Is John 14:6 The Most Blatant Example of False Prophecy?

Is John 14:6, Just Wrong, specifically the sentiments, “I’m you’re only path to God,” which Jesus tells his followers?

I do have a response to support my assertion, but I want to give readers the chance to reply first, to debate my assertion, or agree.

The only debate I want to preempt at this moment, are to those who might say, this verse isn’t even a prophecy.

I view prophecy as divine instruction from God. I think it is evil to view a prophecy as God predicting the future. If you think that God can predict the future with precision, it is my position, you are basically asserting, that God is absolutely controlling Man, like some kind of automaton, who has no ability to make choices. That is a very bleak outlook and I oppose that position too.

I look forward to the replies, but I will try to wait 24 hours to check back on this thread.

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

As one can choose to walk a path or not, I would say that the freedom of choice is still there.

However, an omniscient and omnipotent God absolutely controls the Universe, without question. Imagine the level of care and concern to grant free will under such circumstance.

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie


Old Testament

Thou shalt have no other gods before me

New Testament

I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Old Testament

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

God is not bound by time. He does not predict the future. He already knows how things are going to happen because he has already experienced it.

Even some scientists theorize that time doesn't exist. They say time is only an illusion.

As to your question about Jesus is the only way to God. That is up to each person to decide, but if you believe in the Bible that is what it says, so that is how it is. But of course you can believe or not believe whatever you want to because you have freewill.

Has God made exceptions for some people out of His mercy? It's possible, but it's probably not worth gambling on Him to make an exception for you since you clearly know that is what the Bible says.

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

God foretells from the beginning the finale. But does that mean he foreknows anything or everything? Can he just not manuever things to come out the way he so desires? That is what his name means. Jehovah comes from the Hebrew verb hawah which means to cause, and the name itself literally means "He causes to become." A name that could only be claimed by the one true God.

So it is not necessary for God to know all things or for him to actually see into the future to fulfill his word and foretell the future, and tell from long ago the things which have not been done. Now can he see all things? I imagine that he can. But he also has the ability to refrain from seeing things as well. You see he is God. And he is not limited by what you and I imagine.

Look at Sodom and Gomorrah. He sent his angels to the city to find out if the outcry against the city was true or not. Why would he have to find out if he already knew?

Finally who knows the mind of God?

You are correct in your understanding of what prophecy is. But it does include foretelling of the future. But like we saw, just because God foretells something is going to happen, that doesn't mean he already knows all the details. He is Jehovah, so he can become and cause anyone to become what-so-ever he chooses to fulfill his good will.


ETA:

I will explain a little further. People think of things in terms of plans many times. You may have a plan to do something. But that plan may fail or be thwarted. When speaking of the outworking of God's good will it would not really be appropriate to say he has a plan, "God's plan." God has his good will and in order to accomplish it he has purposes which can encompass more than just a plan. For example let us say you are setting out in New York City and wan to get from point A to point B. But along the way of your planned route there is a traffic jam because of a car crash or some such and you have to reroute. Well imagine God's route from A to B not as a set course or plan, but that he has full knowledge of all routes and all outcomes and doesn't really concern himself with obstructions along the way because he can immediately change course or adjust in order to reach the destination. And if he so chooses he can even remove the obstacle with ease.

When reading the Bible it is good to look at his prophecies from this vantage point. He has purposes which he will fulfill toward the earth and toward humankind. For example his purpose for the earth is to be inhabited by perfect humankind in a global paradise in peace. When Satan threw a wrench in the works, Jehovah immediately made arrangements, by means of the foretold offspring of Genesis 3:15 to rectify things, and that is really the central theme and the one that every single book of the Bible touches on. And in the end the outcome will be the good will that God originally purposed for humankind and the earth. A world filled with righteous perfect humans living in perfection of life and peaceful conditions in paradise in all the earth by means of the offspring.

God demands worship and threatens everyone if they do not , Satan say's "Come on Barbie let's go party"

God is the only path to God. That is correct. God created all things and is currently generating everything you see and those things you do not see.

In the beginning was the Word (Yeshua), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word was made flesh and tented among us ( in a flesh body)

Did God make us? Yes

Does God have a name? Yes, many, and one name is The Word. Another name is Yeshua. Same being. Self-sustaining, unlike all others.

There are many Gods.

The God of the Bible is the most high.

The reason is he can raise things from the dead.

The rest look like clowns next to him.

Why do American kids learn Greek mythology.

It makes me wonder.

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

5Thomas says to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going; how can we know the way?”

6Jesus says to him, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, if not by Me. 7If you had known Me, you would also have known My Father. From now you know Him, and have seen Him.”

Is Jesus saying "I am the way TO the father"

Or "I am the Way", as in, I am the embodiment of the Way. Do as I do, to know what I know.

Before it was called "Christianity" , it was known as the Cult, or Sect, of The Way, according to Paul.

If, What Jesus was teaching was enlightenment, then he would be referring to the "way" to union with God.

The rest of the chapter is him describing his oneness with the father. Meaning that he was a physical form of the invisible source of creation. It could be said, that we are all physical forms of this invisible Source.

So, was the cult of the Way originally about the Way to oneness with the source of our existence?

Or, was it simply a cult of Jesus worship, as modern Christianity is?

That's how I see it, anyway.

Genesis 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
The image of God in this verse means freewill, not appearance.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Freewill to believe or not.

God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
Such a gift that He gave us freewill.
Does Him knowing what you will do before you even do it, before you were even conceived, change anything?

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

As one can choose to walk a path or not, I would say that the freedom of choice is still there.

However, an omniscient and omnipotent God absolutely controls the Universe, without question. Imagine the level of care and concern to grant free will under such circumstance.

Any evidence the Universe is controlled by an omnipotent and omniscient God (presumably the God of the Old Testament).

We have freedom of choice and it's not absolute or without any limits.

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

No.

The 15 books attributed to Paul are the most blatant false teachings in the Bible.

originally posted by: Vermilion

Genesis 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
The image of God in this verse means freewill, not appearance.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Freewill to believe or not.

God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
Such a gift that He gave us freewill.
Does Him knowing what you will do before you even do it, before you were even conceived, change anything?

Let US create man in OUR image. Ftfy.

So you contend god is all powerful and all knowing and everywhere.

Then why did he need to sacrifice himself?

He could have forgiven everyone's sin without Jesus.

An all perfect being would also be logical and efficient... Which means dying on a cross was completely unnecessary....

You know, since God has the power to make you know he exists, and fall to your knees in fear, awe, love....

Instead, he died on a cross 2000 years ago, and has been testing your faith ever since.

You know who else tests your faith? The adversary.

Saul of Tarsus was in violent opposition of Christianity, then "converted" and preached a message at odds with what the god of Abraham taught.

Meanwhile, the words of Jesus specifically say to watch our for the wolf in sheep's clothing, the tribe of Benjamin is not to be trusted, and to watch out for false prophets....

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

Originally posted by ByeByeAmericanPie
Is John 14:6, Just Wrong, specifically the sentiments, “I’m you’re only path to God,” which Jesus tells his followers?

I personally think that Jesus was teaching Universal Spiritual Truth, that later got turned into a religion.

If the truth of God was not being taught anywhere, and even the Pharisees themselves were shutting the door of the Kingdom of heaven in peoples faces (Matthew 23:13)…And if only one person was speaking “Gods Truth” at that time period…then that person would automatically use the phrase “I am The way etc…” Because everyone else was either walking in darkness, or being kept ignorant by the Pharisees themselves…

“The Way” is also something specific imo…it’s referring to the journey or the path back to the Tree of life, which leads to eternal life.

Genesis 3:24
After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree ...

There’s a good reason why Jesus speaks that verse in that exact order, because “the Way”, is the journey that one begins on their path back to God, which in turn leads to the Truth, and the Truth leads to eternal life…it’s no coincidence that’s it’s spoken in that exact order imo…

Psalm 119
1Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

The blessed that are the undefiled in “the way”, is an exact parallel to verse John 14:21; in that those who Love God keep his Ways/Laws etc…

Simply put “the way” is the path back to God, Jesus describes our return back to God in John 14:20 perfectly…

John 14:20
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

Personally I think Jesus was saying that he was God and knowing him meant you knew the father because they were one. There are various ways you could interpret this from here.

It also stands to reason that if God is omnipotent and effectively in control, or has oversight, over the whole universe, then he has created the devil, Lucifer too and all evil things. Quite something really. Let there be light - where before there was only dark.

Without the option to be evil and do evil things there couldn’t be much in the way of free will I guess. So both sides of the coin have to be. Seems like a very selfless thing to do really as you are allowing people to turn away from you if they choose. That you have shown them a clear and obvious pathway is irrelevant.

originally posted by: ARM19688
Personally I think Jesus was saying that he was God and knowing him meant you knew the father because they were one. There are various ways you could interpret this from here.

It also stands to reason that if God is omnipotent and effectively in control, or has oversight, over the whole universe, then he has created the devil, Lucifer too and all evil things. Quite something really. Let there be light - where before there was only dark.

Without the option to be evil and do evil things there couldn’t be much in the way of free will I guess. So both sides of the coin have to be. Seems like a very selfless thing to do really as you are allowing people to turn away from you if they choose. That you have shown them a clear and obvious pathway is irrelevant.

Imagine a human being claiming in our days that he is the son of God?!

Sheep, Follow my word off the cliff you will be OK at the bottom . That's some Jim Jones stuff /

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie

As one can choose to walk a path or not, I would say that the freedom of choice is still there.

However, an omniscient and omnipotent God absolutely controls the Universe, without question. Imagine the level of care and concern to grant free will under such circumstance.

Any evidence the Universe is controlled by an omnipotent and omniscient God (presumably the God of the Old Testament).

Any evidence it isn't?

We have freedom of choice and it's not absolute or without any limits.

Some people seem to believe anything less than total anarchy is not freedom. Of course there are limits even physics, lack of foresight, and circumstance, limit us greatly.

a reply to: ByeByeAmericanPie
The prospect of being in the kingdom of God where *his presence* originally eminates/*New Jerusalem ain't all there is, there's that subset that disappears from creation making other prospects less desirable.

Taking two to tango is where faith comes in, so ya gotta want it to achieve it.