Who are the Russians?

originally posted by: EvanH
Can you explain why Ukrainians allied themselves with nazi Germany during WW2 rather than Russia if they are not a separate country and are Russian according to your words?

Why would their fellow "russian brothers" commit a veritable genocide on their "Ukrainian brothers" during The Holodomor?

I understand the denazification issue of Ukraine, considering the people who they hold up as heroes and the fact there are literal nazi battalions in the Ukrainian Armed Forces. But isn't their very presence/existence symptomatic of the abhorrent way Russia has treated Ukranians? That they would in fact rather join the disgusting Nazis than their fellow "russian brothers.?"


From my own neautral position, I see white Christian fighting white Christian. I see pictures of destroyed churches whilst soldiers are carrying the banner of Christ to kill fellow Christians! THAT, is the REAL brotherhood here. The Christian one. I see Satan's hand at play putting Christian against Christian for the crime of bowing to Christ instead of him. Christians falling into a satanic trap in the meat grinder of war.

Why are you in both sides allowing themselves to be the tools of satan in their own demise?

Certainly can. Firstly, not all Ukrainians sided with Hitler, but only a small part of them from western Ukraine.
And they began to be made “Ukrainians” back during the existence of the Austrian Empire, when the lands of western Ukraine were part of it. The Austrian General Staff came up with a plan where Russians were intensively recorded as “Ukrainians”, and those who did not want to were sent to the Terezin and Talerhof concentration camps, where they were exterminated en masse. In this way, the artificial nationality “Ukrainians” was implanted in opposition to the Russians, instilling in them hatred of the Russians.
By the way, their “national hero” Stepan Bandera was born, raised and was a subject of the Austrian Empire.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Americans tend to forget we had our own war of secession and the Ukraine/Russian conflict began with Ukraine targeting ethic Russians and Russian-speaking people no doubt egged on by NATO. Ukraine was part of Russia for 300 years before 1991 as was Crimea for nearly as long. Most of the fighting against Poland, Sweden, Napoleon, Turkey and Germany in 2 World wars happened in the Ukraine. It has been consecrated with the blood of tens of millions. How Russians feel about Ukraine is no different than Americans feel about other states. Nobody wants this war but things could not continue as they were. At what point will the US start bombing Mexican cartels? If we never do it's because they've bought out our politicians. Russia isn't as far fallen as we are.

The big problem is that Ukraine is an independent country that was set up by Russia in the first place. The targeting of Russians was because that area decided they wanted to be separatists and start their own country. You make it sound like Ukraine was just hunting down Russians. That war was greatly inflated by Russia supplying military equipment and sending in their mercs, but all in all, after eight years when you add up all deaths on both sides to include military and civilians, it comes out to about 8000 people. How does that even compare to one week of what Russia is doing today?

It would be like the bottom half of Texas decided they were their own country or said they wanted to join Mexico again, and then Mexico supported them with arms and mercs. How do you think that would play out?

You also need to remember that Ukraine has not been friends with Russia for a long ass time. Russia killed 1/3 of the population under the USSR, put 100,000s in gulags, and removed all indigenous people in Crimea to set up their own self-created history of the place. Your little comment about Russia's feelings about Ukraine is how America feels about its States is not even close. You seem to want to justify Russia's actions or try to put some logic to it and there is none.

a reply to: Kurokage

Kurokage, he's already explained that it was a typo. It's quite easy to figure out he meant 1839. He only forgot to add (and this is funniest) that Custin became thoroughly disgusted with Russia and in his book he described Russians as half savages. He also criticized the tsar's tyranny. And, being a reactionary fervently opposed to the French revolution' legacy, he went there full of hope that he would meet there a much better political system than a parliamentary republic which he could describe in his book. And he ended up disappointed, no less than Gerard Depardieu.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Who are the Russians?

Who gives a cr@p as long as they go home to their permafrost.

originally posted by: Sleazyb513

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: RussianTroll
You invented Ukrainians, instilled in them hatred of Russians, and now you are attacking Russians. Ukrainians are your project led by your people. But for me they are family, I have many relatives there.

If Ukraine wanted to be Russian, it would have voted itself Russian on it's own. But no, instead Russia invaded, destroyed towns, mass murdered civilians.

Ukraine is a separate country from Russia.
It is a sovereign nation of it's own.
The Russia/Ukraine war is not an internal civil war.

You having relatives in Ukraine is IRRELEVANT. I have relatives in Canada, that doesn't mean that America can go invade Canada and force it to be part of America.

Actually they can't vote for a new president . The comedian pan handler cancelled all their elections .

Countries at war tend not to have elections..

a reply to: andy06shake

A bunch of disparate peoples held together by a common fondness of living under the heel of constant repression and authoritarian regimes?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Aka a bunch of numpties.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
I have already written to some “particularly adequate” PBX users that I do not intend to communicate with them because of their Russophobia. But they are literally on their knees begging me to answer them.
In queue!!!

Just love the fact that you seem to think us Brits are all using a phone system (PBX) to commuincate our dislike for you. We don't need to be 'working' on ATS as team to see through your posts here.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Firstly, not all Ukrainians sided with Hitler, but only a small part of them from western Ukraine.

You seem to miss out the part of Nazi occupation of Poland and Ukraine during this time.
What you also seem to miss out was that Russia sided with the Nazis in '39, it was only after Hitler invaded Russia did they decide to join the allies.

www.facinghistory.org...

A Sinister Alliance: Soviet-German Relations 1939–1941

a reply to: Kurokage

What is PBX?

a reply to: Kurokage

What you also seem to miss out was that Russia sided with the Nazis in '39, it was only after Hitler invaded Russia did they decide to join the allies.

Never mind according to Putin's little 30-minute revisionist history opinion piece, Poland deserved to be invaded by the Nazi scum.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Private branch exchange.

Its like VoIP.

www.gradwell.com...#:~:text=PBX%20stands%20for%20Private%20Branch,different%20communication%20channels%2C%20like%20VoIP.

a reply to: andy06shake

Thanks. So I am supposed to be using this?

Sounds like paranoia to me?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Nevermind expensive paranoia at that.

a reply to: Kurokage

Well, it is a Conspiracy site, I suppose?

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originally posted by: RussianTroll
All this makes the Russian idea and civilization attractive to many peoples of the world. And as we know, an idea cannot be killed.

Not attractive to journalists and although an idea can't be killed, Putin sure does try to kill the idea of a free press.

New Documentary on Journalists and Human Rights Activists Killed by Putin

The documentary goes on to accuse Putin of sanctioning the deaths of 17 opponents, critics, journalists and politicians, including: Artyom Borovik; Yuri Shchekochikhin; Paul Klebnikov; Alexander Litvinenko; Anna Politkovskaya; Natalya Estemirova; Anastasia Baburova; Stanislav Markelov; Sergei Magnitsky; Mikhail Beketov; Boris Nemtsov; Kirill Radchenko; Aleksandr Rastorguev; Orhcan Dzhemal; Timur Kuashev; and Nikita Isaev.

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a reply to: FlyersFan

Not attractive to journalists and although an idea can't be killed, Putin sure does try to kill the idea of a free press.

He doesn't kill anyone? They just want to inspect the outside windows from the 5th floor of their hotel room.