no different than saying you are lying, but never providing any proof of that lie. Is there propoganda all around on this? Hell yes, most of it is. But the simple facts that can't be changed exist. HAMAS attacked Israel on October 7th. Not the other way around. FACT. You don't like the response. FACT. You have been asked what response you would prefer. You cannot give that answer. again FACT. Complain all you like, but if you have no solution to offer, it's just whiney bitching. If you can offer a legitimate answer as to what should have taken place, then at the very least, you will be offereing an alternative that could be used to pressure future atrocities to be dealt with in a more humane way. Just point out what that humane way is. Or admit you got nothing.

a reply to: network dude

That video should be shown at every college graduation coming up.

Anyone who tries to disrupt it gets expelled and doesn't graduate.

Can't be done though, since most of the college administrators are on Hamas's side and approve of the antisemitic protests.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: 19Bones79

I mean everyone with a working braincell left can smell the propaganda all over this topic... I guess people are just working overtime to get their credibility chipped away... Nobody but those thoroughly absorbed by their murderous litigious religious ideologies falls for the war propaganda anymore.

I really wonder if they are that dumb or just very well paid... I kind of hope for the latter as i would be less disappointed with humanity...

Money hungry people do all sorts of despicable things, at least they're intelligent enough to do it for money and not so dumb they'd do it for free

how much do you get paid?

a reply to: network dude

Here's an idea for the narrow minded that take sides for free.

Go back to the boarder Israel has been given by the global power players and were accepted when they declared their independence.
pay retribution to all families that have been disowned during nekba...

That would show that this infant nation accepts it's past errors and much more... but alas, as of now they seem right where they belong amongst the murderous religiously deluded.

a reply to: Terpene

So you don't want to give us the number. Noted.