California officer shoots and kills a 15-year old autistic boy

a reply to: Shoshanna

Most of your post was covered already. However, always shoot center of mass.

A "feeling" that a less than lethal method would have stopped him is not enough to bet my life on in the tiny amount of reaction time the officer had. The officers family wants him home after work as opposed to dead.

Mental illness should be treated and that's on family. How does someone with anger / rage issues get access to the sharp tool? That's on the family.

It sounds like the cops got called because the family needed help. Did they not think of what might be the end result or did they not care?

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Venkuish1

Might be premature but I'm gonna go ahead and diagnose this situation as a parenting failure. Any kid ages 8 to 17 who doesn't know enough about fundamental civics to comply with law enforcement and the deadly consequences of physically threatening law enforcement, has not been adequately schooled by their biological or appointed guardian.

And to take this thought train a few stops further. Do we really want these sort of people breeding to make more "intellectually challenged" individuals that will further require ever more resources to keep in check?

If they want to free base HF corn syrup and stare at the screen all day for feelz then why should the rest of us have to suffer for it? F `em, we`re trying to get back to the cosmos here, not cater to retards.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

Unfortunately, in the US, officers easily shoot and kill people who are perceived as threats or just shoot and kill people even when they are not.

Are you really from the US?


You talk like every place in America is the same. There are 350 million people here and it stretches across a wide area. Do you know that London to Moscow is a shorter distance than Portland to Chicago? People take for granted that all of America is the same and it is very different as to where you go.

As to cops, it is the same thing in some places it is a hard life, and in other places, it is laid back. Cops tend to mirror the culture they work in.

originally posted by: Shoshanna
I dont know where he shot him probably should have shot him in the leg

Damn, that is a stupid answer...lol

Let me run at you full speed and let's see if you can shoot me in the leg. Long story short....you are dead...

originally posted by: Venkuish1
How many similar incidents happen in Europe? Usually officers in various countries are not armed or don't use lethal force easily.

I haven't seen the bodycam footage either.

Similar, as in people get beat up more in the EU, a lot more knife violence, rape is pretty high... As for me if you want to beat me up I'll just shoot you and call it a night... am I wrong?

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown2
As a parent of an autistic son (high functioning, no medication ever required or suggested/offered) I will remain calm and just show some cops opt for ingenuity rather than lethal force

What leads to lethal force is a reduction in the number of cops. Today many cops are solo with "backup" minutes away. More cops mean less lethality. Back when it was partners you were less likely to pull your gun compared to being solo. I guess we need to thank all those who said defund cops... Less cops mean more are willing to go lethal to cover their ass.

originally posted by: Annee

Autism now is under such a "wide-span" umbrella - it doesn't really mean much until you know the severity and specifics of the child's diagnosis.

Everyone is autistic today at some level.

originally posted by: Degradation33

From a police perspective, this is how it goes, bullets get stopped by kevlar

That is why we are taught 2 in the chest and one in the head... pretty simple...

originally posted by: RustEShackelFord

And to take this thought train a few stops further. Do we really want these sort of people breeding to make more "intellectually challenged" individuals that will further require ever more resources to keep in check?

If they want to free base HF corn syrup and stare at the screen all day for feelz then why should the rest of us have to suffer for it? F `em, we`re trying to get back to the cosmos here, not cater to retards.

Damn dude, I'm thinking you are one of those we do not want to breed...

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown2
As a parent of an autistic son (high functioning, no medication ever required or suggested/offered) I will remain calm and just show some cops opt for ingenuity rather than lethal force

The moment thirty riot police tackled machete-wielding man with a wheelie bin

Me too.

God bless you.

Because although high functioning, the challenges of raising a child like this, such that they can fully and happily integrate into society are many. We ultimately did, and my wife gets 90% of the credit. But it wasn't easy at times.

My son is now 26 years old, has a college degree, an amazing girlfriend, is a full time IT specialist and a chef at a resort on the weekends since he loves to cook.

I love him so damn much. He's such a kind and funny soul.

From someone who understands better than most, I wish you and your son all the best.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Venkuish1

If you don't attack cops, the likelihood of getting shot by them drops dramatically.

FYI

Obviously.

But do you so other problem that other countries don't seem to have?

Yes, America has a culture that disrespects authority, thinks a work ethic is racist.

I am not quite sure about this.
But even if it was true dies this merit the shooting and killings of civilians at this alarming rate?

Ummmm, don't attack cops.

They have guns.

I typed this as slowly as I could so you can understand.

Doesn't matter how fast or slow you type.

My question hasn't been answered yet. Don't you see anything wrong with the whole approach? Because shooting and killing civilians is a practise mainly observed in the US. There are incidents in other countries but they are rare in comparison.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Venkuish1
How many similar incidents happen in Europe? Usually officers in various countries are not armed or don't use lethal force easily.

I haven't seen the bodycam footage either.

Similar, as in people get beat up more in the EU, a lot more knife violence, rape is pretty high... As for me if you want to beat me up I'll just shoot you and call it a night... am I wrong?

Still, the population of Europe is higher than the population of US and as discussed earlier there seems to be a real problem with shooting and killing civilians. Most shootings occur in the US and that's where the problem is in my opinion. It's a cultural 'thing'.

originally posted by: Dandandat3
What did the family think was going to happen when they called the police? They live in the US; they know the police shoot suspects when their life is being threatened. But the family still called the police, most likely because the family thought their lives were being threatened by the 5 foot blade the young man was wielding.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

The point is: easy shoot and kill practices are mainly observed in the US. You don't get anything remotely similar in Germany, France, the UK, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, name whatever country you want.

Really? Never anything remotely similar?

German Police Shoot Dead Knife-Wielding Attacker

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Sudanese man shot dead after threatening Paris police with meat cleaver

A Sudanese man was shot dead early Saturday after he allegedly threatened police with a meat cleaver in a Paris train station.

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Sweden sword attack: 'Two dead' as police shoot masked sword-wielding man near school

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Copenhagen Police shoot man on busy central square

Police in Copenhagen on Tuesday morning shot a man at the central Kongens Nytorv square after he produced a knife and acted aggressively.

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Police shoot armed man dead at Brisbane caravan park

An armed man has been shot dead by police north of Brisbane.

Officers called to a Deception Bay caravan park were confronted by a man armed with a machete, sword and tomahawk.

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A Man Is Shot Dead By New Zealand Police After He Attacks 6 In A Supermarket

WELLINGTON, New Zealand — New Zealand authorities were so worried about an Islamic extremist they were following him around-the-clock and were able to shoot and kill him within 60 seconds of him unleashing a frenzied knife attack that wounded six people Friday at an Auckland supermarket.

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Never said nothing like this happened abroad but rather than this practise is mainly observed in the US. In comparison these cases are rare let's say in Europe since you posted some links.

The shoot and kill is a practise highly embedded in the culture of policing citizens. In contrast and most places in Europe, cops are either not armed and even when they are, shooting and killing a suspect is the last resort and that's why these events are rare in comparison.

Don't you see the problem? Gun possession in most European countries is not legal and citizens are not armed. Likewise for officers in most cases.

I see my thread is moved in a more appropriate forum which is great.

I will reference SkepticOverlord who wrote the rules for this forum back in 2013.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


In his OP we can see the first two points made that many of you seem to to forgot.

1) The unconstitutional domestic surveillance of the NSA

2) The militarization of police in the United States and around the world

The militarisation of the police in the US is a real issue which isn't seen abroad or at least at the level observed in the US. Shooting and killing civilians is a widespread practise regardless of the circumstances.

Don't you see anything wrong with it?

a reply to: xuenchen

Bobbies on the beat unarmed!


So glad to have moved from my native California as a VN Vet away fro the likes of

ANNEE

Since 1984 I have excelled and de stressed after such prejudice was so damaging.

We have our probs in the UK but not those headlines.

Here nobody cares you served, its an honour.


And I do not fear the police whilst observing professionalism

a reply to: SchrodingersRat

My son is 16 just started college , and I agree the challenges of helping him adjust into society are numerous , I lean to the thinking that society needs to be more understanding to autism rather than us try and make them fit in this crazy world

Our sons sound similar , mine to is so dam kind and studying business and IT

My wife and I have always done our best by him, it may take a little longer with some things but well worth it

Unfortunately my wife passed away last year aged 46 just before his 16th birthday , in that time though he left high school with better grades than predicted and started at college

So now all the decisions are on me and that’s the part I sometimes find hardest , not having my wife to discuss what is for the best

Good luck to you and your family , cherish and love them more today than you did yesterday

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Shoshanna
a reply to: Venkuish1

It says he was running at the cop with a long bladed gardening tool, which we can see in the body cam the kid is running full bore at the cop with weapon in hand and the cop says something to the effect of stop or you're gonna get shot. I dont know where he shot him probably should have shot him in the leg and not been lethal but still stopped the threat. Probably should have just tasered him honestly and probably should have had more backup just from what I see on the small piece of bodycam I've seen so far.

What would you do in that situation? Based on the bodycam if the kid didn't obey the command to stop or ill shoot or just drop the weapon I would have tasered him because I have a feeling that non lethal option would have stopped him. But we don't know the whole situation because at least I myself have only seen a small part of the bodycam footage.

My question is the following: How many similar incidents happen in Europe? Usually officers in various countries are not armed or don't use lethal force easily.

I haven't seen the bodycam footage either.

Well not many if any im sure since they don't have guns they can't shoot perpetrators. In America there are more guns than people so the cops need guns. This cop should have drawn his taser not his gun I feel like.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: RustEShackelFord

And to take this thought train a few stops further. Do we really want these sort of people breeding to make more "intellectually challenged" individuals that will further require ever more resources to keep in check?

If they want to free base HF corn syrup and stare at the screen all day for feelz then why should the rest of us have to suffer for it? F `em, we`re trying to get back to the cosmos here, not cater to retards.

Damn dude, I'm thinking you are one of those we do not want to breed...

Well thats real good there fella, I didn`t want to have sex with you in the first place.

originally posted by: Shoshanna

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Shoshanna
a reply to: Venkuish1

It says he was running at the cop with a long bladed gardening tool, which we can see in the body cam the kid is running full bore at the cop with weapon in hand and the cop says something to the effect of stop or you're gonna get shot. I dont know where he shot him probably should have shot him in the leg and not been lethal but still stopped the threat. Probably should have just tasered him honestly and probably should have had more backup just from what I see on the small piece of bodycam I've seen so far.

What would you do in that situation? Based on the bodycam if the kid didn't obey the command to stop or ill shoot or just drop the weapon I would have tasered him because I have a feeling that non lethal option would have stopped him. But we don't know the whole situation because at least I myself have only seen a small part of the bodycam footage.

My question is the following: How many similar incidents happen in Europe? Usually officers in various countries are not armed or don't use lethal force easily.

I haven't seen the bodycam footage either.

Well not many if any im sure since they don't have guns they can't shoot perpetrators. In America there are more guns than people so the cops need guns. This cop should have drawn his taser not his gun I feel like.

That's exactly what my point is. These incidents elsewhere are rare and officers either are not armed or when they shoot to injure or kill this is their last resort. The problem in the US is cultural and gun possession/ use is embedded within the culture and way of life. Outsiders (the rest of the world) see gun possession and use as extremely stupid and dangerous and they are right. Officers have instructions by the superiors to shoot and injure/kill and then ask questions. In many cases the citizens who are killed don't even carry a gun or any other weapon (like knives for example).

originally posted by: Venkuish1

Never said nothing like this happened abroad but rather than this practise is mainly observed in the US.

No. What you said was:

You don't get anything remotely similar in Germany, France, the UK, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, name whatever country you want.

Which is it?