Girl 11, Barred From Starting a Faith Club but Classmates are Allowed Pride Group

originally posted by: Annee

Separation of church and state has nothing to do with LGBTQ+.

Denying a religious group — has nothing to do with LGBTQ+.

And yet it’s being g preached.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Annee

Separation of church and state has nothing to do with LGBTQ+.

Denying a religious group — has nothing to do with LGBTQ+.

And yet it’s being g preached.

How many LGBTQ+ people/posters on ATS do you see bringing any of this up?

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: quintessentone

The solution to this issue would be that students need their parents approval whether or not to take out the book from the library. Easy Peasy.

One. Who would create the list of books needing parents permission?

Two. Why have books that violate “speech” ethics among adults at a school board meeting, or would violate school email policies if a paragraph of the book was emailed to anther teacher. For CHILDREN

Three. Why are these sexually explicit books becoming more prevalent as the pride movement is growing. Is it being hijacked by a bunch of perverts? If the boys scouts were bad, wonder what lawsuits will developed in ten or twenty over groups that pushed sexually explicit material in schools?

It's up to parents to decide which materials their children or young adults in schools are mature enough to view and understand. All anyone needs to do is ask the school librarian for a list of the books that are on the restricted or parental approval list. This book you cited, which was written for adults specifically, has one sexually explicit picture in it and another sexual passage, whereas the majority of content is not of a sexual nature.

Anyway, we are off topic.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: Annee
What does a Pride club have to do with religion?

Every time this comes up — it’s:

“But they have a Pride club”

What does a Pride club have to do with school ?

You mean where children learn?

So why not include a club to learn about all religions? See how YOUR prejudice is showing?
You are just anti-religion , pro Pride club , admit it.

Here’s an idea.

Let all the churches start an LGBTQ+ support group in their facility.

You are doing everything possible to avoid saying why the schools should not be including interfaith clubs.

There are many parents against religion in schools.

They will complain to the American Atheists. American Atheists will file a lawsuit.

Some schools have eliminated all clubs. Some have allowed Satanist clubs to keep the Christian clubs.

Equality or nothing.

There are also many parents against LGBQ in schools , and they complained at school board meetings, and then were subsequently called 'domestic terrorists' by Biden himself.
I also recall you saying your kids were trans or LGBTQ , they will come around eventually and blame you . Mark my words.

Separation of church and state has nothing to do with LGBTQ+.

Denying a religious group — has nothing to do with LGBTQ+.

But yet, you want churches to adopt LGBTQ?

a reply to: Annee

But again — you can’t have a religious group — so attack the LGBTQ+ group?

Just pointing out that to many adults and parents - if not most of them - allowing LGBTQ+ group activities for 11 years old who know very little about such matters - unless forced upon them - whilst barring an interfaith group that promotes tolerance and understanding seems pretty bizarre.

“Religious group denied — BUT they allow an LGBTQ+ group”.

Yes, your problem?
Why is one treated different to the other?

I know you are not a religious person - neither am I - but a lot of people are.
Why is promoting interfaith communication and understanding such a bad thing for 11 year olds whilst promoting LGBTQ+ values for them such a good thing?

Please, some sort of reasoned explanation may be enlightening.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Annee

Separation of church and state has nothing to do with LGBTQ+.

Denying a religious group — has nothing to do with LGBTQ+.

And yet it’s being g preached.

How many LGBTQ+ people/posters on ATS do you see bringing any of this up?

They've all been chased away.

I think everyone might disagree with this.

Don't ever go to our pride parade. Too many Churches take part and hand out rainbow bracelets with biblical citations on them.

But that's not the issue. The issue is protected classes and the 1st amendment in schools.

The Ones most relevant to school kids of the 10 classes typically defined by Federal Law books.

Sex (including LGBT)
Race
Color
National origin
Religion

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act prohibits an employer from treating you differently, or less favorably, because of your sex, which is defined to include pregnancy, sexual orientation, and gender identity.

And now the all important wording:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

SCOTUS ruled you don't lose constitutional privilege at the gates.

I just put that all together.

The LGBT club is allowed.

And the religious one is okay, so long as it doesn't invoke tenets of a specific religion, or specific religious tone. It must be like my religious studies classes at a public university (minor). They must not exalt any one religion, or tenets thereof.

So they could get together to discuss the topic of religion, and this is where people are going to have a problem, because it uses (even shared) morality as a sort of community action group. It legally becomes like a Salvation Army situation. Led by faith, regardless of how secular.

Because as said, the Satanist might to go the more gratifying troll route, and the selfish tenets of Satanism or hedonism, or LHP in general aren't being upheld. Only the ones that agree on moral community service.

I feel if it's a religious themed service group, as wonderful as that is, being based on religion over just community service gets it the axe. Honestly, the group can only be an all inclusive religion group that has events. If they just talk about different religions and play games it's okay, but once it's religion + community service, it changes.

And here's where it gets ever more disagreeable for many, LGBT is not considered a religion. It's under the Sex category of protected classes, even being laced with moral ideologies that tread in religious waters.

LGBT and Wokism has to become an established religious doctrine beyond "If you can see it, be it". As of now, shared beliefs are no more a religion than secular humanism is.

The line is near the moment of silence we had when i was a kid. Where you can pray or not.

That seems messed up but it has to be a subcategory of religion before it can be restricted like an inter-faith service group.

originally posted by: Degradation33

The LGBT club is allowed.

And the religious one is okay, so long as it doesn't invoke tenets of a specific religion, or specific religious tone. It must be like my religious studies classes at a public university (minor). They must not exalt any one religion, or tenets thereof.

Correct. It is about equal rights.

In some other lawsuits where kids/parents wanted an LGBTQ+ club -- some schools eliminated all clubs rather than have an LGBTQ+ club.

If they were allowed a Christian club -- they had to also allow a Satanist/Atheist club. And some schools did.

Satanist/Atheist would not be part of any other interfaith group.

And let's be clear on Satanism. The Church of Satan is not about Satanism. However, there are some very spiritual Satanist who believe God made the wrong choice.

I am not going to discuss Satanism or atheism further.

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: Annee
What does a Pride club have to do with religion?

Every time this comes up — it’s:

“But they have a Pride club”

What does a Pride club have to do with school ?

You mean where children learn?

So why not include a club to learn about all religions? See how YOUR prejudice is showing?
You are just anti-religion , pro Pride club , admit it.

Here’s an idea.

Let all the churches start an LGBTQ+ support group in their facility.

You are doing everything possible to avoid saying why the schools should not be including interfaith clubs.

There are many parents against religion in schools.

They will complain to the American Atheists. American Atheists will file a lawsuit.

Some schools have eliminated all clubs. Some have allowed Satanist clubs to keep the Christian clubs.

Equality or nothing.

There are also many parents against LGBQ in schools , and they complained at school board meetings, and then were subsequently called 'domestic terrorists' by Biden himself.
I also recall you saying your kids were trans or LGBTQ , they will come around eventually and blame you . Mark my words.

Separation of church and state has nothing to do with LGBTQ+.

Denying a religious group — has nothing to do with LGBTQ+.

But yet, you want churches to adopt LGBTQ?

Oh, did I forget the s/

However, I would only go to a church that did.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: quintessentone

You asked - "Where is there any mention of community service?"
So I showed you.

Yes, now I am commenting on why the request was denied as per the lawyer's letter to the school representatives.

Maybe. But I’ve followed many of these.

The typical “you can get away with something til someone complains”.

Many parents today do not want religion in public schools. Even just a club.

It does open the door to equal rights and establishing an atheist or satanic club.

So what?

Let someone establish one or both of those groups if they want to.

As long as the Interfaith group can also be established.

I'm not sure what your problem is with this?

You're a hot mess flailing around trying to defend the schools actions.

What's up with that?

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: quintessentone

You asked - "Where is there any mention of community service?"
So I showed you.

Yes, now I am commenting on why the request was denied as per the lawyer's letter to the school representatives.

Maybe. But I’ve followed many of these.

The typical “you can get away with something til someone complains”.

Many parents today do not want religion in public schools. Even just a club.

It does open the door to equal rights and establishing an atheist or satanic club.

You're a hot mess flailing around trying to defend the schools actions.

What's up with that?

Flailing????

Is that a "feelz"?

a reply to: Annee

Has this school rejected a request from students to form an after school Satan club?

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Annee

Has this school rejected a request from students to form an after school Satan club?

I have no idea.

But due to lawsuits other schools who wanted a religious club could only have them if they also allowed a Satan/Atheist club.

Just the facts.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Annee

Has this school rejected a request from students to form an after school Satan club?

I have no idea.

But due to lawsuits other schools who wanted a religious club could only have them if they also allowed a Satan/Atheist club.

Just the facts.

Then, what does "Satan" clubs have to do with this school prejudice issue? 😃

What facts?

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Annee

Has this school rejected a request from students to form an after school Satan club?

I have no idea.

But due to lawsuits other schools who wanted a religious club could only have them if they also allowed a Satan/Atheist club.

Just the facts.

Then, what does "Satan" clubs have to do with this school prejudice issue? 😃

What facts?

It's been repeated on this thread.

Equal Rights.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Annee

Has this school rejected a request from students to form an after school Satan club?

I have no idea.

But due to lawsuits other schools who wanted a religious club could only have them if they also allowed a Satan/Atheist club.

Just the facts.

Then, what does "Satan" clubs have to do with this school prejudice issue? 😃

What facts?

It's been repeated on this thread.

Equal Rights.

Where did the school publish they would deny a Satan club?

The conversation here has been scattered and deflective at best.

Your "Hypotheticals" are usually never facts.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Annee

Has this school rejected a request from students to form an after school Satan club?

I have no idea.

But due to lawsuits other schools who wanted a religious club could only have them if they also allowed a Satan/Atheist club.

Just the facts.

Then, what does "Satan" clubs have to do with this school prejudice issue? 😃

What facts?

It's been repeated on this thread.

Equal Rights.

Where did the school publish they would deny a Satan club?

The conversation here has been scattered and deflective at best.

Your "Hypotheticals" are usually never facts.

Don't waste my time.

I did not say this school denied a Satan's club.

I referred to other schools. However, the same lawsuits would apply.

How ‘After School Satan Club’ Is Shaking Things Up

A Memphis school says it can’t bar a club sponsored by The Satanic Temple, which has been stirring fury with First Amendment challenges and public displays, including one in Iowa that was vandalized.

“Hey Kids!” it read against a backdrop of colored pencils. “Let’s Have Fun at After School Satan Club.”

The club was organized by The Satanic Temple, a group that has gained widespread media attention and infuriated conservative Christians in recent years by sponsoring similar student clubs in other school districts, filing challenges to state abortion limits in Indiana and Texas, and placing pentagrams and other symbols alongside Christmas displays in statehouses. www.nytimes.com...

a reply to: Annee

So your saying the school in question here will be sued?

Why didn't you say so without arguing?

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Annee

So your saying the school in question here will be sued?

Why didn't you say so without arguing?

Nope.

Your words not mine.

Religion is a bedrock disaster for the plague makers. They already have dominos set in the NWO Baháʼí Faith. Bab, descendant of the prophet muhammed, started thiis faith but was executed, carried on by Baháʼu'lláh who accepted Bab's claim. I reckon this NWO faith is hoped for when the USA loses its grip on the world. I say NWO because the faith tries to unify all major religions.

""The Baháʼí Faith[a] is a religion founded in the 19th century that teaches the essential worth of all religions and the unity of all people.[c] Established by Baháʼu'lláh, it initially developed in Qajar Iran and parts of the Middle East, where it has faced ongoing persecution since its inception.[15] The religion is estimated to have 5 to 8 million adherents, known as Baháʼís, spread throughout most of the world's countries and territories.""

""Baháʼu'lláh wrote of the need for world government in this age of humanity's collective life. Because of this emphasis the international Baháʼí community has chosen to support efforts of improving international relations through organizations such as the League of Nations and the United Nations, with some reservations about the present structure and constitution of the UN.[165] The Baháʼí International Community is an agency under the direction of the Universal House of Justice in Haifa, and has consultative status with the following organizations:[166][167]

United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF)
United Nations Development Fund for Women (UNIFEM)
United Nations Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC)
United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP)
World Health Organization (WHO)
The Baháʼí International Community has offices at the United Nations in New York and Geneva and representations to United Nations regional commissions and other offices in Addis Ababa, Bangkok, Nairobi, Rome, Santiago, and Vienna.[167

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They can create fear through authority to surpress feelings that upset their dominos by making said dominos come back to fall on the teachers.

Any speaker who speaks in favour of their ideals gets the spotlight. Hence mention of the UN etc.