Republican Voters Against Trump

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: gortex

What is so bad about a Trump presidency?

He hurts Liberal feelz.

Claims the Right.

It's not a Liberal saying that.

Then answer DB’s question…..What is so bad about a Trump presidency?

Specific answers not the usual Liberal deflections and double talk.

He had Obama levels of debt in half the time. More money was deployed during COVID than the 08’ bailouts and the Middle East wars combined. We bankrolled the R&D for the shots and then bought the same shots that we paid to make.

Nothing about the swamp was drained.

The economy looked great because we cut taxes and then gave everyone checks and bailed out companies. Now we see inflation.

People like Trump because they feel like it’s a jab at the system, but in reality he was a status quo president whose policy looked just like Bush and Obama minus starting new wars. In contrast we could say that’s maybe better but it’s a low bar.

He was OK. Not the worst, far from the best. And comparing him to recent presidents still puts it in garbage tier.

Edit: forgot about near zero interest rates which ballooned the real estate market only to have high house prices and now high interest rates to offset the period of near zero.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Jesus, must this be said?

Trump only signs the checks, congress writes the #ing amounts!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Jesus, must this be said?

Trump only signs the checks, congress writes the #ing amounts!

He can veto and he insisted on signing the checks. So it sounds to me he was for it.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Jesus, must this be said?

Trump only signs the checks, congress writes the #ing amounts!

He can veto and he insisted on signing the checks. So it sounds to me he was for it.

He also did a government shutdown which the left and right # themselves over.

Either/or Oprah, either/or.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

You act as if we had a choice with the Covid.

Our Democrat governor here in Michigan closed everything down and effectively destroyed the economy.

How was that Trump’s fault?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Jesus, must this be said?

Trump only signs the checks, congress writes the #ing amounts!

He can veto and he insisted on signing the checks. So it sounds to me he was for it.

He also did a government shutdown which the left and right # themselves over.

Either/or Oprah, either/or.

He actually left it to states for shutdown which is one of the few things I agreed with him on.

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: CriticalStinker

You act as if we had a choice with the Covid.

Our Democrat governor here in Michigan closed everything down and effectively destroyed the economy.

How was that Trump’s fault?

Wanna let Obama off the hook for how he miss handled 08’? I won’t.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
There were 'never Trumpers' the first time around.
There were 'never Trumpers' the second time around.
There are 'never Trumpers' the third time around.

But honestly, I don't think they are making much of an impact.
It's still pretty much tied up between Biden and Trump.
I'm still not convinced that either of them will actually be the nominees.
Trump has jail to look out for and Biden .. well .. we'll see if he makes it.

The question I have is, did they vote for Trump in 2020? What has really changed?

The other one like you suggested is how many are there? I know liberals are playing the role of conservatives during the primaries and it didn't even put a dent in anything, who are these people, and have they followed anything but listened to liberal media?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

He was OK. Not the worst, far from the best. And comparing him to recent presidents still puts it in garbage tier.

Edit: forgot about near zero interest rates which ballooned the real estate market only to have high house prices and now high interest rates to offset the period of near zero.

You sure give Trump a lot of credit for anything you deem as bad that he had little oversite in. What Biden did badly, was just sit there and do nothing to bring America back to normal, so it cost a few more trillions. The liberals did the whole mandates and a dozen of other really crazy crap and Biden was just eating ice cream. He hasn't been there for anything, and the door has been open to the nut house. The border is a freak'en good example of what I'm talking about.

Add in the world is burning and once again that is because of a weak signal from the White House. Boo Hoo Trump, Jesus just get anyone in there with a brain still.

a reply to: gortex

What have you Got , 10 People there ? The " Dead Weight of " Fence Sitting Wanna Be Though of as Patriots among their Sorry Ahass Peers " ? No Thanks , Not Needed to Win an Election .....

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

He actually left it to states for shutdown which is one of the few things I agreed with him on.

He had no choice in the matter. Where he failed was, he didn't push to open back up after we realized we didn't need to shut down in the first place. At first, it was said under Trump we would shut down in areas where we needed to flatten the curve. We never needed to flatten the curve and the states shut down like lemmings over a cliff. What was even worse was how long schools shut down that never needed to.

Biden has been a dead stump, not doing crap...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Elections are won by independents.

Trump is lucky he’s going up against Biden. But the damage is done. People are going to be hyper skeptical of wildcard candidates now because Trump is so abrasive and his record is lackluster.

I won’t act like he’s Hitler or the absolute worst… but if we’re being real, his record is no better than Bush or Obama. I won’t weigh him against someone who should be in a home. Not a hill I’m willing to die on.

Trump was put in a rough position with COVID. Welcome to the job you signed up for. He fumbled it like Bush with the Middle East and Obama with 08’. We could argue that they were dealt a bad hand, but they signed up to play poker, and boy were they all bad.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

People like Trump because they feel like it’s a jab at the system, but in reality he was a status quo president whose policy looked just like Bush and Obama minus starting new wars.

That's the part of Trump I liked. The one that talked big about pulling out of NAFTA and changed like two minor things and gave it a different name instead. I liked that, because it affirmed a status quo that works.

With NATO my hope is it goes a comical route where Don Trump becomes a fitting name and he starts getting EU countries to spend 2% with an offer they can't refuse.

"You're light this last fiscal year. Either your brains or 2% spending on defense will be on your Budget, Holland. Just because you have The Hague, doesn't been were taking your 1.7%. You should be more like Poland."

I just don't like being overtly manipulated by a pandering populist that crafted a somewhat frightening following saturated with Christian Nationalism.

If he picks a token moderate (that is willing) as a VP, that would temper my fears he will pick "an oppressed Christian" and just go full-on V for Vendetta with unity through faith.

a reply to: Degradation33

He’s always provided good lip service.

The people who are truest right wing economic aren’t swayed by talk though.

I measure politicians on policy, not talk.

Have some respect for yourselves, don't vote.

Re-adjust your interests.

Psalm 146:3-10:

3 Do not put your trust in princes* [Or “nobles.”]

Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.

4 His spirit* [Or “breath.”] goes out, he returns to the ground;

On that very day his thoughts perish.

5 Happy is the one who has the God of Jacob as his helper,

Whose hope is in Jehovah his God,

6 The Maker of heaven and earth,

Of the sea, and of all that is in them,

The One who always remains faithful,

7 The One securing justice for those defrauded,

The One giving bread to the hungry.

Jehovah is releasing the prisoners.* [Lit., “bound ones.”]

8 Jehovah is opening the eyes of the blind;

Jehovah is raising up those bowed down;

Jehovah loves the righteous.

9 Jehovah is protecting the foreign residents;

He sustains the fatherless child and the widow,

But he thwarts the plans of the wicked.

10 Jehovah will be King forever,

Your God, O Zion, for generation after generation.

Praise Jah!* [Or “Hallelujah!” “Jah” is a shortened form of the name Jehovah.]

The name Jehovah and its theophoric names.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Who was President in '08?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Degradation33

He’s always provided good lip service.

The people who are truest right wing economic aren’t swayed by talk though.

I measure politicians on policy, not talk.

Given the choice between Biden and Trump who would you vote for if the election was today?

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Degradation33

He’s always provided good lip service.

The people who are truest right wing economic aren’t swayed by talk though.

I measure politicians on policy, not talk.

Given the choice between Biden and Trump who would you vote for if the election was today?

Neither. I’ve only voted for an R or D for president once, and it was Trumps first term.

Learned my lesson.

I’ll continue to vote libertarian, 3rd party or independent.

People can keep going left or right expecting different results if they wish. Not my cup of tea.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
Elections are won by independents.

I disagree. True independents are a small minority of kind of weird people who really don't fit anywhere. What you mean is moderates that can swing one way or the other across the line.

Trump is lucky he’s going up against Biden. But the damage is done. People are going to be hyper skeptical of wildcard candidates now because Trump is so abrasive and his record is lackluster.

He is abrasive and many other Presidents were worse...Nixon for example. His record was good, not lackluster. It would have been exceptional if the left didn't freak out for 4 years with the only goal of seeing him fail, and he still overcame a good amount of that. They need to get over their immaturity of wanting to take Trump out at all costs and just take the L and move on in 2028.

I won’t act like he’s Hitler or the absolute worst… but if we’re being real, his record is no better than Bush or Obama. I won’t weigh him against someone who should be in a home. Not a hill I’m willing to die on.

Bush was much worse on many levels with 2 wars that cost about 6 trillion or more. Bush also wouldn't touch the border, but he did do some good stuff. Obama was OK his first 4 years, but then he was the darling of America, and everyone was hoping for his success, his second 4 years he went bat shiot crazy and much of the mess we see today with the WOKE is from him.

Trump was put in a rough position with COVID. Welcome to the job you signed up for. He fumbled it like Bush with the Middle East and Obama with 08’. We could argue that they were dealt a bad hand, but they signed up to play poker, and boy were they all bad.

Everyone in the world Fumbled... Trump was the only one pushing back on Fauci and he was demonized for it. Trump's quick action with the vaccine saved a lot of lives, it was Biden who mandated it and turned it into a totalitarian mess putting many at higher risk when not needed.

We need to remember with Trump the world had no clue what we were dealing with, so a lot of mistakes were made medically. Where Biden failed was, we had a good clue as to what we were dealing with, and we realized it wasn't as bad as we thought it might be and Biden still treated it like it was going to kill the human race. If I suggested that Biden cost America 5+ trillion more than needed I'm most likely too low. Also, he cost us continued health issues and mental issues.

Look at this whole woke event and progressive prosecutors allowing people to just go crazy and say it is all good. Cities are shutting down as businesses leave and people move on. I moved away from Portland which is dying on many levels, and Biden doesn't do crap. At least Trump was pushing back saying it was wrong, willing to send the feds etc as the liberals scream. Now they are screaming because their cities are failing...well no SH!T.

I'm not saying Trump is the best, but he is better than anyone else today offered up and understands the areas we need to fix. He is not fancy, and it doesn't need to be fancy...

a reply to: Xtrozero

I disagree. True independents are a small minority of kind of weird people who really don't fit anywhere

At any given time the mix is roughly 30%~ dem, 30% rep, 40%~ independent. I’ll concede much of that independent number are apathetics… but still hardly a minority.

Nixon for example. His record was good, not lackluster

He switched us to fiat. You can look at the national debt and inflation after which to see if that was a good idea.



For the rest I don’t understand why so many people are willing to give Trump a pass. Every president has a crisis they have to navigate. Most fumble and we don’t give them a pass. They signed up for the job which includes hard decisions.

Trump deployed more money than any president in recent history. He accrued more debt in one term than any president in recent history. It’s pretty black and white.