Donald Trump says he would encourage Russia to attack Nato allies who pay too little

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
People this site often ask why non Americans are so concerned with US politics.

This is why.

You have a serious presidential candidate saying not only would he not support NATO allies, he would encourage Russia.

This would be appalling enough normally but to say it during the invasion by Russia of one of it's neighbours.

Trump is right about one thing, European Countries will need to spend more on defence. The fact the Trump is a possible or even the probable next president shows that they can't trust the US.

Decades of close alliance and support mean nothing.

I feel sorry for the remaining sane US conservatives that this man is now what represents you.

Okay, cool. Now change the channel and show us how Biden is doing. After 10 minutes of that, switch it again and show us Kamala, McConnell, Nikki and just for fun we can throw in Newsom as well. While we're appraising these so called "experts" you can look me in the eye (not literally) and explain why they are qualified to talk Putin down from a ledge and conclude the war in Ukraine for the best interests of ALL parties involved, instead of spinning gold from blood soaked straw.

Do you think they want peace? Do you think they have any interest in reducing the military manufacturing and spending and overseas occupation? And more importantly, do you think they have the negotiation skills to persuade Putin as opposed to having him conveniently neutralized just in time to launch another color revolution so a UN puppet can be installed, fulfilling expansionist prophecy?

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

Good, maybe more people will realise Trumps complete unsuitability for office.

WEEeeee another 4 years of Biden... That's the Ticket!

Was the 4 years under Trump really that bad for you? Your life today is so much better? Seems under Biden the world started to burn all over the place.

What did he do in your eyes that was so wrong during his administration? It seems everything he was trying to do and the left pushed to stop him is biting us in the butt today.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Sounds like the cries of a scared, weak brother when he talks a lot of trash and he finds out his sronger brother isnt gonna be there to protect him from all the people he trash talked


Trump is right. # nato .. if they wont pay to defend themselves then why should america pay in blood and treasure?

Dont like it? Good.

a reply to: Xtrozero

America paying 95% for NATO

Source for 95%?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

And its OK with you that he would encourage the invasion of US allies?

Calm down... I kind of wish people would stop the OMFG! selective outrage every time Trump says something.

So you'd be fine if a US ally Head of State candidate said they'd encourage China or Russia to invade the US?

He said something incredibly stupid and damaging to international relations, where he yet again sucks up to a dictator to screw over long standing allies.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

Good, maybe more people will realise Trumps complete unsuitability for office.

WEEeeee another 4 years of Biden... That's the Ticket!

Was the 4 years under Trump really that bad for you? Your life today is so much better? Seems under Biden the world started to burn all over the place.

What did he do in your eyes that was so wrong during his administration? It seems everything he was trying to do and the left pushed to stop him is biting us in the butt today.

Biden is a truly terrible candidate.

Still can't think of anypont he has said he would support russia invading NATO allies

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
People this site often ask why non Americans are so concerned with US politics.

This is why.

You have a serious presidential candidate saying not only would he not support NATO allies, he would encourage Russia.

This would be appalling enough normally but to say it during the invasion by Russia of one of it's neighbours.

Trump is right about one thing, European Countries will need to spend more on defence. The fact the Trump is a possible or even the probable next president shows that they can't trust the US.

Decades of close alliance and support mean nothing.

I feel sorry for the remaining sane US conservatives that this man is now what represents you.

Okay, cool. Now change the channel and show us how Biden is doing. After 10 minutes of that, switch it again and show us Kamala, McConnell, Nikki and just for fun we can throw in Newsom as well. While we're appraising these so called "experts" you can look me in the eye (not literally) and explain why they are qualified to talk Putin down from a ledge and conclude the war in Ukraine for the best interests of ALL parties involved, instead of spinning gold from blood soaked straw.

Do you think they want peace? Do you think they have any interest in reducing the military manufacturing and spending and overseas occupation? And more importantly, do you think they have the negotiation skills to persuade Putin as opposed to having him conveniently neutralized just in time to launch another color revolution so a UN puppet can be installed, fulfilling expansionist prophecy?

Feel free to share Tumps plan for peace.

originally posted by: Another_Nut
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Sounds like the cries of a scared, weak brother when he talks a lot of trash and he finds out his sronger brother isnt gonna be there to protect him from all the people he trash talked


Trump is right. # nato .. if they wont pay to defend themselves then why should america pay in blood and treasure?

Dont like it? Good.

He isn't just saying he wouldn't support long term allies.

He is saying he would support their invasion.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

Good, maybe more people will realise Trumps complete unsuitability for office.

WEEeeee another 4 years of Biden... That's the Ticket!

Was the 4 years under Trump really that bad for you? Your life today is so much better? Seems under Biden the world started to burn all over the place.

What did he do in your eyes that was so wrong during his administration? It seems everything he was trying to do and the left pushed to stop him is biting us in the butt today.

Biden is a truly terrible candidate.

Still can't think of anypont he has said he would support russia invading NATO allies

That's because he can barely chew gum and walk, much less speculate on foreign military strategy.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
People this site often ask why non Americans are so concerned with US politics.

This is why.

You have a serious presidential candidate saying not only would he not support NATO allies, he would encourage Russia.

This would be appalling enough normally but to say it during the invasion by Russia of one of it's neighbours.

Trump is right about one thing, European Countries will need to spend more on defence. The fact the Trump is a possible or even the probable next president shows that they can't trust the US.

Decades of close alliance and support mean nothing.

I feel sorry for the remaining sane US conservatives that this man is now what represents you.

Okay, cool. Now change the channel and show us how Biden is doing. After 10 minutes of that, switch it again and show us Kamala, McConnell, Nikki and just for fun we can throw in Newsom as well. While we're appraising these so called "experts" you can look me in the eye (not literally) and explain why they are qualified to talk Putin down from a ledge and conclude the war in Ukraine for the best interests of ALL parties involved, instead of spinning gold from blood soaked straw.

Do you think they want peace? Do you think they have any interest in reducing the military manufacturing and spending and overseas occupation? And more importantly, do you think they have the negotiation skills to persuade Putin as opposed to having him conveniently neutralized just in time to launch another color revolution so a UN puppet can be installed, fulfilling expansionist prophecy?

Feel free to share Tumps plan for peace.

Feel free to share Biden's plan for peace. All we're waiting for is Taiwan to get invaded and he's officially sh!t the bed.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Imhere

It's becoming apparent that Trump doesn't understand the historical significance behind WHY nations like Germany aren't paying their way the way Trump thinks they should.

There's seven US garrisons in Europe, five of them in Germany. Their army presence is headquartered in Germany, nearly 40,000 troops are there. The US and NATO actively decided that because of Germanys history, to basicslly neuter them from focus8ng anything on military spending. Why do you think they make such good cars?

Trump can't tell a nation like Germany to pull their own weight, while neglecting to admit that Germany is reliant on the US for protection. So what Trump has been "trolling" or "joking about" Russia attacking these nations so they start ramping up their military spending again, begs the questions, why is he beating the drums of war?

So why has Germany paid 1.4% then, why can't they pay 2%? Back in 2016 only 5 countries out of 31 paid 2% or more, some paying zero or damn close to zero. The US was paying 3.68% of a total greater than all of EU.

Speaking of Germany. The US spends an additional 8 billion for our troops to be there. Germany pays 115 million, and the troops/bases interject 1.2 billion into the local economies.

They can pay 2%% into the nato budget...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Because the US military machine WANTS it that way. That's something Trump doesn't understand.
It's called imperialism.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

Good, maybe more people will realise Trumps complete unsuitability for office.

WEEeeee another 4 years of Biden... That's the Ticket!

Was the 4 years under Trump really that bad for you? Your life today is so much better? Seems under Biden the world started to burn all over the place.

What did he do in your eyes that was so wrong during his administration? It seems everything he was trying to do and the left pushed to stop him is biting us in the butt today.

Biden is a truly terrible candidate.

Still can't think of anypont he has said he would support russia invading NATO allies

That's because he can barely chew gum and walk, much less speculate on foreign military strategy.

I forgot that Trump was such a stunning example of coherence.

As I said both are terrible candidates.

Biden isn't supporting the invasion of allied countries.

Big difference.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yeah, for those US service members and families who live off base, the German real estate agents ensure they get charged the maximum possible rent (a rent Germans would NOT pay for those properties) as well as collecting something like 2.5 times the monthly rent as a fee. Quite the money machine for them.

To be fair: During the Cold War, the (west) Germans near the Iron Curtain were often far more generous in their dealings with US forces because the nearness of the Soviet forces was palpable. But more than 40 kilometers or so away from the Iron Curtain ... it was profiteering to the max. Blame for that goes on both parties as the US forces' housing offices tolerated the games.

Cheers

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
People this site often ask why non Americans are so concerned with US politics.

This is why.

You have a serious presidential candidate saying not only would he not support NATO allies, he would encourage Russia.

This would be appalling enough normally but to say it during the invasion by Russia of one of it's neighbours.

Trump is right about one thing, European Countries will need to spend more on defence. The fact the Trump is a possible or even the probable next president shows that they can't trust the US.

Decades of close alliance and support mean nothing.

I feel sorry for the remaining sane US conservatives that this man is now what represents you.

Okay, cool. Now change the channel and show us how Biden is doing. After 10 minutes of that, switch it again and show us Kamala, McConnell, Nikki and just for fun we can throw in Newsom as well. While we're appraising these so called "experts" you can look me in the eye (not literally) and explain why they are qualified to talk Putin down from a ledge and conclude the war in Ukraine for the best interests of ALL parties involved, instead of spinning gold from blood soaked straw.

Do you think they want peace? Do you think they have any interest in reducing the military manufacturing and spending and overseas occupation? And more importantly, do you think they have the negotiation skills to persuade Putin as opposed to having him conveniently neutralized just in time to launch another color revolution so a UN puppet can be installed, fulfilling expansionist prophecy?

Feel free to share Tumps plan for peace.

Feel free to share Biden's plan for peace. All we're waiting for is Taiwan to get invaded and he's officially sh!t the bed.

I belive Trump is the one who said he could end the conflict with ease.

Any details?

Or is it end the conflict by supporting Russia's invasion.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

Feel free to share Tumps plan for peace.

a reply to: Xtrozero

A closely related topic is the question of why, after ONE THIRD OF A CENTURY since the Fall of the Wall, the wealthy nations of Europe still seem unwilling to get their act together regarding common defense of THEIR continent.

One reason why is that Russia ain't the only European power still operating with a nineteenth-century mentality regarding relations with other European countries.

Cheers

a reply to: watchitburn




NATO Allies went into Afghanistan after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States



Coalition casualties in Afghanistan

So the allies assisted USA then , and people died doing that . That`s what allies usually do , without asking where`s the money .

a reply to: Xtrozero

So his plan is for people to stop dying.

Stable genius.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Xtrozero

A closely related topic is the question of why, after ONE THIRD OF A CENTURY since the Fall of the Wall, the wealthy nations of Europe still seem unwilling to get their act together regarding common defense of THEIR continent.

One reason why is that Russia ain't the only European power still operating with a nineteenth-century mentality regarding relations with other European countries.

Cheers

That's actually an excellent question with a lot of answers.

The US (and UK) has traditionally opposed separate EU defence schemes believing it would undermine NATO.

A general unwillingness to accept Russia would have hostile intentions and could become a stable long term economic partner (particularly in Germany)

Liberal democracies generally like to spend as little as possible on the military.