Donald Trump says he would encourage Russia to attack Nato allies who pay too little

originally posted by: JinMI

Only to flow into the oligarchs in Ukraine?

The 20-year pass is for the 2% to be a part of NATO, the payback is what they will be paying for like 80 years. IDK really, think about a trillion dollars worth of rebuild. I don't think things could be worse even if Russia used nukes.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Infrastructure, dwellings, buildings, shops etc etc can be rebuilt.

Those lives lost aren't coming back. And that's not even to speak of the national separation that has happened within Ukraine itself.

When the smoke clears, Ukraine won't magically erase the corruption that it had going into the war.

a reply to: Xtrozero

LOL
The hyperbole is coming from you. You present Trump's hyperbolic rhetoric, reincforcing the idea that only he can negotiate a deal, and that all he wants to do is "stop people from dying". LOL...You're pretending that Trump actually can saves lives, by unilaterally offering up Donbas to Putin and a NATO membership to Ukraine, as if that was ever even on the table in the first place! It's not.

a reply to: JinMI

Do you mean bilaterally.......? 1+1=2

LOL Is that the best you got?
No, because Trump is the one calling the final shots. It would be HIM fixing everything. Putin couldn't do it without him. Ukraine couldn't do it without him. It would be him, unilaterally offering Putin parts of Ukraine.

Xtro remains consistent in his position in the Ukraine. The fact that your only response to this is again "nu-uh!" proves who exactly is being intellectually dishonest.

Exactly what Xtrozero point do you think I've " "nu-uh!" -ed? Has Trump fixed the Ukraine/Russia problem, stopped the dying, and I didn't know?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

No, because Trump is the one calling the final shots. It would be HIM fixing everything. Putin couldn't do it without him. Ukraine couldn't do it without him. It would be him, unilaterally offering Putin parts of Ukraine.

Exactly what Xtrozero point do you think I've " "nu-uh!" -ed? Has Trump fixed the Ukraine/Russia problem, stopped the dying, and I didn't know?

Appreciate you providing examples of intellectual dishonesty.


You are providing a valuable service.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
The hyperbole is coming from you. You present Trump's hyperbolic rhetoric, reincforcing the idea that only he can negotiate a deal, and that all he wants to do is "stop people from dying". LOL...You're pretending that Trump actually can saves lives, by unilaterally offering up Donbas to Putin and a NATO membership to Ukraine, as if that was ever even on the table in the first place! It's not.

Go back and read your posts... geez

Once again I didn't say anything you are suggesting above, why do you always seem to do that. "the idea that only he can negotiate a deal" I never said this or even suggested anything close to it, but here we are again with you.

Trump was asked what does he want and he said to stop people from dying...that is all there is to it. As far as what I suggested it would stop people dying... And all that was to another poster asking how could Trump stop people from dying... If you don't like it then tell us how it should be done.

There is nothing hyperbolic... You are the queen of hyperbole you should know.

BTW when are you heading to Ukraine to show them how to win...

a reply to: JinMI

Yeah...hypothetically, Trump would be the calling the shots.

Trump said that "HE" could fix the Ukraine problem in one day. He didn't say "we" could fix the problem, Ergo "unilateral".

Appreciate you providing examples of intellectual dishonesty.

Please.
All one has to do with read your interactions with people you have determined to be "leftist"/"liberal" to see true intellectual dishonesty. You and Xtro are masters of distraction, projection and intellectual dishonesty.

originally posted by: JinMI

Appreciate you providing examples of intellectual dishonesty.


You are providing a valuable service.

Sookie is in a rage, nothing she posts now has any value, so I'll back out and let her take the meds or whatever it is.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: JinMI

Appreciate you providing examples of intellectual dishonesty.


You are providing a valuable service.

Sookie is in a rage, nothing she posts now has any value, so I'll back out and let her take the meds or whatever it is.

More quality intellect?

It isn't Sookie who's backing out.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Once again I didn't say anything you are suggesting above

Yeah, ya did. You said

If Trump came into office and told Ukraine they needed to give up Donbas or all support would stop, and then told Russia that is their option or the US will get even more involved I think by day 2 of his administration the war would be over.

Right after you posted this little gem

originally posted by: Annee

More quality intellect?

It isn't Sookie who's backing out.

I'm missing your point. Is there a contest on who can rage the longest?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: JinMI

Appreciate you providing examples of intellectual dishonesty.


You are providing a valuable service.

Sookie is in a rage, nothing she posts now has any value, so I'll back out and let her take the meds or whatever it is.

It's her way.

When she runs out of rope she tries to change the argument.

If it weren't for names on the side, I couldn't tell Sookie apart from Annee.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I'm an admitted moron.

But I'm glad you think that I'm a master at something that isn't baiting.


Again, appreciate it.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: JinMI

Appreciate you providing examples of intellectual dishonesty.


You are providing a valuable service.

Sookie is in a rage, nothing she posts now has any value, so I'll back out and let her take the meds or whatever it is.

More quality intellect?

It isn't Sookie who's backing out.

And he says I'm the hyperbolic one! LOL

You can't make this stuff up!

a reply to: JinMI

Great. So we can get back to my original point, which was, the fight against tyranny and fascism isn't a conservative or a liberal notion, and somethings are worth dying for. A question of a living in a free state versus a fascist state is not a political question, it's a question of values.

Trump can't negotiate a deal in Ukraine that doesn't betray our alliance with Ukraine, NATO and the EU. And you've presented absolutely no evidence that the USA and EU want a unstable Ukraine.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

If Trump came into office and told Ukraine they needed to give up Donbas or all support would stop, and then told Russia that is their option or the US will get even more involved I think by day 2 of his administration the war would be over.

We are talking about Trump, right? We are also talking about what he might do, right?

No one is talking about what you said "that only he can negotiate a deal". No one is even suggesting that "only" he can do it. Would you like to talk about what Biden would do, or Harris? Start an OP on that and we can join in.

Then we have this gem of pure intellect...

Should people be willing to give up their country, their way of life and their freedom so that "people stop dying"

Fight to the death, right? You are rather free in telling others they should die. You do know about 500k or more have already died.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: JinMI

Appreciate you providing examples of intellectual dishonesty.


You are providing a valuable service.

Sookie is in a rage, nothing she posts now has any value, so I'll back out and let her take the meds or whatever it is.

More quality intellect?

It isn't Sookie who's backing out.

And he says I'm the hyperbolic one! LOL

You can't make this stuff up!

Seriously -- it's Fantasy Land when it comes to Trump.

Facts don't bend or do loop-to-loops.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JinMI

Great. So we can get back to my original point, which was, the fight against tyranny and fascism isn't a conservative or a liberal notion, and somethings are worth dying for. A question of a living in a free state versus a fascist state is not a political question, it's a question of values.

Trump can't negotiate a deal in Ukraine that doesn't betray our alliance with Ukraine, NATO and the EU. And you've presented absolutely no evidence that the USA and EU want a unstable Ukraine.

Does Israel also deserve our funding?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: JinMI

Appreciate you providing examples of intellectual dishonesty.


You are providing a valuable service.

Sookie is in a rage, nothing she posts now has any value, so I'll back out and let her take the meds or whatever it is.

More quality intellect?

It isn't Sookie who's backing out.

And he says I'm the hyperbolic one! LOL

You can't make this stuff up!

Seriously -- it's Fantasy Land when it comes to Trump.

Facts don't bend or do loop-to-loops.

The most coherent thing you've posted in a very long time.

...just not for the reasons you think.

It seems like Trump is beyond reproach no matter what is said or done. It must be nice to truly believe someone is always right and virtuous.