California officer shoots and kills a 15-year old autistic boy

originally posted by: Venkuish1
Australian? Not really.

When asked if they are a citizen of Australia, who the hell says 'not really'. Either you are or you aren't. You also tried to insinuate with DBCowboy that you are an American who doesn't like the 2nd Amendment, but you never came out directly and said 'I am American'. You use language that is from England and speak like an out of work atheist-socialist from England who likes to dis Christians and America. Is deceit part of that 'moral superiority' that atheists have that you are continually touting?

What country are you from?

If you are a foreigner ... we don't give a rats backend what you think of our 2nd Amendment. You don't live here and you are clueless. Also, your 'plan' for America to disarm Americans and the police, leaving only the criminals having guns, is moronic.

If you are an American, which I doubt, and you hate the 2nd Amendment, then tough crap. It's our Constitutional right to protect ourselves. Deal with it.

So either way ...

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Ahhh, so American.

Apparently not. He was just playing word games with you.
Part of that atheist 'moral superiority' that he claims to have.

And as a foreigner, his opinion that we need to disarm the police and take away the 2nd amendment rights of law abiding citizens is not only really dumb, but it also means NOTHING.

a reply to: Venkuish1

Muslim countries stone and behead people in public, so, there is that. They kill their own children. They have no cops they have Sharia so should we go that way?

a reply to: Venkuish1

Do you think people should wear signs if they have medical problems? That way when someone is charging a police officer with a weapon, they won't act.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Venkuish1

If you don't attack cops, the likelihood of getting shot by them drops dramatically.

FYI

Obviously.

But do you so other problem that other countries don't seem to have?

Yes, America has a culture that disrespects authority, thinks a work ethic is racist.

I am not quite sure about this.
But even if it was true dies this merit the shooting and killings of civilians at this alarming rate?

Ummmm, don't attack cops.

They have guns.

I typed this as slowly as I could so you can understand.

Doesn't matter how fast or slow you type.

My question hasn't been answered yet. Don't you see anything wrong with the whole approach? Because shooting and killing civilians is a practise mainly observed in the US. There are incidents in other countries but they are rare in comparison.

Your question has been answered several times, it's just not what you're looking for so you ignore it. It's not the first time you ignore a simple answer.

originally posted by: Venkuish1
I see my thread is moved in a more appropriate forum which is great.

I will reference SkepticOverlord who wrote the rules for this forum back in 2013.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


In his OP we can see the first two points made that many of you seem to to forgot.

1) The unconstitutional domestic surveillance of the NSA

2) The militarization of police in the United States and around the world

The militarisation of the police in the US is a real issue which isn't seen abroad or at least at the level observed in the US. Shooting and killing civilians is a widespread practise regardless of the circumstances.

Don't you see anything wrong with it?

Been happening since police forces were founded. Nothing has been militarized. *facepalm*

originally posted by: Shoshanna

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Shoshanna
a reply to: Venkuish1

It says he was running at the cop with a long bladed gardening tool, which we can see in the body cam the kid is running full bore at the cop with weapon in hand and the cop says something to the effect of stop or you're gonna get shot. I dont know where he shot him probably should have shot him in the leg and not been lethal but still stopped the threat. Probably should have just tasered him honestly and probably should have had more backup just from what I see on the small piece of bodycam I've seen so far.

What would you do in that situation? Based on the bodycam if the kid didn't obey the command to stop or ill shoot or just drop the weapon I would have tasered him because I have a feeling that non lethal option would have stopped him. But we don't know the whole situation because at least I myself have only seen a small part of the bodycam footage.

My question is the following: How many similar incidents happen in Europe? Usually officers in various countries are not armed or don't use lethal force easily.

I haven't seen the bodycam footage either.

Well not many if any im sure since they don't have guns they can't shoot perpetrators. In America there are more guns than people so the cops need guns. This cop should have drawn his taser not his gun I feel like.

If someone is charging you with a blade attached to a 5' rod, would you risk tasing them with your life in danger? Tasing isn't something done from 30' away, it's two wires that eject in random directions when you pull the trigger.

a reply to: Venkuish1

Didn't happen in Ukraine either. Guess what happened when they were attacked... Attack America, see how well that goes. Nobody is taking guns because we're not going to become vulnerable like Europeans.

Like you've been told 100 times, don't attack a cop.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Venkuish1
Do you think everyone in this world shares your interpretation of the second amendment

Already said ... we don't give a rats ass what foreigners think of our second amendment.

or that every American is in favour of gun ownership/use.

Any American that doesn't like the 2nd Amendment can go screw himself.
It's a Constitutional right to self defense.

You have not directly answered the question ... are you an American?
I don't think you are.
You use 'favour' instead of 'favor' - which is ENGLAND.
And the times you are on this board are when a person would be active in ENGLAND, not USA.
And you care more about foreigner opinion than American.

I"m still leaning towards alienborg/leviathan4/captainx etc etc with you
no matter you denial.

I don't know how this 'debate' has shifted to hatred of the second amendment!

Self defense is very different to the madness of gun possession and use observed in the US.

Very strange definition of self defense you have!

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Venkuish1

Didn't happen in Ukraine either. Guess what happened when they were attacked... Attack America, see how well that goes. Nobody is taking guns because we're not going to become vulnerable like Europeans.

Like you've been told 100 times, don't attack a cop.

Another poster said don't attack the cops.
But when attacking a cop it doesn't necessarily mean you must die unless you are too misunderstand what self defense means. But I suppose there is a little if confusion between using force and using lethal force.

Europe hadn't lost the plot and neither New Zealand or Australia. Gun possession and use are minimal and police officers are well trained and they are not 'cowboy' officers.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Venkuish1

If you don't attack cops, the likelihood of getting shot by them drops dramatically.

FYI

Obviously.

But do you so other problem that other countries don't seem to have?

Yes, America has a culture that disrespects authority, thinks a work ethic is racist.

I am not quite sure about this.
But even if it was true dies this merit the shooting and killings of civilians at this alarming rate?

Ummmm, don't attack cops.

They have guns.

I typed this as slowly as I could so you can understand.

Doesn't matter how fast or slow you type.

My question hasn't been answered yet. Don't you see anything wrong with the whole approach? Because shooting and killing civilians is a practise mainly observed in the US. There are incidents in other countries but they are rare in comparison.

Your question has been answered several times, it's just not what you're looking for so you ignore it. It's not the first time you ignore a simple answer.

It had been avoided several times and not answered. Instead it has shifted to 'hatred' of the second amendment.

The incident described on this thread is rare in European countries and elsewhere in the Western world where the state hasn't lost the plot.

It's called the ugly truth and better face the truth rather than trying to find excuses recalling the second amendment.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Venkuish1

Do you think people should wear signs if they have medical problems? That way when someone is charging a police officer with a weapon, they won't act.

Irrelevant.
The problem is elsewhere and we all know what this problem is.

Compare again with Europe, Australia, New Zealand and see the different approaches and their results.

a reply to: Venkuish1

If you know more and can police better than the cops, I suggest you hire on at a local police force and school us.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Venkuish1

Perhaps the USA is a police state, and not the pinnacle of freedom and liberty that its citizens have been told it is?

It definitely seems to incarcerate more of its own citizens than any other country.

If you read my posts I said many times that the state has lost the plot. Almost everyone can have access to guns and use them. When you have easy access to guns and use them and then the officers are not trained well and just shoot to injure or kill then the number of gun related crimes and police related deaths is expected to be huge!

You clearly have no clue as to how police officers are trained to respond, do you?

So, why spout off on a topic you know nothing about?

Just to show off your ignorance?

If so, bravo! Well done!

You have succeeded brilliantly!

They are not trained well in the US.
If you see the post by @bastion he explains well his is the training in his country (presumably the UK). In the UK citizens don't have access to guns and police officers are not 'cowboy' officers. Are much more reasonable, they don't usually have guns, but the officers who use them rarely kill citizens. You do understand the chaotic difference in this approach?

I understand you may not like my posts because I don't subscribe to the supernatural nonsense pushed in other threads but to argue that almost unrestricted access to guns and gun use have no consequences it's probably worse than the various claims made in support of the supernatural world...

If yall would still had yalls guns then the Autralians police would not had locked down your people as hard as they did in australia. talk about GOV giving you freedom instead of being born with it and the Gov not being able to tell you what to do.

I am not 100% sure of what you are trying to say but I think guns could not have prevented lockdowns and the use of guns would have resulted in many deaths and injuries. Just look at what is happening in the US. I am not from Australia.

the THREAT of the use of guns would had prevented the hard lockdown the australians were put under. And OPPSIE i replied to the wrong person,my bad. And America is fine. most gun deaths are from CRIMINALS and their killing of OTHER criminals.

It looks like you replied to the wrong person.

Really difficult to convince others if you think this madness with gun related deaths and police related incidents can go for longer. It's already out of control.

The 1st reply yes,NOT THE SECOND. that was for you. And Gun deaths would be WAY HIGHER if we were as bad off as you people claim we are.
And as others have said ,"If you do not like our laws piss off" and stay disarmed.

a reply to: Venkuish1

He chased them with a shovel lol that's how you get shot

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Venkuish1

If you know more and can police better than the cops, I suggest you hire on at a local police force and school us.

Common sense has long been abandoned when it comes to gun possession and use in the US. All you have to do is look at how things are in other countries and how officers are getting trained and resound. Another poster was explaining the same above @bastion

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Venkuish1

Perhaps the USA is a police state, and not the pinnacle of freedom and liberty that its citizens have been told it is?

It definitely seems to incarcerate more of its own citizens than any other country.

If you read my posts I said many times that the state has lost the plot. Almost everyone can have access to guns and use them. When you have easy access to guns and use them and then the officers are not trained well and just shoot to injure or kill then the number of gun related crimes and police related deaths is expected to be huge!

You clearly have no clue as to how police officers are trained to respond, do you?

So, why spout off on a topic you know nothing about?

Just to show off your ignorance?

If so, bravo! Well done!

You have succeeded brilliantly!

They are not trained well in the US.
If you see the post by @bastion he explains well his is the training in his country (presumably the UK). In the UK citizens don't have access to guns and police officers are not 'cowboy' officers. Are much more reasonable, they don't usually have guns, but the officers who use them rarely kill citizens. You do understand the chaotic difference in this approach?

I understand you may not like my posts because I don't subscribe to the supernatural nonsense pushed in other threads but to argue that almost unrestricted access to guns and gun use have no consequences it's probably worse than the various claims made in support of the supernatural world...

If yall would still had yalls guns then the Autralians police would not had locked down your people as hard as they did in australia. talk about GOV giving you freedom instead of being born with it and the Gov not being able to tell you what to do.

I am not 100% sure of what you are trying to say but I think guns could not have prevented lockdowns and the use of guns would have resulted in many deaths and injuries. Just look at what is happening in the US. I am not from Australia.

the THREAT of the use of guns would had prevented the hard lockdown the australians were put under. And OPPSIE i replied to the wrong person,my bad. And America is fine. most gun deaths are from CRIMINALS and their killing of OTHER criminals.

It looks like you replied to the wrong person.

Really difficult to convince others if you think this madness with gun related deaths and police related incidents can go for longer. It's already out of control.

The 1st reply yes,NOT THE SECOND. that was for you. And Gun deaths would be WAY HIGHER if we were as bad off as you people claim we are.
And as others have said ,"If you do not like our laws piss off" and stay disarmed.

Things are already really bad in the US. Do you hear of similar incidents in European countries at that frequency? Same for most other countries in the Western world- common denominator: these events are rare elsewhere because of the way people see gun possession and use.

a reply to: Venkuish1

Things are already really bad in the US.

No they aren't. Not at all. Especially when viewed as a country of our size geographically as well as population wise - 370 million people.

You have *NO* idea what you're talking about. None. Zero.

And you're a man without a country too by your own admission through omission.

What country are you from again?

lol!!!

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat
a reply to: Venkuish1

Things are already really bad in the US.

No they aren't. Not at all. Especially when viewed as a country of our size geographically as well as population wise - 370 million people.

You have *NO* idea what you're talking about. None. Zero.

And you're a man without a country too by your own admission through omission.

What country are you from again?

lol!!!

Europe has a population of over 740 million people more than double that of the US and these events are rare because gun possession and use is rare. It's just very simple but I don't expect common sense when it comes to this issue. Your arguments are similar to the religious arguments made by creationists in other threads and I think I have seen you arguing in favour of the supernatural world. If you wish to approach the topic of this thread from a supernatural perspective then I understand you won't be able to offer a solution and you will be denying reality just as creationists do when are confronted with facts.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat
a reply to: Venkuish1

Things are already really bad in the US.

No they aren't. Not at all. Especially when viewed as a country of our size geographically as well as population wise - 370 million people.

You have *NO* idea what you're talking about. None. Zero.

And you're a man without a country too by your own admission through omission.

What country are you from again?

lol!!!

Europe has a population of over 740 million people more than double that of the US and these events are rare because gun possession and use is rare. It's just very simple but I don't expect common sense when it comes to this issue. Your arguments are similar to the religious arguments made by creationists in other threads and I think I have seen you arguing in favour of the supernatural world. If you wish to approach the topic of this thread from a supernatural perspective then I understand you won't be able to offer a solution and you will be denying reality just as creationists do when are confronted with facts.

Since Evolution is a theory,can you prove its 100 perent accurate?

And the US are not limp wristed europeans. our COTUS is the only thing we listen to instead of weak lily liverered cowards who hide do as their governments want because they gave their guns away.