Girl 11, Barred From Starting a Faith Club but Classmates are Allowed Pride Group

a reply to: quintessentone

They could just publish a Public Notice and make sure there's actually Members in that school. 😀

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: quintessentone

They could just publish a Public Notice and make sure there's actually Members in that school. 😀

C'mon now, how many kids would convert to worship a flying spaghetti monster?

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee
I’ve been following these type cases for awhile.

The school lawyer should require this mother/daughter to send a personal invitation to the Church of Satan to open an afterschool club — so then they can have their interfaith group.

It’s only fair.

What law sets that precedent? 😬

I’ve previously provided you with an actual case.

I don’t feel the need to list multiple cases of which there are.

Read the case I provided you and you will have your answer.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee
I’ve been following these type cases for awhile.

The school lawyer should require this mother/daughter to send a personal invitation to the Church of Satan to open an afterschool club — so then they can have their interfaith group.

It’s only fair.

Indeed, as well as all the other religions, especially Pastafarian...

Pastafarians are worshipers of the flying spaghetti monster. Their only dogma is that they have no dogma. The alternative religion began after the church's founder, Bobby Henderson, wrote an open letter to a school board in Kansas that had decided to teach other theories of creation alongside evolution. He argued that if they taught established religious alternatives, they should also teach Pastafarianism.

www.readersdigest.co.uk...

Imagine praying to a flying spaghetti monster?

Yes.

The “Nones” are increasing in number.

It only takes one parent to object on sighting Separation of Church and state.

In my personal followings on this subject — the American Atheists brought suit from letters received from parents.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee
I’ve been following these type cases for awhile.

The school lawyer should require this mother/daughter to send a personal invitation to the Church of Satan to open an afterschool club — so then they can have their interfaith group.

It’s only fair.

Indeed, as well as all the other religions, especially Pastafarian...

Pastafarians are worshipers of the flying spaghetti monster. Their only dogma is that they have no dogma. The alternative religion began after the church's founder, Bobby Henderson, wrote an open letter to a school board in Kansas that had decided to teach other theories of creation alongside evolution. He argued that if they taught established religious alternatives, they should also teach Pastafarianism.

www.readersdigest.co.uk...

Imagine praying to a flying spaghetti monster?

Yes.

The “Nones” are increasing in number.

It only takes one parent to object on sighting Separation of Church and state.

In my personal followings on this subject — the American Atheists brought suit from letters received from parents.

Of course, this whole endeavour was doomed from the start when separation of religion and state in a school environment exist. This law suit, if pushed forward, will be a waste of everyone's time, energy and resources.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee
What does a Pride club have to do with religion?

Every time this comes up — it’s:

“But they have a Pride club”

Has the LGBT movement become more of a religion?

What do you think?

What is their doctrine?

LGBT ideology

And that would be what?

LGBTQ* — would be individual people — with individual thoughts — interests — careers— likes — dislikes — etc.

Their ideological approach to homosexuality and 'transgenderism'

This is not a belief.

If there’s an ideology — it’s protection — safety — understanding — of “people of the fringe”.

People “polite society” — shoved to the fringes and who thrived in spite of it — creating their own safe places.

It was only 21 years ago that homosexuality was no longer illegal. Something an LGBTQ+ person could be imprisoned for.

It's not illegal to be homosexual or trans.
I am talking about the ideology pushed in schools and universities on homosexuality and transgenderism.

Not today -- but it used to be.

LGBTQ+ -- are not an ideology. They are individual people. That apparently don't fit YOUR norm. But they fit theirs,

People expressing who they are -- is that what you object to?

Funny no one mentions the musclebound straight guy in a tight tee or a straight girl in her mini-skirts and crop top flaunting their sexuality.

We aren't talking about norms but the type of ideology emerged in schools and universities or even the workplaces.

Who's "we"?

You mean people being who they are?

That they aren't going to be arrested?

I said we are not talking about norms and meant posters on this thread.

I am also a poster on this thread. Do you mean posters that agree with you?

There is an ideology and nobody can deny it.

In schools and universities and even in the workplace where you need to follow the unreasonable rules imposed in the last few years.

No, it is not an ideology.

I'd actually call it more of a birthright -- who you were born to be -- and finally old staid conservative restrictions -- are being "washed away".

I had a mild Christian upbringing -- and still there was the sexual taboo. I feel for those who have to completely re-invent a new life.

Yes, posters who agree with me.

Are you saying there is no LGBTQ+ ideology?!

Explain to me the ideology of non-LGBTQ+.

I ve asked you if you think LGBTQ+ hasn't developed to an ideology. Yes or No?

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee
What does a Pride club have to do with religion?

Every time this comes up — it’s:

“But they have a Pride club”

Has the LGBT movement become more of a religion?

What do you think?

What is their doctrine?

LGBT ideology

And that would be what?

LGBTQ* — would be individual people — with individual thoughts — interests — careers— likes — dislikes — etc.

Their ideological approach to homosexuality and 'transgenderism'

This is not a belief.

If there’s an ideology — it’s protection — safety — understanding — of “people of the fringe”.

People “polite society” — shoved to the fringes and who thrived in spite of it — creating their own safe places.

It was only 21 years ago that homosexuality was no longer illegal. Something an LGBTQ+ person could be imprisoned for.

It's not illegal to be homosexual or trans.
I am talking about the ideology pushed in schools and universities on homosexuality and transgenderism.

Not today -- but it used to be.

LGBTQ+ -- are not an ideology. They are individual people. That apparently don't fit YOUR norm. But they fit theirs,

People expressing who they are -- is that what you object to?

Funny no one mentions the musclebound straight guy in a tight tee or a straight girl in her mini-skirts and crop top flaunting their sexuality.

We aren't talking about norms but the type of ideology emerged in schools and universities or even the workplaces.

Who's "we"?

You mean people being who they are?

That they aren't going to be arrested?

I said we are not talking about norms and meant posters on this thread.

I am also a poster on this thread. Do you mean posters that agree with you?

There is an ideology and nobody can deny it.

In schools and universities and even in the workplace where you need to follow the unreasonable rules imposed in the last few years.

No, it is not an ideology.

I'd actually call it more of a birthright -- who you were born to be -- and finally old staid conservative restrictions -- are being "washed away".

I had a mild Christian upbringing -- and still there was the sexual taboo. I feel for those who have to completely re-invent a new life.

Yes, posters who agree with me.

Are you saying there is no LGBTQ+ ideology?!

Explain to me the ideology of non-LGBTQ+.

I ve asked you if you think LGBTQ+ hasn't developed to an ideology. Yes or No?

It’s a derogatory terminology created by the Rught.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee
What does a Pride club have to do with religion?

Every time this comes up — it’s:

“But they have a Pride club”

Has the LGBT movement become more of a religion?

What do you think?

What is their doctrine?

LGBT ideology

And that would be what?

LGBTQ* — would be individual people — with individual thoughts — interests — careers— likes — dislikes — etc.

Their ideological approach to homosexuality and 'transgenderism'

This is not a belief.

If there’s an ideology — it’s protection — safety — understanding — of “people of the fringe”.

People “polite society” — shoved to the fringes and who thrived in spite of it — creating their own safe places.

It was only 21 years ago that homosexuality was no longer illegal. Something an LGBTQ+ person could be imprisoned for.

It's not illegal to be homosexual or trans.
I am talking about the ideology pushed in schools and universities on homosexuality and transgenderism.

Not today -- but it used to be.

LGBTQ+ -- are not an ideology. They are individual people. That apparently don't fit YOUR norm. But they fit theirs,

People expressing who they are -- is that what you object to?

Funny no one mentions the musclebound straight guy in a tight tee or a straight girl in her mini-skirts and crop top flaunting their sexuality.

We aren't talking about norms but the type of ideology emerged in schools and universities or even the workplaces.

Who's "we"?

You mean people being who they are?

That they aren't going to be arrested?

I said we are not talking about norms and meant posters on this thread.

I am also a poster on this thread. Do you mean posters that agree with you?

There is an ideology and nobody can deny it.

In schools and universities and even in the workplace where you need to follow the unreasonable rules imposed in the last few years.

No, it is not an ideology.

I'd actually call it more of a birthright -- who you were born to be -- and finally old staid conservative restrictions -- are being "washed away".

I had a mild Christian upbringing -- and still there was the sexual taboo. I feel for those who have to completely re-invent a new life.

Yes, posters who agree with me.

Are you saying there is no LGBTQ+ ideology?!

Explain to me the ideology of non-LGBTQ+.

I ve asked you if you think LGBTQ+ hasn't developed to an ideology. Yes or No?

It’s a derogatory terminology created by the Rught.

The only type of ideology I can see is that of a human rights, equality and belonging within society.

a reply to: Annee

I would expect that he'll be evolving continuously for a long time. As he should be really.

And I can only imagine the kind of watercooler talk you experienced. My SO likes to go clubbing at a popular gay club in Omaha for her birthday every year and I've gone with her many many times. Always a blast. the LGBT community know how to party.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee
What does a Pride club have to do with religion?

Every time this comes up — it’s:

“But they have a Pride club”

Has the LGBT movement become more of a religion?

What do you think?

What is their doctrine?

LGBT ideology

And that would be what?

LGBTQ* — would be individual people — with individual thoughts — interests — careers— likes — dislikes — etc.

Their ideological approach to homosexuality and 'transgenderism'

This is not a belief.

If there’s an ideology — it’s protection — safety — understanding — of “people of the fringe”.

People “polite society” — shoved to the fringes and who thrived in spite of it — creating their own safe places.

It was only 21 years ago that homosexuality was no longer illegal. Something an LGBTQ+ person could be imprisoned for.

It's not illegal to be homosexual or trans.
I am talking about the ideology pushed in schools and universities on homosexuality and transgenderism.

Not today -- but it used to be.

LGBTQ+ -- are not an ideology. They are individual people. That apparently don't fit YOUR norm. But they fit theirs,

People expressing who they are -- is that what you object to?

Funny no one mentions the musclebound straight guy in a tight tee or a straight girl in her mini-skirts and crop top flaunting their sexuality.

We aren't talking about norms but the type of ideology emerged in schools and universities or even the workplaces.

Who's "we"?

You mean people being who they are?

That they aren't going to be arrested?

I said we are not talking about norms and meant posters on this thread.

I am also a poster on this thread. Do you mean posters that agree with you?

There is an ideology and nobody can deny it.

In schools and universities and even in the workplace where you need to follow the unreasonable rules imposed in the last few years.

No, it is not an ideology.

I'd actually call it more of a birthright -- who you were born to be -- and finally old staid conservative restrictions -- are being "washed away".

I had a mild Christian upbringing -- and still there was the sexual taboo. I feel for those who have to completely re-invent a new life.

Yes, posters who agree with me.

Are you saying there is no LGBTQ+ ideology?!

Explain to me the ideology of non-LGBTQ+.

I ve asked you if you think LGBTQ+ hasn't developed to an ideology. Yes or No?

It’s a derogatory terminology created by the Rught.

The only type of ideology I can see is that of a human rights, equality and belonging within society.

Exactly.

I previously stated they are individuals.

The only common factor is they are not “straight” (of course a transgender can be — but let’s not make any heads explode).

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: Annee

I would expect that he'll be evolving continuously for a long time. As he should be really.

I’ve concluded over the years the majority of people waste half their life unlearning indoctrinations forced on them by past generations.

I chose to raise him for his generation without the “old and tired” baggage.

Woke Gramma

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: Annee

I would expect that he'll be evolving continuously for a long time. As he should be really.

I’ve concluded over the years the majority of people waste half their life unlearning indoctrinations forced on them by past generations.

I chose to raise him for his generation without the “old and tired” baggage.

Woke Gramma

Let the kids be kids within their own generational realities.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: Annee

I would expect that he'll be evolving continuously for a long time. As he should be really.

I’ve concluded over the years the majority of people waste half their life unlearning indoctrinations forced on them by past generations.

I chose to raise him for his generation without the “old and tired” baggage.

Woke Gramma

Let the kids be kids within their own generational realities.

"is it fair?"

NO!

Dare I say, it is akin to evil!?

To deny one's expression, especially a CHILD who's purpose is UNITY is absolutely horrid!

It disgusts me beyond words...

It is vile and immature.

The young girl has displayed more maturity than the adults in charge...


I have faith in the world of tomorrow.

Not so much in today 's so called ruling authority.


Quite maddening if you ask me...

originally posted by: Annee
I am not LGBTQ+ -- I am straight. My personal experience/involvement comes from working several years at a company where I was the minority being straight.

I was reading through this thread from the first page to the last and all this time I was wondering how could a 77 year old person be a pro lgbt while claiming to be a freethinker but at the same time repeating all the usual american leftist sentences sometimes down to the word-by-word. Also it is ironic, you claim to be a freethinker but you can't even see you were clearly influenced by them while you were a "minority being straight". I'm curious, did they tell you stories of how they heroicly escaped being hunted with shotguns by right wingers just because they were gay/trans/whatever? I ask this because that's how they always describe the situation in usa and everytime I read these kinds of posts I actually laugh at how pathetic they are at convincing me to feel bad for them.

Shame I see 11 pages in and people are still confusing faith with religion.

they are not the same, believing in something (doesnt matter what) is faith, having faith in the constitution, god, allah, yahweh, the oak tree, or just innate human goodness its all faith.

A group based on faith is not a bad thing, bringing different groups together to find common ground at an early age is a great thing to have happen.

Shame something as simple as faith isnt understood by many "adults".

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: Annee

I would expect that he'll be evolving continuously for a long time. As he should be really.

I’ve concluded over the years the majority of people waste half their life unlearning indoctrinations forced on them by past generations.

I chose to raise him for his generation without the “old and tired” baggage.

Woke Gramma

Let the kids be kids within their own generational realities.

What if kids want to start their own Faith Club?

originally posted by: Dajoos

originally posted by: Annee
I am not LGBTQ+ -- I am straight. My personal experience/involvement comes from working several years at a company where I was the minority being straight.

. . . but you can't even see you were clearly influenced by them while you were a "minority being straight".

Influenced? In what way?

What did I discover?

They are people.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: Annee

I would expect that he'll be evolving continuously for a long time. As he should be really.

I’ve concluded over the years the majority of people waste half their life unlearning indoctrinations forced on them by past generations.

I chose to raise him for his generation without the “old and tired” baggage.

Woke Gramma

Let the kids be kids within their own generational realities.

What if kids want to start their own Faith Club?

You're leaving out the "public government school" part.

originally posted by: Dajoos

originally posted by: Annee
I am not LGBTQ+ -- I am straight. My personal experience/involvement comes from working several years at a company where I was the minority being straight.

I'm curious, did they tell you stories of how they heroicly escaped being hunted with shotguns by right wingers just because they were gay/trans/whatever? I ask this because that's how they always describe the situation in usa and everytime I read these kinds of posts I actually laugh at how pathetic they are at convincing me to feel bad for them.

They talked about their families, their career, education, etc.