Tucker Carlson Interviews Vladimir Putin

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Thanks, that`s really deep dive to the whole Tucker-Putin show .


Timothy Snyder also writed about that Tucker-Putin show to he`s substack , quite long also to read .

Putin's genocidal myth

@TimothyDSnyder


I think it`s possible Putin really itself believes the crap ....he lives in he`s own fictional World / alternative reality .

a reply to: Kenzo

Absolutely he believes it.

This is the "KGB Kid" we're discussing. His whole world was Soviet society and his elevated place in it, thanks to his duty in the KGB.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, Vlad's world collapsed. He was, psychologically, back to being that poor, big-eared kid in Leningrad.

Thus, he strove to rebuild a powerful Russia. He is entirely invested in this venture. If it fails, he will go down with it, and will likely not care if all Russia follows him.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


Ok , it`s quite a price for one nation to pay ....because one man mental condition .

It`s not anymore just lost human life`s but also oil / gas incomes ..infrastructure ..etc

Who knows if Chinese decide later to conquer some more land from Siberia , when the Russia is more weaker.

Vladimir Putin has the answer as to why so many American officials visited Ukraine. It has something to do with money laundering back to the LLCs of American officials.. But he's not talking about that yet.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Kenzo

Absolutely he believes it..

I think we would have to go item by item of the topics Putin discussed in the interview.
I think Putin is so invested in his re-written history going back to the 900's AD when neither Russia nor Moscow even existed, that he probably believes his re-written history propaganda.

But when Putin tried to take Kyiv in February 2022 and failed, and suffered military defeat due to failed logistics and other issues, I think he knows that, and that Putin doesn't believe he withdrew his troops from near Kyiv as a sign of goodwill.

Some of what Putin told Tucker Carlson missed the bigger picture. This fills in the gaps

INITIAL FAILURE OF PEACE TALKS

PUTIN’S QUOTE: “As soon as we pulled back our troops from Kyiv, Ukrainian negotiators immediately threw all the agreements reached in Istanbul into the bin and got prepared for a longstanding armed confrontation with the help of the United States and its satellites in Europe.”

THE CONTEXT: Russian and Ukrainian officials negotiated a tentative peace deal in Istanbul in March 2022, a month after the start of the invasion, but it quickly collapsed. While Russia has portrayed the withdrawal of its troops from areas near Kyiv as a sign of goodwill, the Kremlin clearly was forced to retreat due to heavy losses and logistical problems while trying to capture the Ukrainian capital.

I don't think Putin believes he withdrew his troops from the Kyiv area as a sign of goodwill. Putin obviously wanted to take Kyiv and failed, so I think he knows it's propaganda to say what he said to Tucker Carlson, because that's not an accurate description of what happened.

However, it does seem apparent that Putin is somewhat disconnected from reality since he has to rely on what his commanders tell him about how the battles are going in Ukraine. Putin doesn't internet, so he can't independently see videos of the action filmed by troops on both sides like the rest of us who use the internet can. So if or when Putin's top brass feeds false informatin to Putin about battlefield conditions, Putin may be falling for propaganda that his leadership style creates, directed at him personally. But would Putin have agreed to voluntarily withdraw troops from around Kyiv as a sign of goodwill, when he wanted to take Kyiv? I don't think so.

That link also mentions "de-nazification" of Ukraine, and I think Putin knows this is just propaganda, which by the way doesn't play out as well in global media as it does in Russian media, because in the global media we know the truth is that neo-nazis represent a tiny fraction of Ukraine, and that Russia has a bigger problem with neo-nazis in its own country. So if Russia really wanted to "de-nazify", it could start at home, but obviously this doesn't happen. That link also speaks to the denazification propaganda.

So, those are two examples of Putin's propaganda that I don't think even he believes, but I agree there are other parts of his propaganda that he likely does believe, like his revision of history in his long and wildly inaccurate history lesson.

Thus, he strove to rebuild a powerful Russia. He is entirely invested in this venture. If it fails, he will go down with it, and will likely not care if all Russia follows him.

Russia is already going down, economically. On November 3rd, Putin said Russia is no longer a gas station pretending to be a country. But that's still a huge part of it's economy or was, before sanctions, and now that crude oil sales to India have declined dramatically, and there are problems with the banking relationship with China...those were Russia's two biggest oil customers so when oil sales to them drop off, so follows the Russian economy.

Of course natural gas exports have also fallen since Europe is substituting LNG from other sources, for some of the natural gas they were buying from Russia.

A third part of the economic triad of ruin in Russia in addition to oil and natural gas, is their arms sales, which have fallen, now that the world can see the substandard performance of Russian arms on the battlefield.

originally posted by: WeMustCare
Vladimir Putin has the answer as to why so many American officials visited Ukraine. It has something to do with money laundering back to the LLCs of American officials.. But he's not talking about that yet.

The left and Rhino right doesn't care about this aspect of criminality our US government is involved with, all they know to say are the talking points verbatim the MSM says, then they parrot it and act all angry. Perfect cannon fodder.

originally posted by: nerbot
Enjoy the movie.

However,....

This "movie" can only end well if........ humans stop fighting over nonsense!

And hardly anybody in this topic is trying to find a common ground.

So, it doesn't look good for the future of humanity!




However, I still have hope for us.

I know we can create a better world for all of us - but we really need to start with ourselves - it's the only way.

One little step at a time is good enough.

originally posted by: PrivateAngel
This "movie" can only end well if........ humans stop fighting over nonsense!

When someone else invades your country, and tries to exterminate your country's language, culture, and very existence, do you really think defending all that is nonsense? Is all of that not worth defending?

And hardly anybody in this topic is trying to find a common ground.

So, it doesn't look good for the future of humanity!

One of the "disagreements" about what Putin claimed in the interview is that Ukraine refused to cooperate with Russia in negotiations. What Ukraine really said is that they refuse to negotiate with Putin who they can't trust to adhere to any negotiated agreements. Ukraine already had an agreement with Russia, that if it gave all its nukes to Russia, that Russia would not attack Ukraine.

So they had some common ground, and a written agreement called the Budapest Memorandum that Russia would not attack Ukraine. Ukraine now regrets giving all their nukes to Russia, because they had the 3rd largest nuclear stockpile in the world before they did that, and that might have been enough to prevent Russia's invasion. But Russia made an agreement to not invade Ukraine.

All that was necessary here to prevent this conflict from ever occurring was for Putin and Russia to honor that agreement. It was Putin who broke it, and that's just one example of many of how Putin cannot be trusted to honor any agreement. Putin and his staff even denied they were going to invade Ukraine in the weeks leading up to the invasion, so we really can't believe anything Putin says, which is why trying to negotiate with him is a fool's errand, and people suggesting that therefore sound foolish in making that suggestion.

Ukraine is willing to negotiate with Russia, as long as someone else besides Putin in running the country, preferably someone who can have some trust to honor their agreements, which Putin cannot be trusted to do.

I heard one commentator say it's just semantics to say Ukraine refuses to negotiate with Putin but not with Russia, because for now Putin IS Russia. But it's not just semantics; it highlights the foolishness of trying to negotiate with someone will say whatever they want and then break any negotiated agreements whenever they feel like it, which is Putin's history.

Unfortunately for the rest of the world, Putin has a mindset that seems to be stuck in the Soviet Union and he longs for the soviet union to return. He's already bringing it back inside Russia, did you see the soviet-style gasoline and diesel shortages Russia has had recently?

How is it possible for an oil-producing giant like Russia to suffer from a lack of fuel?

It's like the soviet union is coming back inside Russia, because the soviet union also had a lot of fuel shortages like that, despite haveing a huge surplus of crude oil reserves. But worse than that. Putin and his cronies have threatened to use nukes, though China admonished Russia to tone down that rhetoric, and it seems like they have.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I'm not sure blaming Russian fuel crises to some action of the government is fair. It's simply lack of funding because Ukraine and sanctions. This war is costing russia so much its domestic side is suffering as everyone funnels money to the military.

Now what I wanted to talk about negotiating a cease fire. First people forget there was attempts made in fact apparently Russia tried to poison negotiators. Not enough to kill them just make them sick weird negotiations tactic. But it had the results of the negotiations stopping. And I don't think anyone wants to visit Moscow again foe future negotiations

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Arbitrageur

I'm not sure blaming Russian fuel crises to some action of the government is fair. It's simply lack of funding because Ukraine and sanctions. This war is costing russia so much its domestic side is suffering as everyone funnels money to the military.

The decision to go to war with Ukraine was an action of the government of Russia, right? So all the resulting consequences are thus caused also by the same government who made that flawed decision, right? Yes Russia doesn't have enough money, which is probably why they cut subsidies to the oil refineries, which is one of the reasons there were shortages.

Another reason, besides the subsidies being cut, is price controls. Economics 101 is that when you institute government price controls instead of allowing market forces to determine price, this can result in shortages. So I don't see how you can deny that the price controls are a contributing factor to the shortages Russia experienced:

Russia faces domestic fuel crunch, braces for more shortages

The state caps the retail prices, ordering the sellers to raise prices of gasoline and diesel only in line with official inflation.

One thing you should remember from your economics course, is that government-imposed price controls can cause shortages. Now that inflation is spiraling in Russia, it would not be at all surprising to see more price controls, on more items. As a result, we might see more shortages caused by those price controls, imposed by the state. So yes the state definitely plays a role by the imposition of price controls, though it's complicated with the oil refineries, and there are other issues at work with those also, like maintenance problems.

Now what I wanted to talk about negotiating a cease fire. First people forget there was attempts made in fact apparently Russia tried to poison negotiators. Not enough to kill them just make them sick weird negotiations tactic. But it had the results of the negotiations stopping. And I don't think anyone wants to visit Moscow again foe future negotiations

At least not while Putin is in charge. And Putin won't let anybody run against him in the election who might stand a chance of winning. The anti-war candidate, Boris Nadezhdin, turned out to have too much popularity so he's not going to be allowed to run, based on a claim that some of the signatures needed for his eligibility are not valid. And other contenders are either in jail or exiled from Russia. Navalny was poisoned, but he survived the murder attempt, then when he returned to Russia, he was jailed, and possibly poisoned again in jail, or maybe is still having health issues from his prior poisoning.

“I think your Carlson – I say yours, since he’s a member of your profession – is a dangerous man,” Putin told journalist Pavel Zarubin on the sidelines of the Future Technologies Forum in Moscow.

Tucker going to be un-a-lived .........

a reply to: Ravenwatcher
Did anybody notice the expression on Carlson's face during most of the interview?
He was almost glaring at Putin when Putin kept going on about history back to 900 AD when Carlson was asking why Putin chose 2022 for his invasion of Ukraine. Putin seemed completely unfazed by the glare and stretched his "30 seconds" history lesson to 30 minutes. But, maybe Putin wasn't unfazed by Carlson's glare after all, he just didn't let it show during the interview?

Maybe Carlson is lucky Putin didn't arrest him for spying and throw him in Russian prison like he did the other journalist that Carlson asked to bring back with him.

Russian President Vladimir Putin openly expressed his preference for President Joe Biden as a better choice for the White House than former President Donald Trump. During a recent interview, he indicated that it would be easier for Russia to deal with Washington with Biden in the Oval Office and downplayed concerns about the president’s age and mental acuity.
redstate.com... 36

Honestly not surprising.
Biden and his incompetents are totally predictable and easier to push around.
I wonder how the left will try to spin this.
Not good for Biden no matter what. 🤣

Comrade Carlsson interview ..

Putin Says He Was Not Impressed by Tucker Carlson

“Sincerely speaking, I didn’t fully enjoy this interview,” the Russian leader said this week.

originally posted by: nerbot
OK folks, here you go. I thought this would deserve it's own thread.

127 minutes long and recorded 06/02/2024

The Interview

Some Perspective: gettr.com... for critics.

originally posted by: WeMustCare
Vladimir Putin has the answer as to why so many American officials visited Ukraine. It has something to do with money laundering back to the LLCs of American officials.. But he's not talking about that yet.

Oh , I Think he Hinted to Tucker about a Few Thangs............*)

While most will hate this, WELCOME BACK JOHN STEWART!

I missed his "both sides-ism"



Never thought I would watch The Daily Show again after the last long term host ran it off a pandering cliff.

I have to agree with most of what John says too.

originally posted by: Degradation33
While most will hate this, WELCOME BACK JOHN STEWART!

I don't know why most would hate it. I was never a regular viewer of the Daily Show, but the few episodes I saw I thought were clever and entertaining, as was that episode you posted about Tucker Carlson.

I have to agree with most of what John says too.

Stewart mixed satire with honest assessment, so the viewer has to figure out which is which. When is he being serious, and when is he being sarcastic? Once that's sorted, I found it diffucult to disagree with any of his points. I especially liked his description of the expression on Carlson's face as resembling "irregularity", when Putin said the Germans asked Poland to give them territory and Poland refused, so WWII was really Poland's fault. It's like Carlson knew Putin was feeding him nonsense but he couldn't come right out and say that unless he wanted to end up like the journalist he was trying to get Putin to free.

The real question is why are there people in America,
criticizing Tucker's right as a journalist to interview Putin?

Maybe because it does not fit the Ukraine narrative
the west is trying to portray in the media?

Is not this the same as the censorship of doctor's
and scientists questioning the safety of the covid vaxx,

that we know now has injured and killed millions worldwide?

Where there are secrets there is no freedom,
where there is no freedom there is no justice.