Is John 14:6 The Most Blatant Example of False Prophecy?

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

When the architect decides to build a bridge or building, does he/she not first produce a complete, detailed set of plans that include accurate drawings and information for every single piece for the construction of that bridge or building? Does that architect not compile a detailed list of every material needed? Does he/ she not see or envision the completed project before he/ she ever begins?

originally posted by: whyamIhere
There are many Gods.

The God of the Bible is the most high.

The reason is he can raise things from the dead.

The rest look like clowns next to him.

Why do American kids learn Greek mythology.

It makes me wonder.

I find it odd how Jesus pronounced in Spanish sounds like Hesus, or he’s Zeus, or possibly of Zeus.

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie


Old Testament

Thou shalt have no other gods before me

New Testament

I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Old Testament

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image

The graven images thing is a man-made change in the Bible

a reply to: AlexandrosOMegas

It’s pretty much all man made changes. I believe in a creator, everything that man has had a part in I question.

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: AlexandrosOMegas

It’s pretty much all man made changes. I believe in a creator, everything that man has had a part in I question.

I'm from a similar point of view.

In land-o-deism it's all man-made attempts to figure out universal laws. Your observations have been noted, but it was going to do that anyway.

The Great thing about a god that doesn't interact is it never gets in the way of what observation actually says.

I think it merges great if you stop insisting on seeing its specific interactions.

It's form regulates through an increase in disorder. And that's all it ever does. That ultimate coding is closer to a thermodynamic law.



It's uncomfortable for most people because it draws no distinction between "positive increase in disorder" and "negative increase in disorder" from the divine to personal standpoint.

The creator of ultimate indifference to what happens to you or how you respond, which may not even be all that free of a decision for you anyway.

You have to count the cards of life and cheat the odds by making decisions that are more likely to be positive for you. It works that way, BECAUSE it's indifferent. You can change your odds because it's all malleable. A defined ethical compass and personal responsibility is like a secret map to better things happening.. Being nice helps tremendously.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

As one can choose to walk a path or not, I would say that the freedom of choice is still there.

However, an omniscient and omnipotent God absolutely controls the Universe, without question. Imagine the level of care and concern to grant free will under such circumstance.

Any evidence the Universe is controlled by an omnipotent and omniscient God (presumably the God of the Old Testament).

Any evidence it isn't?

We have freedom of choice and it's not absolute or without any limits.

Some people seem to believe anything less than total anarchy is not freedom. Of course there are limits even physics, lack of foresight, and circumstance, limit us greatly.

Can you tell what is wrong with your answer? I am sure you can find it as it's not that difficult.

I asked you if there is any evidence the Universes was created by an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient God, as you claimed. Your answer: any evidence it wasn't?

Now change God with an invisible giant space unicorn. Is your answer still the same?

You do understand where the burden of proof is.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

As one can choose to walk a path or not, I would say that the freedom of choice is still there.

However, an omniscient and omnipotent God absolutely controls the Universe, without question. Imagine the level of care and concern to grant free will under such circumstance.

Any evidence the Universe is controlled by an omnipotent and omniscient God (presumably the God of the Old Testament).

Any evidence it isn't?

We have freedom of choice and it's not absolute or without any limits.

Some people seem to believe anything less than total anarchy is not freedom. Of course there are limits even physics, lack of foresight, and circumstance, limit us greatly.

Can you tell what is wrong with your answer? I am sure you can find it as it's not that difficult.

I asked you if there is any evidence the Universes was created by an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient God, as you claimed. Your answer: any evidence it wasn't?

Now change God with an invisible giant space unicorn. Is your answer still the same?

You do understand where the burden of proof is.

Ok, so Jesus said those who believe but did not see have the greatest faith. Believe in him and love your neighbors is not Jihadism.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

As one can choose to walk a path or not, I would say that the freedom of choice is still there.

However, an omniscient and omnipotent God absolutely controls the Universe, without question. Imagine the level of care and concern to grant free will under such circumstance.

Any evidence the Universe is controlled by an omnipotent and omniscient God (presumably the God of the Old Testament).

Any evidence it isn't?

We have freedom of choice and it's not absolute or without any limits.

Some people seem to believe anything less than total anarchy is not freedom. Of course there are limits even physics, lack of foresight, and circumstance, limit us greatly.

Can you tell what is wrong with your answer? I am sure you can find it as it's not that difficult.

I asked you if there is any evidence the Universes was created by an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient God, as you claimed. Your answer: any evidence it wasn't?

Now change God with an invisible giant space unicorn. Is your answer still the same?

You do understand where the burden of proof is.

I do understand where the burden of proof is.

I was pointing out that both sides cite their absence of proof, as proof. That isn't the way it works.

The burden of proof depends entirely upon the way you ask the question. Because both cases are making claims, one positive, and one negative. They have equal burden of proof.

The truth is, that if you don't have any proof, on either side, you cannot really make a rational determination.

But in my case, I do have circumstantial and subjective proofs, at least. And to me, in my position, that is more than nothing.

For instance, the existence of the universe in the way it is and with the variety and complexity that it has, means that there has to be some sort of ordering and complexifying principal. Why doesn't the universe settle into a singular lowest energy state? Something totally counter to entropy and mathematical islands of stability must be going on? So what is that? How would you describe that? There's not nothing there, there is 'something amazing' there.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

As one can choose to walk a path or not, I would say that the freedom of choice is still there.

However, an omniscient and omnipotent God absolutely controls the Universe, without question. Imagine the level of care and concern to grant free will under such circumstance.

Any evidence the Universe is controlled by an omnipotent and omniscient God (presumably the God of the Old Testament).

Any evidence it isn't?

We have freedom of choice and it's not absolute or without any limits.

Some people seem to believe anything less than total anarchy is not freedom. Of course there are limits even physics, lack of foresight, and circumstance, limit us greatly.

Can you tell what is wrong with your answer? I am sure you can find it as it's not that difficult.

I asked you if there is any evidence the Universes was created by an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient God, as you claimed. Your answer: any evidence it wasn't?

Now change God with an invisible giant space unicorn. Is your answer still the same?

You do understand where the burden of proof is.

Ok, so Jesus said those who believe but did not see have the greatest faith. Believe in him and love your neighbors is not Jihadism.

You don't have to believe in the supernatural forces or Jesus as the son of God so to be a decent human being. You can be good to others with ot without religious beliefs.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

As one can choose to walk a path or not, I would say that the freedom of choice is still there.

However, an omniscient and omnipotent God absolutely controls the Universe, without question. Imagine the level of care and concern to grant free will under such circumstance.

Any evidence the Universe is controlled by an omnipotent and omniscient God (presumably the God of the Old Testament).

Any evidence it isn't?

We have freedom of choice and it's not absolute or without any limits.

Some people seem to believe anything less than total anarchy is not freedom. Of course there are limits even physics, lack of foresight, and circumstance, limit us greatly.

Can you tell what is wrong with your answer? I am sure you can find it as it's not that difficult.

I asked you if there is any evidence the Universes was created by an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient God, as you claimed. Your answer: any evidence it wasn't?

Now change God with an invisible giant space unicorn. Is your answer still the same?

You do understand where the burden of proof is.

I do understand where the burden of proof is.

I was pointing out that both sides cite their absence of proof, as proof. That isn't the way it works.

The burden of proof depends entirely upon the way you ask the question. Because both cases are making claims, one positive, and one negative. They have equal burden of proof.

The truth is, that if you don't have any proof, on either side, you cannot really make a rational determination.

But in my case, I do have circumstantial and subjective proofs, at least. And to me, in my position, that is more than nothing.

For instance, the existence of the universe in the way it is and with the variety and complexity that it has, means that there has to be some sort of ordering and complexifying principal. Why doesn't the universe settle into a singular lowest energy state? Something totally counter to entropy and mathematical islands of stability must be going on? So what is that? How would you describe that? There's not nothing there, there is 'something amazing' there.

No, you know this isn't true.
People who are skeptical and guided by evidence point out the simple fact that there is no evidence for the claims made about the supernatural world and so in the absence of any evidence these claims are dismissed for the time being. If evidence is presented in the future then it needs to be examined to see if it's valid.

Let's not go to cosmology or physics because religious people always get it wrong by asserting supernatural forces as the cause of its existence. Same has happened in other threads on the same topic (universe) or topics like evolution. All of these arguments are what we call arguments from ignorance when religionists assert God as the cause because the opposite hasn't been proven and without realising there is no evidence for the existence of this supernatural cause. In real terms all physical and biochemical processes have natural causes and there is none that we know of having supernatural causes.

originally posted by: chr0naut
Any evidence it isn't?

Prove a negative? Is that how it works?

So, I should be able to say, chr0naut is a child abuser and murderer. So you get arrested and charged for murder and and it's not up to me to prove it's true. It's up to YOu to prove it isn't. Does that seem reasonable? Rational? Logical? Normal?

Yeh, me neither.

originally posted by: NoOneButMeAgain

originally posted by: chr0naut
Any evidence it isn't?

Prove a negative? Is that how it works?

So, I should be able to say, chr0naut is a child abuser and murderer. So you get arrested and charged for murder and and it's not up to me to prove it's true. It's up to YOu to prove it isn't. Does that seem reasonable? Rational? Logical? Normal?

Yeh, me neither.

Exactly what I said.
Religious people often ask you on these threads to prove a negative and this is worrying.

the 'World Paradigm' the 'creator God made' is a subset of the Material/Practical reality we know as 'Life'

'Adamic humanity' is governed by faith/belief/Bible prophecies ... the preexisting, evolved, classes of humans which were not offspring of the 'Adamic line' are not part-of-that-group created by The 'Word' ... so the blessings/gospels of Israeli or Christians have very residual effect on the 'great un-saved' of this reality

the triune godhead is locked in a repeated cycle of global Armageddon, Catastrophes

Thanks for the replies. They all deviate from my planned response. Shows how lousy I am at playing God.

The sentiments I find offensive are Jesus playing God, or Jesus being God’s gatekeeper.

I think it is a true statement, that nobody can see the face of God and live. Why? Because it makes that person an accomplice to mass murder. God would have to find a way to get rid of his witness.

Now my planned response focuses on Ezekiel 33. That shows how the “Son of Man” ought to act.

Ezekiel chapter 33 clearly states the “Son of Man” is supposed to protect his fellow Man from God, not lead Man to God, like a moth to a flame.

God sends the “Sword” upon Man. The “Son of Man” is supposed to warn Man of this threat.

God did tell Man, “Do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil” and then to, “Throw out your hand, if you want to live forever.” Those were the first 2 commandments in The Book of Genesis.

This was a veiled confession which can simply translate to: DON’T MASTURBATE.

I tell you, Man, you are allowing bugz to mine your body for coal every time you literally defile yourself by having an orgasm.

A true prophet does not withhold this life sucking information from Man. That is major medical negligence. That would be supremely irresponsible.

Also, guarding this information as your own, so you can be some supreme cult leader, is a shameful power trip.

As prophecied in Ezekiel 33, God will or has held Jesus Christ accountable for the death of billions of Man, for his medical negligence, and power trip.

Do you really think God is your friend, Man? Highly doubtful. You are just a battery to God.

But now you know, Man, how to get God off your back. At least I’m pretty sure I know.

Surely you scoff, but how many adults can honestly say they have quit having orgasms for many years, and NEVER plan to EVER again experience, “La Petit Mort?” Since there aren’t any adults who can honestly claim that, to scoff at my claim would be, at best, scientifically dishonest, and at worst, psychopathic.

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

Without understanding how you're interpreting this verse, it's tough to make an argument.

To me it says: 'God gave his only begotten to save man, if you think you can save yourself, you are spitting in the face of God and therefore unable to be saved.'

Which seems, obviously true to me.

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

This was a veiled confession which can simply translate to: DON’T MASTURBATE.

What? Lol.

Can't say I've ever once heard this interpretation. It makes zero sense.

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

You have the choice to believe or not believe.
Twisting and contorting what’s written in the Bible is an abomination though.

You either have faith or Pascal’s wager.
Choose wisely.
Good luck, you can do it.👍

Allow me a moment please,
I was raised Catholic and got in and out of the Bible over the years. Im now 63 and retired from Raytheon Aerospace Engineering.
In my engineering career I came across absolutes in mathematics that absolutely proved an intelligent design to the order of physics. When you dig into cosmological constants that give rise to planetary systems such as flora, fauna, water, weather, oceans, evaporation cycles etc… you find out if the Earth was just 1605 miles closer to the sun in its orbit, we would not have the wonderful climate that we enjoy today. If the Earth was just 2156 miles further out in its orbit we would loose our weather ability of oceanic evaporation thereby causing chaos in our weather patterns. A perfect planet held in a perfect orbit to give us humans a wonderful.
My 2 cents

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a reply to: Justoneman

"Love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18)

John 14:6 "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

I personally don't see John 14:6 as prophetic but a somewhat cryptic warning that the gate to life cannot be entered by mind. The "I AM" being the "WAY to LIFE". Most of us don't realize we have two natures. The "I AM" is given to us by the spiritual whereas the "thinking mind" derives from the material. To become spiritual one must exist in the "I AM". By overcoming the obsession of existing as and in the thinking mind. The "I AM" spiritual nature is the pure essence of what many label as God - Exodus 3.14 "I AM THAT I AM".