Hind Rajab, 6, found dead in Gaza days after phone calls for help

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Even the MSM has a hard time portraying the war without making Israel look like war criminals.

The MSM only have a hard time broadcasting the truth.

But a new find by the Israel Defense Forces is even more troubling – Hamas has been operating a sophisticated data center directly beneath the United Nations Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA), complete with an electrical room, industrial battery power banks, and living quarters for Hamas terrorists overseeing the computer operations.
redstate.com...

CNN NBC CBS MSNBC where you at?
We know why.
It’s amazing that they just cannot ever call out a terrorist organization like Hamas when they continue to their barbaric war crimes.
No hostages no peace should be the headline of every media outlet and protestor concerned about the war over there.

originally posted by: [DBCowboy[/post]

Are you all too young to remember what war is? Don't they teach this stuff anymore?

People die.

Innocent people die.

Name me one war where that didn't happen.

Just one.

Get real, say the truth.
This is NOT A WAR.
jewish MILITARY murdering UNARMED NON-JEWISH CIVILIANS
is not a war.
This in fact is a holocaust-massacre happening
NOW RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES
Give the Pals arms and a military, ONLY THEN you
can call it a war.
War is between two armies, this is not.
btw
no one is denying a home for the jews,
jews have freedom.
Expansionism, apartheid, is the problem.
ONE LAW FOR ALL,
same laws regardless if you are
Christian, Muslim OR Jew.
Can you handle that ?

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The israel state see's hostages as collateral pawns,
and nothing else.
Stupid jews don't realise,
that their government, doesn't
give a rats @ss about their own people, but
only wants a continuous land grab,
from all it's neighbors.
. . . and u.s.a is nothing but israel's whore,
for land grabs.

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originally posted by: ToneD
no one is denying a home for the jews,

Yes they are.
That was the whole point of the Oct 7 terrorist attack.
That is the whole point of Hamas existing.
That is the whole point of the vast majority of Palestinians supporting Hamas.
"From the River to the Sea, Palestine will soon be Free"
The destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jews.
Hamas and the Palestinians have stated they will not stop until Israel is destroyed.
And they said they are 'coming after treacherous Christianity next'.

Hamas Vows to Repeat October 7 Terrorist Attacks and Bring About the Annihilation of Israel

Hamas Leader Dismisses Civilian Deaths, Says It's Necessary Price To Pay

Original Hamas Charter - Formed for the Destruction of Israel

Shocking New Polling Out of Gaza and the West Bank - Majority of Palestinians Support Hamas Destruction of Israel



Iran Actively Engaged in the Destruction of Israel - Openly calls for it

Turkeys Erdogan Supports Hamas Mission to Destroy Israel, Slams Israel

a reply to: DBCowboy

Are you all too young to remember what war is? Don't they teach this stuff anymore?

No , I'm a bloke from a military family heading for retirement in a few years and I know what war is , what I see being perpetrated by Israel isn't war it's a massacre of innocent people as highlighted in the OP.

Innocent people die.
Name me one war where that didn't happen.
Just one.

Name me one war where over 28,000 innocent people died in the first 4 months.

originally posted by: Hakaiju
Maybe hamas killed their own people to make Israel look bad? Blowing up an ambulance on the way to help an injured child sure would help create more hate.

Wouldn't be the first time they did that.
They blew up 70 'palestinians' fleeing South and tried to blame an Israeli airstrike.
ALSO Gazans Say Hamas Shooting People Trying to Flee South
Hamas doesn't mind the 'palestinian' death count.
In fact, they inflate it - like the fake Israeli air strike on the hospital propaganda story they put out. Their own rocket misfired and fell into a hospital parking lot but they blamed an Israeli airstrike and lied saying 500 people died. Useful idiots in the west bought the story and spread it.

Hamas Leader Dismisses Civilian Deaths, Says It's Necessary Price To Pay

Could be IDF. But also could equally be Hamas doing their thing. Either way, it's Hamas fault. No one would be dead in Gaza if they, and the Palestinians who support them, hadn't attacked Israel on Oct 7, mass murdered 1200 people, mass raped and mutilated men and women, burned families alive, tortured and killed innocent people including children, and taken 240 people hostage.

originally posted by: gortex
Name me one war where over 28,000 innocent people died in the first 4 months.

... says Hamas.
Could be 28,000 innocent people.
Could be 28,000 Hamas and Hamas supporters.
Could be a lot less than 28,000 people. Hamas lies.
NONE of them would be dead if Hamas and the Palestinians hadn't attacked Israel.
It's their fault. No one else's.

a reply to: FlyersFan

British medical journal The Lancet took a look at the figures and deduced they are consistent with other sources , they also highlighted the fact the death count is likely to be higher than currently reported due to the unrecovered bodies still in the rubble of buildings demolished by Israel.

The Gaza MoH has historically reported accurate mortality data, with discrepancies between MoH reporting and independent United Nations analyses ranging from 1·5% to 3·8% in previous conflicts. A comparison between the Gaza MoH and Israeli Foreign Ministry mortality figures for the 2014 war yielded an 8·0% discrepancy.2 Public scepticism of the current reports by the Gaza MoH might undermine the efforts to reduce civilian harm and provide life-saving assistance.
Using publicly available information,3, 4 we compared the Gaza MoH's mortality reports with a separate source of mortality reporting and found no evidence of inflated rates.
www.thelancet.com...(23)02713-7/fulltext

But you are welcome to keep repeating your mantra if it makes you feel better about what it is you are supporting.

a reply to: gortex

You have posted that magazine information previously. And you are welcome to believe it if you wish. The facts are that Hamas has a history of lying and inflating numbers of dead, that they do not differentiate between civilian deaths and terrorist deaths, and that the war zone is impossible to be able to count the dead in. The true death count will never be known. And ANY deaths is the fault of Hamas and the Palestinians who support them. None of this would be happening if Hamas and the Palestinians hadn't attacked Israel on Oct 7, slaughtered 1200 people, mass raped and tortured and mutilated people, and taken 240 people hostage, half of them still being held hostage.

a reply to: FlyersFan

So if Israel ends up killing all 2 million Gazans they bear no responsibility for their actions?

originally posted by: gortex
Name me one war where over 28,000 innocent people died in the first 4 months.

Civilian deaths are not counted on a month by month basis. It is 5:30 in the morning and I'm not going to average out the number of civilian dead per month. But I'm sure it's rather high. Just a few wars for you to do your math with ...

2,000,000 Civilian Dead Vietnam War

527 Thousand Civilian War Dead, 800 Thousand Missing - Korean War

WWII Estimate 50 Million Civilian Dead

4.7 Million Civilians Dead in post 9/11 War Zones

Iraq War - Up to 1 Million Civilian Deaths Estimated

World War I Civilian Deaths - Estimated 6 million

Iran/Iraq War estimated 2 million dead
** NOTE - 100,000 Kurds killed by Iraq in 1988 alone

Statistics - Death Rates Around the World in Armed Conflicts

National Library of Medicine - Estimating the Number of Civilian Casualties in Modern Armed Conflict

AND that '28,000 innocent people' statement of yours is not true. We don't know how many are dead. We don't know how many of the dead are Hamas terrorists and their supporters. Hamas is reporting the numbers and they lie, inflate numbers, and do not distinguish between Hamas terrorists and children. It's all 'palestinian death' to them.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
So if Israel ends up killing all 2 million Gazans they bear no responsibility for their actions?

If Israel wanted to kill all 2 million Gaza's, they'd be dead by now.
Israel has the firepower to do so. Obviously they aren't doing it.
The dead in Gaza are the fault of Hamas and the Palestinians who support them -
which is an overwhelming majority.
THEY attacked Israel.
THEY call for more attacks until Israel is destroyed and the Jews genocided.
Their situation is their own fault.

Why is ATS saying this ^ was posted 26 minutes ago ? ?
AI at work
and who really owns this site ? really ?

Funny 70 killed on Salah-al-Din street on Oct 13 everyone cared about until there was no evidence it was Israel, and all evidence pointed to Gaza / Palestine extremists. Or even Hamas.

Funny, people only want justice if it makes Israel look bad.

originally posted by: gortex

This is what Israel's barbarous war sounds like , another frightened child paying the price for being born on the wrong side of the fence.

Or maybe paying for the sins of their leaders?

I miss the good old days of warfare. Like US Forces are not above the horrors of war. The fire bombing of Japanese cities and Dresden comes to mind. I'm willing to bet a helluva lot more 'Mai Li massacres' happened than the one we know of. Maybe if we did away with the notion of avoiding 'collateral damage' and allowed the ruthlessness of war to occur, we would not be so quick as a species to conduct war. At the end of the day, all military forces reflect their societies and culture and all societies and cultures have sociopaths, psychopaths, rapist and murderers and so on.

a reply to: vance2

War isn't supposed to be nice or clean or sanitary or equitable.

War is supposed to be ugly, brutal and a last resort when peace is no longer obtainable.

originally posted by:ToneD
jewish MILITARY murdering
UNARMED NON-JEWISH CIVILIANS
-is not a war.
This in fact is a holocaust-massacre happening.
War is between two armies, this is not.

btw
no one is denying a home for the jews,
jews have all the freedom.

Expansionism, apartheid, is the problem.
ONE LAW FOR ALL,
Same laws regardless if you are
Christian, Muslim OR Jew.
^Can you handle that ?

originally posted by:FlyersFan[/post]

originally posted by:ToneD[/post]
no one is denying a home for the jews,

Yes they are.

you are distorting, deflecting
AND Ignoring this little fact >

FOR ALL the Zionistic supporters out there,
why are you denying Christians, Muslims, Abrahamic
students their equal rights in the holy land ? ? ? !!!

A simple question that zionists avoid.
Avoidance is a form of delusion btw.

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originally posted by: ToneD
you are distorting, deflecting

Nope. I directly addressed your error.
You FALSELY claimed no one was denying a home for the Jews.
I gave proof of just the opposite.
It's you who are distorting and deflecting.

AND Ignoring this little fact

Separate issue and irrelevant to the fact that Hamas and the Palestinians ARE denying a home for the Jews, which is the complete opposite of what you tried to falsely claim. You want to claim that Israel is denying equal rights in Israel? Start a thread on it. THIS thread isn't about that.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
You FALSELY claimed no one was denying a home for the Jews.

Slow down and use your head.
Are jews the homeless ones in the holyland ? ?
Really ?
talk about delusional. (sick)

btw
Deception and Avoidance . . .
FOR ALL the Zionistic supporters out there,
why are you denying Christians, Muslims, Abrahamic
students their equal rights in the holy land ? ? ? !!!

A simple question that zionists avoid.
Avoidance is a form of delusion btw.


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